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"No I won't read your literature … bitch!" and other thoughts on female fiction from the dudes of The Spearhead

This better not be written by some dame!

So Esquire magazine recently posted a list of “The 75 Books Every Man Should Read” on their website.  Esquire being Esquire – that is to say, a men’s magazine that had its glory days in the era of Mad Men and that seems to be aimed mostly at old farts (and aspiring old farts) —  only one book of the 75 was written by a woman.  (That’s 98.67% male, for those of you with lady brains who can’t do the math.)

The internet being the internet, some people noticed that the list was a wee bit heavy on the dudes, even for a men’s magazine, and pointed this out. The bloggers at the Joyland Publishing blog suggested that while the books on Esquire’s list were “mostly fantastic,” it might behoove men to pick up a book or two written by a woman once in a while. And so, with the help of some of their readers, the two assembled a list of “250 Books By Women All Men Should Read.” (Why 250 and not, say, 75? Because they got a lot of suggestions.)

Here’s a little one-question quiz for you all: What title did W. F. Price at The Spearhead give his post on the controversy?

A) “Some Great Suggestions for Books by Women You Guys Might Want to Read.”

B) “Did You Know There Are Female Authors Besides The Chick That Wrote Harry Potter?”

C) “Feminist Publishers: Force Men to Read Women’s Lit”

Yep, the correct answer is C, of course.  Apparently a couple of bloggers suggesting some books by women that men “should” read  is some kind of Gestapo-like imposition upon men by “Feminist Publishers.” Price grouses:

[I]it strikes me as rather mean-spirited of females in the publishing industry to denounce even ineffectual efforts to introduce men to literature. By all accounts, publishing has come to be dominated by women, and men are reading far fewer books than women these days. Given this state of affairs, you’d think that the women in the industry might be a bit gracious and let the boys pick and choose which titles interest them.

But of course that won’t do, because feminists must find fault with any and everything men are involved in. …

The implication [of the Joyland Publishing blog post] is that men should be forced by political pressure to read female writers (sometimes these feminists come off as whiny, annoying girlfriends complaining that “he just won’t listen to me!”).

Or, you know, it might just be that the writers of the blog post, and those who wrote in with suggestions, really enjoyed the books in question and thought that dudes might just enjoy them too.  Sort of like when a friend tells you that you should totally watch the movie Dogtooth, because it is so fascinating and creepy and awesome. Or when I tell you right now that you should go watch Jane Austen’s Fight Club on Funny or Die.

Naturally, the comments from Spearheaders were even more ignorant and obtuse than Price’s post. The basic theme: Bitches can’t write for shit (as far as I know).

In case you think I am offering an unfair characterization of the, er, debate, here’s one Spearheader’s contribution to the discussion:

when a man says “no, I won’t read your literature”, you have to respect that, bitch.

And another’s:

I basically do not read anything a wimminz has written, not even in my favourite genre of science fiction, because every single time I have tried they have been unmitigated fucking crap full of feminazi girl power bullshit and emotional baggage and basically very little hard SF…

And still another’s:

I never read anything written by women unless it happens to be instructional and related to work. Pretty much all the fiction I’ve ever read is by and for males. If I read some non-fiction for fun it’s always got a male author. I realized a while back that my cd collection is about 98% male. When I was a kid I never thought about it, it just came naturally. Now that I’m older I intentionally avoid anything by women.

It’s always,er, instructive to see what some random guy who apparently reads mostly instructional manuals has to say about the literary controversies of the day.

There were, of course, more thoughtful analyses, like this earnest comment from the excitable, exclamation-point-happy David K. Meller:

Women write for an audience of their own level–to wit themselves! Most men are simply too intelligent to be interested in what passes for literature scribbled by women! …

Correct me if I am wrong, but is most woman’s “literature” one more kvetch klatsch of women–or girls–getting together to complain about, to defeat, or to evade the workings of us evil, letcherous, abusive, horrible M-E-N! There is no point in men reading such drivel …

There may be better days coming; when women are once again taught the arts of pleasing men, in their creating a comfortable environment for the chosen man in their lives, and when they again will use their ability to read to discover new and better ways to do this, and their ability to write to communicate these truths to others of their sex! Until that happens, literacy for women, much less dominance in authorship, editing, and publishing has been, and is, a BLOODY MESS for everyone, especially men!!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

Yes, women should really only be allowed to read and write if they are reading or writing instructional manuals on how to cook and give better blow jobs, possibly at the same time.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!! to you too, good sir.

Speaking of which — the blowjob bit, not the PEACE AND FREEDOM!! — the commenter calling himself dragnet suggested that young men such as himself were simply too busy to read much of anything. They have other priorities:

The vast majority of my reading is for work, research, and classes. …

Frankly, I’d rather be getting laid than reading a novel after a grueling work week. The three or four hours I sometimes have free on the weekend when I’m not working or working out or sleeping or eating, I’d rather be out with my friends or getting serviced by whatever girl I’m with at the time.

It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a penis, must be in want of some girl to service it.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!1!!

Anyway, ladies and manginas, any good lady books you want to suggest for the dudes of the world?

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zombie rotten mcdonald
13 years ago

the whining MRA troll that he is?

he reminds me of the wingnuts who have to recast ANY book, movie, painting or whatnot that they like as conservative in order to support their rickety worldview.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
13 years ago

Fun fact for the haters: I like Susan B. Anthony, because she lived in a time when women actually were disenfranchised. Maybe this gives more insight into my politics.

zombie rotten mcdonald
13 years ago

See what happens when you forget to be angry?

he doesn’t forget, he just seems to sprinkle the word “bitch” in wherever he mentions a woman.

Emphasis on the sprinkle.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

Baby steps. Hopefully he’ll learn that talking about things like shared fandoms can lead to fun conversations with women, rather than his insistence that he’s being ‘spat upon’ by all women all the time.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
13 years ago

I know right? You can’t like feminist authors and then somehow find a way to justify throwing around the word “bitches” without being an utter piece of garbage.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
13 years ago

Fuck you.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
13 years ago

I don’t have to justify who I like to anyone, dickhead.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

One day, you’ll look back on this time in your life and regret that you wasted so much of your youth being angry at imaginary things.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
13 years ago

“Maybe this gives more insight into my politics.”

MRAL you don’t have politics, you just have weird personal vindictive delusions.

And it’s not really hate, nor pity, I think the word that describes how I feel towards yard debris that needs to be dumped out would be the best expression of my feeling.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
13 years ago

MRAL it’s not justifying who you like, it’s justifying who you are, which you’ve shown time and time again to be kind of a sad and completely clueless person.

zombie rotten mcdonald
13 years ago

We’ll see, Lady Vic.

Nobby
13 years ago

@Zombie this is sorta out of left field, especially considering the current topic, but do you have any clue as to what such critics say about ‘Frankenstein’? Because that’s pretty clearly genre fiction. Just wondering.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
13 years ago

I’d like to kick the shit out of you, Kobold.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
13 years ago

Also Zombie, you seem like a person to ask and everyone in my circle immediate hasn’t picked it up, but do you have an opinion of Mira Grant’s “Feed” is was thinking about picking that up next.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

Aaaand there’s my cue to leave!

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
13 years ago

Yeah MRAL, liking and doing are very different things.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

But very quickly, before this devolves into another whine-fest by MRAL, “Feed” is awesome! I posted a bit about it earlier in the comment section, it’s really quite good!

zombie rotten mcdonald
13 years ago

Mr. K, haven’t read it yet, but there was a strong recommendation upthread. On the book list.

I will, however, take this opportunity to re-endorse Ben Tripp’s Rise Again as a great modern zombie novel. Right up there, possibly exceeding, World War Z.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
13 years ago

Zombi4

*I instead of is

Nobby
13 years ago

@MRAL And you say you don’t say violent things, or threaten them. Kinda invalidates that, doesn’t it?

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
13 years ago

*Zombie

I am just all thumbs today.

zombie rotten mcdonald
13 years ago

ooof. cut off by Lady VVS.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
13 years ago

Holy shit, I’ve read Feed!!! That was excellent. Satire is, IMO, the hardest, genre I guess, to do well. It’s so often done badly. You have to get across your message while at the same time seeming to not really get across a message (or it’s just annoying). The best satire is not unlike hypnosis, haha. This was a prime example.

Titfortat
13 years ago

See what happens when you forget to be angry?(Lady Vic)

Sadly it seems Zombie and Mr K. are trying hard to remind him.

law1204
law1204
13 years ago

MRAL, you realize that kicking the shit out of someone would land you in prison? There are no women there so it should be perfect for you! Why not try to find a way to go there that doesn’t victimize anyone? Set fire to an abandoned barn or something. Next thing you know you get sent off to the Place Of No Women and everything would be just perfect.

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