The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
I don’t like fucking people who hate me. Call me crazy.
As you know, women often act like herd animals
Wow. that is… wow.
“As you know, women often act like herd animals
Wow. that is… wow.”
No its true, look at the media and how women take it so seriously. Look at the huge advertising industry that has built up around women and uses group psychology. Look at all the feminists complaining about how women are helpless to the media, look at womens social behavior, who is more likely to subscribe to religions, and quasi-religions..
We are all herd animals, social psychology tells us that, but its more present in women.
Geez, we’re not a herd, we’re a pack. There’s a difference.
“… women often act like herd animals…”
If you make loud enough noises we’ll stampede and grind men underfoot? Why would you ever desire to have sex with creatures like that?
Yeah, I agree with Sally. I really, really don’t understand the concept of hatesex. Likesex is so much more awesomer!
Damn, if you hate women that much, it would be far more honest to just pay for it and get your rocks off than to have sex with someone you hate just to get laid.
When MRA’s/PUA’s express their hatred of women by calling them “insecure lizard brained sex addicts” or some equivalent…they act just as lizard brained, if not more, by conducting entire conversations around having sex with women.
It’s like seeing a Stormfront member listen to Jazz music.
What I have never understood about this sort of thing is how a man maintains the necessary interest, euphemistically speaking, to engage in the only kind of sex that MRAs consider sex, when that man hates his partner.
Women, who have never actually said this and when I claim they said this tell me that I’m lying….
I mean, what? I wouldn’t ever claim to speak for all women, but some dude can speak for all women even while recognizing that when he expresses his opinions to actual women they disagree with him?
And the MRAs wonder why, when they can actually get sex, their chief complaint is that ‘she just lies there and doesn’t do anything.’
Sure, women are social animals, at least to the same extent men are. Yes, men and women are the same species of animal, just different sexes! Amazing! And, yeah, if you get a reputation for being a dick to women, women will probably tell each other to avoid you, and it will be harder to get dates. So good work, angry misogynist dude, for accurately identifying how humans work!
I’m not sure how he leaps from this to “but if I keep acting like a dick long enough, eventually all the women avoiding me will suddenly realize I’m awesome,” but it seems to be a common fantasy in MRA circles. Beats having to think of a new approach, I guess.
Amnesia: If you make loud enough noises we’ll stampede and grind men underfoot? Why would you ever desire to have sex with creatures like that?
For advanced Manboobzers, more “fun” can be had at MarkyMark’s Thought’sv (or, as I say, “Thoughts”), where he compares women to young fillies, in that, yanno … they’re easily spooked, prone to foundering, and pretty to look at, but you wouldn’t want to marry one! Brofive!
I’m surprised he didn’t work a Sarah Jessica Parker Joke in there. Protip: I may bite, and I have a mean back kick.
“Sincerity – if you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”
— George Burns
I’m always confused by dating advice or the complaints in our social narratives in TV shows, or like how a lot of ppl seem to think relationships and marriage should be (like in jokes, or how it’s like this social bonding thing where everybody is to joke about what a tyrant their wife is or what a bore their husband is? o_O or something? ) Why not just date people you get along w/? : Rather than complaining that the women you date like opera when you like sports, and you two have NOTHING in common, or vice versa.. or try to speculate on how to get into the pants of XYZ woman who wouldn’t agree with the philosophy that’s rly important to your life, why not just date like minded ppl? 😮 (I’m also confused by whether all women are ball busting feminists, or all women are anti-feminists and only the fat ugly ones are feminists… cuz it feels like the narrative keeps changing on that xD )
If you don’t want to date a dominant personality woman, then don’t. o_O I dun see the big deal xD Treating dating like a chore and over-thinking it like you’re Bill Belichik is kind of a hint that you might want to move on to one of the other fish in the sea wouldn’t it? 😮
Also I’m a little confused about the reproduction thing. o_O Does he want SEX or does he want to just impregnate women? o_O
Why would gangs of angry anti-male women (who presumably would not have kids themselves) running around discouraging other people from having kids be an evolutionarily fit trait? o_O (much less how they pass on their genes xD )
“..view acceptance and appreciation from their peers.. to be important..”
Dudes, as well we know, fucking hate that shit. The LAST THING a man – particularly a man of the MRA persuasion – wants, is acceptance or appreciation. Not from other dudes, and most certainly not from the herds of roaming ladiebeests. Who are all massive bitches for their insufficient amounts of acceptance and appreciation of MRA dudes.
At least, I think that’s what he’s saying.
As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important.
I actually like this idea. xD From now on everybody here must bring in their husband and boyfriends to this forum for Supreme-Court judge like grilling, inspections and scientific experimentation :3
Each of us can be like a trial guardian… and he must pass thru us all (in some order) before he can be approved xD
I am the angel guardian of cats, hope and justice! 😀 You must prove that you have all 3 in your heart in order to pass. >:3
I can do hope and justice, but how do I get a cat in my heart? Do I have to get one really fat, and then eat it so it clogs up my arteries?
@Ami, justice or Justice? Because if he’s Anders, we’ll probably forgive him even for his borderline terrorist rebellion activities. Anders even gets extra points for his extreme devotion to cats, most particularly Ser Pounce-a-lot.
“Damn, if you hate women that much, it would be far more honest to just pay for it and get your rocks off than to have sex with someone you hate just to get laid.”
Prostitution is illegal most everywhere moron.
First wavers saw to that.
“I wouldn’t ever claim to speak for all women”
If you’re a feminist then you’re a liar. Feminists have ALWAYS claimed to speak for all women.
“And the MRAs wonder why, when they can actually get sex, their chief complaint is that ‘she just lies there and doesn’t do anything.’”
Inconsistent with the notion that creeps just want to drug up females and enjoy the ‘control’.
It was not just the first wavers who saw to it EW.
More than one jackass male in a pulpit denounced human sexuality because he thought girls were icky and led the way to outlaw prostitution.
Which I think is a perfectly acceptable thing as long as it is not being exploitative of either gender. In fact, I think it would help a lot of people out.
One Internet to DarkSideCat!
I’m all for the legalization and regulation of prostitution, and I bet many clients would also appreciate knowing that the brothel they’re visiting is safe and clean, and the workers are well taken care of.
I actually like this idea. xD From now on everybody here must bring in their husband and boyfriends to this forum for Supreme-Court judge like grilling, inspections and scientific experimentation
Terrible!!
My wife married a ZOMBIE!! How’s she going to fare in that kind of judgement?