The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
I can do hope and justice, but how do I get a cat in my heart?
Imma gonna put one in my stomach, and hope it’s close enough.
Prostitution is illegal most everywhere moron.
yeah, that seems to have stopped it completely.
Shit, didn’t what Beth suggested occur in “Firefly”? If anything, that’s an awesome scenario, and there was a woman leading the whole thing.
“It was not just the first wavers who saw to it EW.
More than one jackass male in a pulpit denounced human sexuality because he thought girls were icky and led the way to outlaw prostitution.
Which I think is a perfectly acceptable thing as long as it is not being exploitative of either gender. In fact, I think it would help a lot of people out.”
So then what do you suppose is the reason for prostitution (the buying end in this case) being outlawed in Sweden? Or the banning of porn in Iceland?
A model feminist state is hardly the place to expect bible thumping jackass dudes to pull much weight.
Shall I tell you what the reason is?
It’s because when females age and start loosing their looks they become jealous of younger, prettier females.
They then do everything in their power to keep men from having sexual access to younger females.
Just as men do everything they can to hamstring other men in their quest for tail so too do women do to other women.
IF you’re one of the young and attractive (I doubt) then you are on the wrong side of the fence.
Everything’s a power struggle to you, isn’t it, EWME?
“Prostitution is illegal most everywhere moron.”
That may be, assmunch, but the fact remains that for a lot of your ilk, what’s a little illegality when you can get laid, which just the bare act lone seems to be your reason d’etre?
Wouldn’t the MRAS rather go to a hooker who gets paid to put up with you; no muss, no fuss, none of that icky having to get to know someone?
Or are you just completely cheap?
EW, re: women losing looks and being jealous, hence controlling the sex supply like some Vagina Cartel, are you fucking serious?
Just as men do everything they can to hamstring other men in their quest for tail so too do women do to other women.
Doesn’t the concept of the wingman fly in the face of this assertion?
“Doesn’t the concept of the wingman fly in the face of this assertion?”
Well, LVVS- No doy, men can work together in a team like that. They developed that skill through evolution while hunting mammoths.
Man, that Pussy Cartel just has its tentacles in everything, doesn’t it?
Everything’s a power struggle to you, isn’t it, EWME?
He operates on the assumption that everyone is just as depraved as he is.
Evil White Mal Empire, those are some interesting assertions you’re making regarding when prostitution has been criminalized, why for different jurisdictions why it’s been criminalized. I’m sure you have proper scholarly links to back up these assertions, correct?
I’m also sure you have the scholarly research to prove that human trafficking and the exploitation of poor women doesn’t happen, or that it does and the only reason feminists could possibly be against prostitution is that we’re jealous that we’re not being trafficked and exploited.
It’s a sad, sick little delusional world you live in. That much anger and hatred couldn’t possibly be good for you.
Really? Citation needed.
I mean, here I am being all feminist and woman-y and refusing to speak for all women. RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU!
But don’t worry, I’m sure your response will be to call me fat, dikey, and slutty. Live the dream.
It’s a terrible world that EWME lives in, where men are continuously hamstringing other men and women are hamstringing other women in order for a chance to have sex with someone they don’t even like very much.
I don’t believe being gay is a choice, but if the world worked the way EWME says it does, I’d give being a lesbian my best shot.
Captain Bathrobe, you have no idea the power the Pussy Cartel wields. I could tell you, but they’d kick me out and then I’d have to kill ya.
“Prostitution is illegal most everywhere moron.” –EW
So are rape and harassment. What’s your point?
But don’t worry, I’m sure your response will be to call me fat, dikey, and slutty. Live the dream. –amandajane5
Ugly. You forgot ugly.
And hairy! I must be losing it!
EW-you suffer from the same problem that NWOaf suffers from. In this case, you seem to have no clue why pornography is banned in Iceland-the people there do not like exploitation of women. I know, SHOCKING to want to prevent women from being anything more then receptacles of semen. How dare they actually expect to have all women treated with respect and not forced into prostitution.
I bet all the men are miserable and die young. Oh wait, no.
I also noticed you ignored the vast history of men who have tried to ban prostitution because of their own moral views. Because apparently the only people who ever try to ban something like prostitution are women trying to protect other women from being harmed.
Jesus Christ, what’s the problem? Men have needs, and if they must be sated with woman who they personally dislike, that is undesirable but better than abstinence. That’s all they’re saying.
Men have needs, and if they must be sated with woman who they personally dislike, that is undesirable but better than abstinence.
What about a woman’s need to be treated like an actual person; and her desire to only have sex with people who at least like her & respect her and don’t use her genitals as terms of insult?
And it’s not ‘personally dislike.’ That phrase means that you’ve gotten to know someone one-on-one and have decided that there’s some aspect of their personality that you don’t particularly care for. The correct word you’re looking for, which means ‘disliking an entire gender because of baseless bigotry and stereotypical assumptions’ is misogyny
Why would you want to have sex with someone you dislike/hate MRAL? Moreover, why would you lie to just get laid with that person you dislike/hate?
Also, is this woman unattractive to you?
wtf? The guy here was clearly talking about women who he personally dislikes, and made no comments about the gender as a whole.
Finally, a woman can choose who she has sex with, that doesn’t mean she gets to control her partner’s private thoughts, much as the feminist thought police would like to believe otherwise.
Posterformerly, the physical pleasure, obviously. It’s not ideal but if I was unable to get a relationship with someone I valued, you bet your ass I’d take sex with some idiot over nothing.
No, actually, he’s talking about women as a whole, and what a drag it is that you have to actually convince them to have sex with you, and that they might say ‘no’ if they realize what an asshole you are and how much you hate them.
If “men have needs,” then they can always masturbate. There’s no need to involve another person in your masturbation. If you’re looking for SEX rather than masturbation then you should have sex with someone you like. Otherwise you’re just treating your sex partner like an extension of your masturbating hand.
Entitlement at its finest: “I want to ejaculate but I’m too lazy to use my own hand, so you better do it for me, even though I despise you.” No thanks.