The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
@Ami
… hooray?
@NWO:
How do you know that’s the truth? What if someone were honest and didn’t say what you said, does all reality break down in a catastrophic explosion? When you assume the answer to a question before you ask it, be prepared to be very disappointed.
This is ridiculous. I am going to take the advice of some people in the old Supernatural thread and leave Manboobz. I’ll try to improve myself, and see if that changes this. I’ll be back in a few months to report.
You do that. Buh-bye!
OKAY, I hope it’s okay to repost this cuz it just got scrolled right off the screen thanks to greedyquestionattentionwantingpants xD
So…..
B/c nobody noticed amidst the end of the universe alphabet me and Kirby were doing last night, I’ll ask again (and given where I’m asking I might get a wide variety of responses xD )
But to the straight guys here (tho ppl who aren’t straight guys w/ opinions/exp can comment too :3 )
if a guy were rly tired from a late night the day before and just finished work and wanted to go home and sleep, would he go with a girl clothes shopping (esp if he doesn’t like shopping or being in a clothing store filled with girls) and stay with her in the dressing room line and give comments on her clothes, if he didn’t like her? :O (and she didn’t ask)
(that being like like, and not rly good friends)
(this is actually just a question, it has nothing to do with nething going on in this thread :3 )
It occurred to me I could post it on the dance thread too 😮
I dunno how conducive to dancing asking questions is tho xD
Kirbywarp, you’re beyond even conversing with.
Heres a question for you. Pick a mainstream newspaper and read one of the brilliant articles by the women journalists. Ya know one the ones about why men suck so badly. Now they never get fire for the vile hatred spewed from their fingertips. Now if a man in one of these mainstream out would get canned in a heartbeat for saying the same about women. so heres the questions.
1) Why aren’t these women fired?
2) Should a man get fired for spewing the same about women?
3) How much courage do these women have for srewing these opinion pieces about mens multitude of flaws when there is no consequences for their actions?
4) How much courage to men show who have been fired for daring to speak against these women? And many have been fired so its not rhetorical.
Bullshit. Why does it matter to YOU whether a woman is being “honest,” which of course means telling you the answer you expect to hear? Why does it matter to you if she enjoys or doesn’t enjoy attention from men based on her appearance? What difference does it make to you?
No, it’s not ridiculous, it’s long overdue. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
I think that means he likes you. It sounds like he definitely wants to spend time with you.
Around Christmas my husband and I took a couple of friends out to see Tron because they really wanted to see it but were unemployed and couldn’t spring for expensive 3D movie tickets (srsly, going to movies is almost not worth it anymore).
I guess we were suckers to not demand sex afterwards.
Ami, in my experience, that means the guy is interested and wants to spend time getting to know the girl, even if he’s tired… you can take that for what free advice is worth xP
NWOSlave, hate to break it to you, but no. Men are not at the top of my list when I dress. You see, I work at a preschool. My clothes catch baby drool, tears, and food. Lots and lots of food. It’s about utility, not about being a sexy sexy lady.
When I am not about to leave for work, the decision making process that occurs revolves around comfort. It’s Ohio. It’s June. I don’t wear make up a.) because I’m lazy and b.) because it will melt. Again, sexiness is not really a priority.
Your stereotype doesn’t hold.
Since there are so very MANY of these articles, it should be easy for you to find and provide a link to one, just to show us you’re not talking out of your ass again.
@Katz yes… yes you were… I hope you got a raincheck
Sallystrange when I provide links they are discounted and I still get only questions.
You said if I answered your question you would answer my questions. I held up my end of the bargain. How about you, is that what your word is worth. The same as what war is good for, absolutely nuthin.
Hell, NWO, I’m game. I’ll answer your questions if you’ll answer mine.
1) I get presents from my dad and brother. Also from my husband. (He got me the awesomest birthday presents this year: a vintage Trader Vic’s cookbook and a poster for the Enchanted Tiki Room at Disneyland for the tiki bar/office I’m planning to build in the back yard. For his birthday, I got him a Batman sketch by Walt Simonson.) Before we got married, we split the check on dates. We were both pretty poor. I think the only time I let a guy pay more on dates was when I was dating an actual frikkin’ millionaire and he liked to go to expensive restaurants. Screw it, he chose the place, he could pay for that sushi.
I believe modern etiquette is that whoever proposes the date pays. If you don’t want to pay, you can arrange in advance to go dutch. Whore problem solved.
Now my question for you: Have you ever gotten a gift from a woman? How about a man? Did you give anything in return? If so, does that make you a whore? And if not, does that make you a user? Why or why not? Show your work.
2) I don’t usually wear skimpy clothing unless it’s really hot out. I dress to look good, or at least presentable. I do not dress to attract men other than my husband, because duh. Now that I think about it, the one time I wore a really revealing outfit was for a swanky gay charity Oscar party. Because I looked FABULOUS.
Oh, and I wear perfume even around the house. I got into the Black Phoenix Alchemy Lab scents and got kind of addicted.
Now your question: Do you ever dress in anything less than a full burqa? If so, why? What makes you think that’s okay? Defend your clothing choices. If possible, describe sexy things you’ve worn in vivid detail so us ladies have something to work with tonight.
3. My husband likes to talk to women. I’d be kind of worried if he didn’t. I wouldn’t like it if he flirted with other women, any more than he’d like me flirting with other men. That’s just our situation, though. Every couple’s different.
If a guy tried to tell me what to wear, I’d laugh. I know that’d be rude, but come on.
Your question: If you had a girlfriend (I know it’s a stretch of the imagination, but make an effort here), and she liked to talk to other men and flirt, would that be okay? If said girlfriend told you to dress differently because she didn’t like the attention you got from other women, what would you tell her?
and on the point of dressing up… my gal pals* are known for looking better getting together for a girls night out of cards and wine at one of their places then when going out with their s.o.’s. Mostly because they make clothes and want to show off to a truly appreciative audience**.
So ya, they dress for themselves and other women. Not for the men they already know won’t be there.
*I’m not seeing anyone atm
**I can only feign joy at french hems for so long before my eyes glaze over… and I cannot seem to see the difference between a well turned hem and a “disaster”.
aaand, I’ve just been informed that it’s “french seams”… not hems…
@NWO:
Aw thanks man, I love you too (no homo) (a joke from high-school, it was funny at the time apparently)
I haven’t seen the articles you are talking about, even in newspapers. Editorials I could buy, I suppose, but I don’t know why it would be relevant (and printed). So blogs are the only place I’ve seen rants occur. So nobody gets fired from blogs.
Link to an article (an editorial wouldn’t quite work for your argument, because literally anybody can post an editorial), and I’ll get around to your questions.
By the way, I’ve answered your questions, and you sorta half-assed mine… so, do I get a “NWO will answer 1 question free” card?
And, there’s the flounce.
OK, so if women have the ‘myilbox’, do men have maleboxes? BWAAHAHAHA!!!
I just got back from the park, I flew this huge trainer kite. It was awesome! I also objectified some men by staring at them, because I hate them… 😉
I’m naked by myself at home. Who am I dressing up for? Uuuuuh… lol
No, really. I dress for myself. I’m gonna put on my ACDC surfer shorts and an old tank top and some sandals and go out for a few pints. Oh, Slavey boy… I wish I could buy you a beer; you make me sad for you. Even though you probably hate me…
晚安
wǎn ān… (I thought the pinyin would be nice, too…) :3
Oh you disingenuous little toad. You did NOT answer my question, and you refuse to provide a link to these alleged articles? Fuck you. My question is, why does it matter to YOU? You still haven’t explained why the fuck you care what my motivation is for wearing this thing or the other. It seems you think that if I admit to wearing a sexy dress because I enjoy getting attention and flirting, then that means I forfeit the right to complain if someone sexually harasses me, stalks me, gropes me, or rapes me. Well, that is complete bullshit.
As to your questions. I doubt you’ll believe me, but that’s because you’re a dishonest bully who can’t conceive of anyone being more honest than he is, but here goes.
1. Yesterday StrangeBoyfriend bought us a pizza for dinner. He just got his unemployment benefit check so he wanted to make up for my paying for dinner last week. I have a job right now and he doesn’t so it’s mostly me buying things for him these days.
2. When I go out I sometimes dress sexy, and yes, I do enjoy the attention. I have an exhibitionist streak which I haven’t indulged much in a while. But on a day to day basis, I wear khakis, jeans, t-shirts and turtlenecks–you know, basic casual office wear. No makeup. Sometimes I wear a skirt with a nice pair of high heels. Sometimes my co-workers compliment me on my appearance, both men and women. So the fuck what?
3. I don’t really care if my boyfriend flirts with other people. I do get jealous but I get over it. We’ve both had sex with other people, with the other person’s permission, while we’ve been dating. We have a pretty awesome relationship. Lately though it’s been just the two of us, mostly because it takes money to go out on the town, go out to a sex club, or organize a threesome.
Believe me or not, I really don’t care.
Now are you going to explain why the fuck you even care what a woman’s motivation is for wearing one thing or another? While we’re at it, what even gives you the RIGHT to pass judgment on something so personal and abstract as another person’s MOTIVATION to put on a particular outfit? Arrogant fuck.
I wish men would answer me honestly when I ask them if they’re actually invaders from Dimension X xD They always lie, so unfortunately I have to remove their brains from their bodies and put it into an occasionally scarf wearing giant robot xD
Yeah! NWO, why don’t you just answer her question honestly and admit it?
I hope you got a raincheck
In your own words, xD
a poster for the Enchanted Tiki Room at Disneyland for the tiki bar/office I’m planning to build in the back yard.
…You just climbed way up my list of awesome.
If possible, describe sexy things you’ve worn in vivid detail so us ladies have something to work with tonight.
Ew. Ew ew ew.
when we were dating, Wife Sublime and I were in college so finances were always very fluid. So whoever had money paid, and often we traded off. We didn’t worry about it.
Of course, NOW I realize that we were both sluts and prostitutes. As well as being poor money managers by not tracking every penny for eventual balancing of the books.
In recent days, with the lovely economic meltdown, I have found myself again often cash-strapped; so very often W.S. will again spring for dinner or drinks or a flick.
I feel so cheap.
describe sexy things you’ve worn in vivid detail so us ladies have something to work with tonight.
I have a Chthulhu briefs with a tentacle in the… you know.
Not sure if sexy is the word.
Boyfriend and I trade off as well. We live together, and he makes several hundred more dollars a month than I do. Due to medical expenses, he pays more toward rent than I do. I pitch in by paying for internet, about 90% of our groceries, and whatever I can contribute toward rent. When I do have more money than he does, and we’re out, I’ll pay. If I know I can pay for myself, I do. I just wish my financial situation would allow me to contribute even more.
I wish men would answer me honestly when I ask them if they’re actually invaders from Dimension X xD They always lie, so unfortunately I have to remove their brains from their bodies and put it into an occasionally scarf wearing giant robot
AMI, I AM TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN I SAY I’M A ZOMBIE!!