The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
@Ami
I have sketchbooks filled with drawings of women’s clothing, so I’m definitely not the most neutral person to answer your question. However, yeah.
@Slavey
At home, I’m a slob. When I go out in public, I dress up. If it’s anything other than seeing immediate family or going to the doctor’s/dentist/whatever, I’ll put on a suit (or at least a tie and a jacket).
I like the aesthetics of nice clothes, and I feel better – more comfortable, even – dressing in a way that matches my aesthetic tastes. I don’t do it to impress women (if that was it, I’d have given up a long time ago because it sure as Hell ain’t working). I do it because it’s fun and makes me feel better.
I’m sure some women occasionally dress up to impress others sexually. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, but I assume it’s not the primary reason for most women (and men) who like to dress up. They do it because they like it.
@Katz NWO can’t respond to me b/c then he’d be admitting he reads what I write xD And he got put on a tilt enuf last time he did that xDDD It’s all part of the game xD
a poster for the Enchanted Tiki Room at Disneyland for the tiki bar/office I’m planning to build in the back yard.
Psycho Suzie’s Motor Lounge.
wow, I did NOT want to leave there.
Allow me to predict NWoaf’s response:
“LIES! LIES! YOU’RE ALL LYING! WOMEN ONLY DRESS SEXY BECAUSE THE LIKE TO TEASE POOR INNOCENT MEN WITH THEIR DEVILISH SEXINESS! THEY ALWAYS EXPLOIT POOR INNOCENT MEN WITH THEIR SEXES AND STEAL THE MEN’S MONEY! YOU ARE ALL LYING! I KNOW THE TRUTH, YOU WILL NEVER CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE!!!?!”
Seriously, can we stop taking this asshole’s idiocy seriously now? He’s just trying to trap an imaginary feminist into saying something that contradict’s NWOaf’s imaginary version of feminism and then he’ll be like “AH HAH!! I knew it all along, secretly you want to go back to the 50s, be dependent on a man whom you manipulate with your pussy, and find personal fulfillment through the changing of diapers and the vacuuming of rugs!!”
Got anything more original than that Oaf?
Sorry about the bold tag there.
Hmm, so NWO, looks like you got a lot of answers, so much for that complaint. Do you want to go get one of those articles about how all men are evil icky slugs now? Seriously, I wanna see these for myself now. Sadly my googling skills are no match for your ass (where you seem to find all the articles you could desire).
People here seems to be confirming what I thought was a fairly universal rule:
The person in the relationship who has expendable income pays.
Thus, if one person is employed and the other is unemployed or a student, the employed one pays. If they’re both unemployed or both students, they split. If they have similar incomes, they split. If one person has a much higher income, that person pays.
As for me, I have a joint bank account. It’s moot.
Shaenon
First of all you obviously knew I wasn’t talking about birthdays and such. Poor debating tactic, feigning ignorance.
You’ve admitted (only once that you can recall) to recieving money/goods from a man.
Since it will always be a man asking a woman out (a woman flirts with a man to get his attention). The man will pay.
I have never gotten a gift from a woman, (other than an occasion since you’re playing that game). Can’t be a whore because i took no gift, part two of your question makes no sense because I also can’t be a user if I accepted no gift.
Your next question makes no sense again, women dress to attract attention men don’t. I simply doesn’t do anything because men’s seuality is their words and actions. If i dressed in a thong as women do than perhaps a woman might have reason to object to my attire.
If I had a girlfriend is a stretch of the imagination, sweet. (quite the pedestal you place women upon, as if a womans approval of me is how I am rated as a person). I’ve had more than several g-friends and I’ve actually turned down sex with a few. Again I kinda like that old fashion loyalty thingy. I’m such a backward human being, Stupid slave with his stupid morals.
Such bullshit. I invite you to join me on a bar crawl in my little college town one of these days. There are men who dress for attention and men who don’t. The difference is immediately apparent, as is the difference between the women who are dressing for attention and the women who aren’t.
Gender essentialist bullshit.
Are you going to answer my question? You know the one about why exactly you care about all this, and what your fucking point is?
Given that NWO wants honesty, it’s kinda sad that he doesn’t give it himself w/ his answer to his second question xD
But then again that just means he’d disprove his own unifying theory of everything xDDDD
OOooooooohhhh, she ADMITTED it!! My goodness, NWOaf, have you considered a career in law enforcement? Your interrogation skills are amazing! I mean, getting a woman to ADMIT to accepting a GIFT from a man!! And all the shameful, shameful things that ENTAILS!! My goodness, it’s like she doesn’t even feel any shame about that! She must be depraved or something.
Poor debating tactic, feigning ignorance.
Then why do you use it so much?
How do you dress, NWOslave? I’m really curious about that.
NWO the fact that you conflate docility with loyalty is your hang up.
As for knowing about the fifties, of course I wasn’t there. I’m a fucking millennial. But, you know, my grandparents were there. The older members of my church were there. My parents were there, although they were very young. They can and do provide first hand accounts of what their lives were like.
And I realize that you prefer to glean your world knowledge from conspiracy sites and essays but there have been a great many books written about the fifties on subjects ranging from social justice to sex, to marriage, to economics. There were even books written in the fifties. Seriously, go the library.
1) When I was younger and considerably more broke, I let men buy me drinks. Now, not so much; every once in a blue moon. I’ve got money and I can buy my own drinks. You do know that some men get totally huffy if they offer to buy you a drink and you refuse, right? In the context of a relationship I’ve received gifts, been taken to the movies, out to dinner, etc. But only in the context of a relationship where I can offer full reciprocation. I give my boyfriend gifts, make him dinner, take him to the movies, etc. That’s what it means to be a couple. You do nice things for each other because making the other person happy makes you happy.
2) Now when you say “alone” what exactly do you mean? If I’m in my house, checking my email and having breakfast and coffee, I’m not dressed up because I haven’t showered yet. If I’m going out of the house for work, I’m dressed up. If I’m going out to hang out with my friends, see a movie, have drinks, get dinner I’m dressed more casually than I am for work but depending on what your standards are, you might consider it dressed up. I like clothes and shoes girly shit so I don’t really run around in sweats. I enjoy being well dressed; it’s a form of self-expression. You know, some men really like being well dressed too. The men in my family are a very natty bunch.
I don’t generally wear make up when I’m out running errands or working in the garden. I do feel kind of naked without earrings. My lotion is scented as is my hair oil but I don’t really consider that ornamental.
Define skimpy.
The problem here is that you’re trying to manufacture a universal truth about why women dress the we do and it’s simply not possible. Women are not a monolithic group. Different women dress it different ways for different reasons. Sometimes, some women dress to attract men. Sometimes, some women dress to attract women. Sometimes some women dress to impress other women. Different women, different reasons.
3) I’m attracted to men who are outgoing and gregarious –I’m outgoing and gregarious- and have never had a problem with casual flirting. My boo is a kind of a flirt but so am I so it doesn’t really bother me. His charm is one of the things that attracted me when we met. Once again, people –men and women- are individuals with individual feelings about issues like flirting. There is no one-size-fits-all here.
Why would a man who met me and, ostensibly, started a relationship with me want me to change the way I dress? I think I’m used to men who are a lot more confident than you. No man I’ve ever dated has expressed concern about whether or not I’m attracting attention from other men. Hell, none of my guy friends even talk about shit like that. What kind of man does that?
@ MRAL,
You’re lying. You do hate all women, but you are attracted to “fat chicks.” You want to beat women, even though they DO say hi to you in exactly the way you want. You’re not going to take a temporary break, which is why you won’t be back, because you’re actually not getting tired at all. You won’t be considering anything anyone says either.
This could get really fun, so thank you for being such a fuckwit and calling us liars. I wouldn’t have thought to do this otherwise.
@ Mr. Slave,
1) Have any of you women ever gotten free stuff from men? Drink, movie, meal, jewelry, anything?
No. lol
2) Have any of you ever worn skimpy clothing, make up, perfume, ect? If so why? And don’t tell me to feel good aboout yourselves unless you do these things when you’re alone in equal proportions.
I never makeup except on Hallowe’en. I do wear “skimpy clothing” when the weather’s nice; I like to feel the wind on me. As for perfume, well, I never use deoderant, so…plus I worth with nearly all women. I’m straight, so who exactly am I trying to attract? Oh, and yes, I DO wear the same “skimpy clothing” when I’m alone. I’m an artist and I like the aesthetics of the outfits I come up with.
3) If you’ve had/have a steady boyfriend/husband and he like to talk to other women and flirt would that be ok? If said boyfriend/husband said I don’t want you wearing revealing clothing/make up, ect because it attracts other mens attention, what would you tell him?
My boyfriend of six years has plenty of female friends; I haven’t complained once. I also don’t mind minimal flirting. If he ever told me he didn’t want me “wearing revealing clothing/make up, ect because it attracts other mens attention”, I would tell him flat-out that that’s too fucking bad. Luckily, my boyfriend would never demand such ridiculous thing of me.
No Sallystrange thats about it. Women were always oppressed and men were always oppressors of women.
Fathers didn’t love their daughters ever they just wanted to control their sexuality.
Hubands didn’t love their wives or cared for their safety, they just wanted to rape and beat and oppress them.
Sons didn’t love their mothers they on wanted them as servants.
Brothers didn’t love their sisters they only tolerated them as fuck toys until they moved out to find a wife to fuck and beat.
This is how it has been thruout history. Men have never done one good thing ever. I sure never heard one damn good thing men have done on this site. Hey fathers day is coming up. Why not buy that oppressive bastard a copy of some Kay Horowitz men are shit drivel to show him what a worthless fuck men have always been.
Your next question makes no sense again, women dress to attract attention men don’t.
Tell that to Mystery.
Whoa, wait? Men don’t dress to attract attention? Right. Please explain that to the men who attended college with me.
There’s no rational basis for your assertion whatsoever.
I sure never heard one damn good thing men have done on this site.
How about this site? xD
While we’re at it, what even gives you the RIGHT to pass judgment on something so personal and abstract as another person’s MOTIVATION to put on a particular outfit?
The same thing that gives MRAL the right to decide whether fat women are allowed to have boyfriends, duh.
This one time, this guy asked me out to lunch with him. I said, “I’m dating someone.” He said, “That’s okay.” While we were at lunch, he also bought me an expensive Oktoberfest beer mug. When I was leaving I told him again that I was already seeing someone.
He showed up at my work the next day, wanting to take me to lunch again, and I said no (the conversation at lunch the day before was stilted and boring). He seemed a bit shocked.
Yes, I am the anti-christ. You will all bow before me.
Gahh.. the stupid, it burns us, it burns us!
Mr. Slave: (I really like this nick for some reason 😛 )
Cause of course, only one thing can be true for everyone at one time. Either the 50s was a time of total repression or total loyalty. Either everyone today is a slut or everyone is a proper lady. And you call me impossible to converse with.
NWOslave,
please, I’m genuinely curious about your wardrobe. What do you usually wear?
Wait a minute. Men don’t dress to attract women? Are you serious? Of course they do. They shave and groom themselves and get haircuts and loc maintenance and wear cologne and everything. Not all men dress to attract women in fact some men regard the very notion of trying to dress nicely before going out as an anathema.
But lots of men like to dress well and smell nice because lots of women like that.
Nobinayamu, you just don’t get it. If something is true of one person (especially me) then it is true for everybody of my gender. And whatever I hear first is the truth, no matter what I’m told later; if its true once its true for everything. =_=