So Esquire magazine recently posted a list of “The 75 Books Every Man Should Read” on their website. Esquire being Esquire – that is to say, a men’s magazine that had its glory days in the era of Mad Men and that seems to be aimed mostly at old farts (and aspiring old farts) — only one book of the 75 was written by a woman. (That’s 98.67% male, for those of you with lady brains who can’t do the math.)
The internet being the internet, some people noticed that the list was a wee bit heavy on the dudes, even for a men’s magazine, and pointed this out. The bloggers at the Joyland Publishing blog suggested that while the books on Esquire’s list were “mostly fantastic,” it might behoove men to pick up a book or two written by a woman once in a while. And so, with the help of some of their readers, the two assembled a list of “250 Books By Women All Men Should Read.” (Why 250 and not, say, 75? Because they got a lot of suggestions.)
Here’s a little one-question quiz for you all: What title did W. F. Price at The Spearhead give his post on the controversy?
A) “Some Great Suggestions for Books by Women You Guys Might Want to Read.”
B) “Did You Know There Are Female Authors Besides The Chick That Wrote Harry Potter?”
C) “Feminist Publishers: Force Men to Read Women’s Lit”
Yep, the correct answer is C, of course. Apparently a couple of bloggers suggesting some books by women that men “should” read is some kind of Gestapo-like imposition upon men by “Feminist Publishers.” Price grouses:
[I]it strikes me as rather mean-spirited of females in the publishing industry to denounce even ineffectual efforts to introduce men to literature. By all accounts, publishing has come to be dominated by women, and men are reading far fewer books than women these days. Given this state of affairs, you’d think that the women in the industry might be a bit gracious and let the boys pick and choose which titles interest them.
But of course that won’t do, because feminists must find fault with any and everything men are involved in. …
The implication [of the Joyland Publishing blog post] is that men should be forced by political pressure to read female writers (sometimes these feminists come off as whiny, annoying girlfriends complaining that “he just won’t listen to me!”).
Or, you know, it might just be that the writers of the blog post, and those who wrote in with suggestions, really enjoyed the books in question and thought that dudes might just enjoy them too. Sort of like when a friend tells you that you should totally watch the movie Dogtooth, because it is so fascinating and creepy and awesome. Or when I tell you right now that you should go watch Jane Austen’s Fight Club on Funny or Die.
Naturally, the comments from Spearheaders were even more ignorant and obtuse than Price’s post. The basic theme: Bitches can’t write for shit (as far as I know).
In case you think I am offering an unfair characterization of the, er, debate, here’s one Spearheader’s contribution to the discussion:
when a man says “no, I won’t read your literature”, you have to respect that, bitch.
And another’s:
I basically do not read anything a wimminz has written, not even in my favourite genre of science fiction, because every single time I have tried they have been unmitigated fucking crap full of feminazi girl power bullshit and emotional baggage and basically very little hard SF…
And still another’s:
I never read anything written by women unless it happens to be instructional and related to work. Pretty much all the fiction I’ve ever read is by and for males. If I read some non-fiction for fun it’s always got a male author. I realized a while back that my cd collection is about 98% male. When I was a kid I never thought about it, it just came naturally. Now that I’m older I intentionally avoid anything by women.
It’s always,er, instructive to see what some random guy who apparently reads mostly instructional manuals has to say about the literary controversies of the day.
There were, of course, more thoughtful analyses, like this earnest comment from the excitable, exclamation-point-happy David K. Meller:
Women write for an audience of their own level–to wit themselves! Most men are simply too intelligent to be interested in what passes for literature scribbled by women! …
Correct me if I am wrong, but is most woman’s “literature” one more kvetch klatsch of women–or girls–getting together to complain about, to defeat, or to evade the workings of us evil, letcherous, abusive, horrible M-E-N! There is no point in men reading such drivel …
There may be better days coming; when women are once again taught the arts of pleasing men, in their creating a comfortable environment for the chosen man in their lives, and when they again will use their ability to read to discover new and better ways to do this, and their ability to write to communicate these truths to others of their sex! Until that happens, literacy for women, much less dominance in authorship, editing, and publishing has been, and is, a BLOODY MESS for everyone, especially men!!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Yes, women should really only be allowed to read and write if they are reading or writing instructional manuals on how to cook and give better blow jobs, possibly at the same time.
PEACE AND FREEDOM!! to you too, good sir.
Speaking of which — the blowjob bit, not the PEACE AND FREEDOM!! — the commenter calling himself dragnet suggested that young men such as himself were simply too busy to read much of anything. They have other priorities:
The vast majority of my reading is for work, research, and classes. …
Frankly, I’d rather be getting laid than reading a novel after a grueling work week. The three or four hours I sometimes have free on the weekend when I’m not working or working out or sleeping or eating, I’d rather be out with my friends or getting serviced by whatever girl I’m with at the time.
It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a penis, must be in want of some girl to service it.
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!1!!
Anyway, ladies and manginas, any good lady books you want to suggest for the dudes of the world?
To continue de-lurking-
I’m a big proponent of Lady-written sci-fi/fantasy, and personal favorites of mine (author-wise) are:
Ursula K. LeGuin, Madeleine L’Engle, CJ Cherryh, Anne McCaffrey, Mercedes Lackey (especially Tarma and Kethry), and Patricia Wrede.
And then there’s a whole slew of excellent female poets.
Seconds to Le Guin and McCaffrey, two of my favorite authors.
Also Mary Shelly is generally considered pretty good in that field :-p. I wonder how many MRAs have enjoyed Frankenstein and Frankenstein spin-offs and somehow not realized who the author/originator was.
I’m currently reading the very funny Bossypants by the very funny Tina Fey.
Of course it’s a vicious circle. We’d have to convince the dudes that women can be and are funny, but we’d have to have them read a book like this to show that women can be and are funny, but to get them to read it we’d have to convince them that women can be and are funny, but we’d have to have them read a book like this…
Clearly, allowing women to read and write is where everything went wrong.
My book tastes lean heavily on the sci-fi and the pop science. Sci-fi is where I find more female authors. Currently I’m reading–err, listening to, rather–Lois McMaster Bujold’s enormously entertaining Miles Vorkosigan series.
Nobby, according to the commenters at Spearhead, the heart of the book was written by Mary’s husband, Percy. Of course, no link…
What, no Marion Zimmer Bradley?
@Lauging gull …Wow, really? I have no words.
Of course, the real story is more interesting. Apparently it was originally published anonymously, and when people started attributing it to Percy Mary spoke up and said “Hey, actually, that was totally me”. Of course, I can see how MRAs would somehow spin that to Mary ‘stealing’ it from him.
There may be better days coming; when women are once again taught the arts of pleasing men, in their creating a comfortable environment for the chosen man in their lives, and when they again will use their ability to read to discover new and better ways to do this, and their ability to write to communicate these truths to others of their sex!
Once again, here is proof that, for the MRAs, oppression is having to make your own sandwich.
The guy I am dating, whom I shall call 13 officially, introduced me to Ms McMaster Bujold so it is nice to hear someone else enjoying her series Sally.
Very few male writers can effectively write a female character in sci-fi or regular books for that matter. David Weber is one as is Terry Pratchett. I would have to say I am not convinced that S.M. Stirling can and I definitely do not think David Eddings (or his wife Leigh) can.
I find it funny that these men think “should” on a blog automatically means “you shall by law.”
Oh and do they not like Harper Lee’s To Kill A Mockingbird?
I will read books by women if they’re good, my favorite female authors include Toni Morrison, Doris Lessing, Lorraine Hansberry, Le Guin, and Virginia Woolf. They are held to the same standard as male writers, my favorites of whom include George RR Martin, Vladimir Nabokov, Henrik Ibsen, Steven Erikson, and Stephen King.
What I will not do is be pressured into reading inferior books by wymyn authors (distinct from women authors) to be politically correct. Nor will I consider a list full of said wymyn authors.
*throws My Antonia at MRAL for no other reason then she can*
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Despite the fact that it was only a result of a list full of men authors? Interesting.
Also, there was no pressure here. That is, in fact, mostly the point of this post. It’s a suggestion list. Jeeze.
What I will not do is be pressured into reading inferior books by wymyn authors (distinct from women authors) to be politically correct. Nor will I consider a list full of said wymyn authors.
Such a load of crap. Who is pressuring you? Precisely no one.
What’s a wymyn author? A thing you made up that you think sounds witty and snide but is really very stupid.
What is political correctness? It’s a fancy way of saying “Try not to be an insensitive asshole.” Only insensitive assholes have a real problem with it.
Where is this list of wymyn authors? There’s no such thing. Something you made up again.
I accept and understand that some people prefer fantasy worlds to reality, like MRAL. What’s baffling is when some people, again like MRAL, choose to make their fantasy worlds so bitterly depressing.
Very few male writers can effectively write a female character in sci-fi
One of the irregulars at Sadly, No recently published a zombie novel recently, in which most of the lead characters are women, and I though they were quite well done.
Rise Again, by Ben Tripp, if anyone wants to check it out. No, I AM NOT BIASED because of the subject matter! Stop saying that!
“Wymyn author” is a term I use for female authors who would not get the attention they get if they were male. “Women authors”, like Virginia Woolf, get the attention they get because they write good books.
Okay, MRAL. Sarah Palin. I’ll give you that one.
“Wymyn author” is a term I use for female authors who would not get the attention they get if they were male. “Women authors”, like Virginia Woolf, get the attention they get because they write good books.
Why bother? Seems like an awful waste of time. To be realistic, you would have to read a whole shitload of books you don’t like.
However, here is another list that we might compile: “Male authors who wouldn’t get the attention if they weren’t male”
Soo… it’s authors you don’t like? You know, you could just say “I don’t read books I don’t like” and cut out the offensive crap. But I suppose we wouldn’t know it was you if you didn’t get to throw “wymynynyny” in your response somewhere.
Although, laughing gull, to be fair we must also admit that Sarah Palin hasn’t really written ANY books yet.
I’ve never heard of My Antonia, is there any feminist shit in it? If not I’ll read it.
It is okay Zombie, we understand.
I forgot, A Lee Martinez does a good job usually. And I am not just saying that because I am friends with him on Facebook.
zombie: There are none. Well, maybe some war writers like Tim O’Brien, in the sense that they wouldn’t have that experience if they were female.
My Antonia is even awesomer because it is FREE to read.
This is a good book too. And also free!
“What I will not do is be pressured into reading inferior books by wymyn authors (distinct from women authors) to be politically correct. Nor will I consider a list full of said wymyn authors.”
How do you know those books are inferior if you didn’t actually read them?
And if you are being ‘pressured’ to read those 250 books by women authors, are you not being equally ‘pressured’ to read those 74 titles by men?