The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
Currently wearing: khakis and a polo, and dark socks… Never got a chance to change when I got home from work…
What I nearly always wear: my favorite blue wind pants (soft fabric, not hard), and some form of t-shirt.
I’m getting tired of people dogpiling me and then getting all pissy when I don’t respond to every one of their queries within five minutes. I’m also getting tired to being called ten thousand foul names, so I’ll be taking a temporary break. Kirbywarp, I’ll think about what you said regarding my own views on the world and the feminists. The parallels are there, I’ll grant, but my immediate reaction is to think that the situations are different. Still, I need some time to think without being dogpiled by 50 posters who all hate me. I’ll be back.
Currently wearing jean short shorts and an awesome cami I bought from Garage 😀 And I’m indoors! :O *SHOCK* *AWE*
It’s hot today xD
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Okay okay, I admit it, I’m dressing slutty to seduce my cat >_>;;
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Fatman: I too share your curiosity. Speaking as a man, with manly bits, I find they function rather horribly around people I don’t like. So how would you go about despising your partner while doing the horizontal mambo? Or having sex for that matter…
Thanks Ami. I know you were just picking my name at random as a “generic man”. Still, your point is a good one. Even in my “omega” days, I didn’t go through life seeing each interaction with a woman as a deliberately inflicted humiliation, the way MRAL does.
So, there’s an answer for you, MRAL. Not even other “omegas” think like you. You’ve dug yourself into a pit, and it’s only going to get better when you stop digging.
I don’t hate you MRAL, I mostly feel sorry for you, but I think that I am probably in the minority on this board in that respect.
“Still, I need some time to think without being dogpiled by 50 posters who all hate me. I’ll be back.”
We’ll be here when you do.
Fatman: There’s a trend here. Each of us have gone from mocking to helping to feeling sorry, and at least for my self, a little bit of loathing. Don’t be too hard on us. 😛
MRAL, the folks here have been far more patient, understanding and compassionate with you than you deserve. Many of them have met your angry, bitter, borderline violent little spiels with sincere attempts to help you get past whatever it is in your life that’s made you the way you are and I commend them for their efforts.
However I think it’s painfully apparent at this point that you have way too much invested in being the way you are to ever change. You’re not strong enough to even ponder for more than a moment that you might be wrong because it would mean the destruction of everything you’ve become, everything you think makes you you. So instead you’ll retreat into your little fantasy world where you’re the noble man oppressed by the evil women and the traitor males that serve them, where someday they’ll get what’s coming to them and you’ll get what you’re owed by the world.
Rattle your chains at us all you want. There’s not a link of them you didn’t forge yourself.
“I’ll be back.”
It’s cool if you don’t. I mean, I know some posters are just fine to make fun of you considering how ridiculously awful you are as a boy, but I think quite a few people are getting fed up will all the colossal logic fails you spout off on the regular.
I lurve my hoodie xD I wore it last night too cuz it cooled off a ton… it goes all the way down to my knees and it’s like 4X wider than my body xD I can tuck my legs into it and ball up if I want to 😀
Starting a new meme: does nebody else here have something like that? 😀 Like something super comfortable and casual or w/e that they just adore regardless of how it looks? 😮 (tho in my case apparently men just LOVE it cuz it’s SO SLUTTY and REVEALING xD )
Ami: my pants. Its amazing they don’t have big gaping holes them for how much I wear them. But they’re so comfy! And they fit! That’s big for a big guy like me. 🙂
Ami: I’ve reached the point in my life where I do care enough about how I look that I won’t wear just anything, no matter how comfy or convenient it is.
Oh, I understand the loathing Kirbywarp and I don’t look down on anyone for feeling it. I just see in MRAL the image of the path I could have taken had I not been lucky enough back in my early 20s to have patient feminists help me get over my feelings of entitlement.
I would love to know why the hell MRAL thinks it’s perfectly all right to lecture survivors on how they ought to deal with the trauma of their experiences. Don’t let it define me? Great. I would love to avoid that. In fact, I try to avoid it. But that’s kind of hard to do when faced with people who believe that they are entitled to some sort of response from me if they happen to see me on the street. My ex thought he was entitled to something too.
I don’t owe you anything. And I don’t often respond to men on the street because I’ve been assaulted. I’ve been hit on by strangers since puberty. I can’t even walk down the street of my very small Ohio town without worrying that some asshole is going to ogle me, whistle at me, or even slow down his car and follow me down the street until he’s close enough to ask me what I’m doing tonight. So fuck off,MRAL. My patience is exhausted.
@Johnny it doesn’t have to be something that makes you look bad (I meant regardless of how it looks as in, that I’m not talking about appearance of the clothing 🙂 ) is there nething that’s a favourite piece of clothing to you that you love wearing 🙂
“Rattle your chains at us all you want. There’s not a link of them you didn’t forge yourself.”
YES.
And it would be so nice to have a thread that doesn’t involve Little Boy MRAL and his Tiny Problems . . .
jumping to the end here since it seems like more of the same back and forth. I’d just like to say that MRAL demonstrated on a previous thread that he wasn’t dealing on the up and up with us. He knows at some level that what he’s saying is not appropriate. He’s not willing to have someone he respects, who respects him, read any of the comments he made here.
Personally I would not be ashamed of a single comment I’ve made, but then I try to be ethical in all of my dealings.
also, not responding in 5 minutes? heh, I gave you all night and most of the day on another thread and never heard anything back other than “I’ve had bruises”*. Nothing that ever addressed the meat of the issue, despite the response being to one of my questions.
*close paraphrase, can’t be bothered to look up the exact wordings.
Then you’re my kinda girl Lady Victoria von Syrus.
I’ll bet a shiver of revulsion just traveled down your spine.
Yeah, kinda.
I also have a closet full of formal gowns and costume dresses that I wear with some regularity. I just made myself a super cute rockabilly dress (black cotton with a cherry-print pattern and green banding at the top, it has a gathered bustline that makes my waist seem narrow and accentuates my cleavage, with a flared skirt that goes down to about my knees), a strapless dress (denim with an embossed rose print and ruffles at the skirt, with a belt to match) and a white denim tank dress. Because summer is coming, and I don’t really want to sweat it out in thick jeans and t-shirts, nor do I think that I have to completely erase all hints of the fact that I have a sexuality to win male approval. The sad fact is, so many of my body parts (even my feet) have been sexualized by the culture at large, so it’s impossible to go out in anything but a burqa or ill-fitting, baggy and colorless clothes.
So how about instead of insisting that women dress the way YOU think they should dress, we change the culture so that a woman can show some calf or cleavage without a bunch of atavistic misogynists shouting ATTENTION WHORE and SLUT at her?
Every thread he’s on, the book thread excepted, devolves into a discussion about him. His eye, his hate, his spoiled, whiny bullshit. Y’all are too nice.
Did NWO flounce already? I’ve never seen someone spout ream after ream of erroneous suppositions without so much as batting an eyelash and yet run away with his tail between his legs every time someone points out that he can’t spell.
It should be so easy in real life.
Hey, NWO: what if your man hates it when you pay? I mean seriously hates it; doesn’t like going dutch, doesn’t like when you pay, and sometimes makes a fuss about it. What should a woman do in that situation?
And if women have been brainwashed into accepting the communist plot of feminism, and society would be better if women returned to being homemakers, dependent on men for financial stability, then wouldn’t we all just be prostitutes?
If having sex with a man who buys you dinner makes you whore, then what is a woman whose complete economic viability depends on the man with whom she has sex?
MRAL: try reading some actual feminists. The Manboobz Forum on Library Thing has a list of authors. I know it will not be easy (much like reading some of the right wing screeds for me) but at least then you are learning what real feminists do believe. After finishing these books, it may be that you realise you do not disagree with anything they have to say. You might even agree with some of it.
And maybe, just maybe, try to not belittle or deny someone’s experience simply because YOU have not dealt with such a thing might be a good idea to avoid being called a rude little snot. Just a thought.
NWOSlave; actually yeah, I have never had sex with a guy because he bought me dinner or not had sex with a guy who bought me dinner under the expectation that it would lead to sex. With ALL OF MY BOYFRIENDS EVER we have either spit the check or alternated who paid date-to-date. And we had sex when we both wanted to or not when one or both of us didn’t.
I’m still a slut though because I’ve slept with more than 9 people! And, yeah, I happen to think I’m still worthy of respect. Which apparently makes me a hypocrite somehow, though I don’t understand how. Apparently having sex with attractive people who I like without false assumptions is worthy of disrespect…. somehow. I don’t get it.
Nobinayamu – “What if your man hates in when you pay?”
Uh, if that was me I’d dump his ass so fast his head would spin. I do not need to deal with that kind of bullshit.
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth, thank you for the pointer to the Manboobz Forum!
Welcome Hipodameia.