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The Gropes of Wrath

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In various countries around the world, women and teenage girls are regularly groped while riding commuter trains. This, I suspect, is not news to most of you; indeed, I know one reader of this blog who’s had this happen to her. In Japan, one survey found that two-thirds of female passengers in their twenties and thirties had been groped. Because the problem is so prevalent in that country — and the authorities are so ineffective at controlling it – some train lines have instituted women-only train cars in an attempt to cut down on groping (and on false accusations of groping as well).  “Women-only” train cars have also introduced, in a limited way, in India, where harassment of women in public – known as “Eve teasing” – is distressingly common.

So what’s more appalling – the fact that groping on trains is so common in Japan that two-thirds of young women commuters have had to endure it themselves, or the fact that a small number of train cars have been set aside for women in a fairly half-assed attempt to curtail some of this groping?

For a lot of MRAs, the latter. The subject came up on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit recently, inspiring some of the regulars to fulminate against this allegedly misandrist outrage. Fatalistic pulled out the n-word and this facile comparision:

Here’s what I’m seeing here: “At least we let you in the back of the bus, nigger.”

ExpendableOne, meanwhile, managed to work in a staggering number of standard-issue MRA complaints into this one sentence:

I think it’s discrimination and subjugation entirely based on misandry, negative male type-casting/stereotyping and anti-male heterophobia.

Ztakn seemed to suggest that it was all part of some oddly indirect money-making scheme on the part of, I guess, women:

To keep it short they exploit and propagate fears not only demonizing men in society but also terrorizing women and scaring the shit out of them making them more paranoid than they need to be.

And then they do it for money.

How would that work exactly?

1) Get groped

2) Set up women-only train cars

3) ???

4) Profit?

Given that the Men’s Rights subreddit is one of the few Men’s Rights forums online that is not completely overrun with misogynist fanatics, there were others who responded more reasonably. Alienblonde noted:

In Japan it’s a massive problem where school girls get groped by older males on trains in peak hour.

Happened to me in Europe too when I was back packing. Some old Spanish guy sat beside me and decided to feel me up.

Women shouldn’t have to deal with this and unfortunately, until it stops happening, I think [women only train cars are] justified.

Naturally, this being a Men’s Rights forum, she quickly found herself the focus of a game of “blame the victim.” Fatalistic accused her of “[j]ustifying discrimination with this all men are potential criminals feminist dogma.”  When she pointed out that she was not, in fact, doing this, he moved on to castigating her for not making a public scene when she was groped:

You should out the people who actually do these things rather than treat the rest of us as criminals by default with disgusting bigoted policies and the back of the bus mentality.

When she pointed out that this could have put her in more serious danger, he merely scoffed:

You would have to be paranoid and spoonfed the most egregious of feminist women are helpless, men are unstoppable beasts that need other men with guns to drag them away dogma to believe that all but the most psychopathic would persist or try to harm you if you outed them to a crowd for their actions.

Easy for you to say.

Of course, when women DO confront sexual harassers on trains, as I noted in a post on the infamous New York Subway flasher last November, they get reactions like this sarcastic Reddit comment from one member of the men-are-oppressed club.

Yes, because obviously her heterophobia needs to be glorified… Penises are so disgusting and scary, obviously women should totally be justified in fearing them and there couldn’t possibly be any kind of misandry involved with such contempt, befuddlement or “helplessness/horror” to the mere sigh[t] of male anatomy. /s

Yep, if you’re a woman on a train, not wanting to have some random dude pull his penis out and rub it on you is “heterophobia.” Who knew?

In the case of the subway flasher, the alleged perp did indeed flee when confronted. (He was later arrested.) That’s pretty much the best-case scenario. But it’s hardly the only possible result, and it’s understandable why a woman riding the train to work (much less one backpacking alone in a foreign country) would hesitate to publicly accuse a groper of groping her. Having women-only train cars cuts down on the number of times women are put in this difficult situation.

Yes, in an ideal world, there would be no need for women-only train cars. In an ideal world, men wouldn’t grope women on trains.

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Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

*gasp* That’s… that’s true! Oh my god… I just realized…. the truth!

Manboobz is… ACTUALLY THE SPEARHEAD IN THE FUTURE! :O

You finally really did it. YOU MANIAC! YOU BLEW IT UP! Damn you David. GOD DAMN YOU TO HELL!

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

“Surprising Futtrelles insensitivity for the victims of such a war crime as groping.”

Divide a conquer fail. You have to be smart to use that move.

And he isn’t really a hero, he has stated himself that he’s just a guy who pulls a few comments dumbasses like you type out on the internet and just posts them here to make fun of. All you do is cut out the middleman.

Plymouth
Plymouth
9 years ago

David is awesome ’cause he makes me LOL. Doesn’t make him a hero. Just, ya know, a kewl guy.

Skyal
Skyal
9 years ago

Having read his responses & thinking about this when my toddler wouldn’t sleep last night…I’m reasonably certain that MRAL is a narcissist. I’m not sure if he actually has narcissistic personality disorder, although I wouldn’t be surprised. There’s no point in trying to have a reasonable conversation with someone like him because they never get beyond the infantile belief the world revolves around them. My 2 year old has more empathy and awareness of others.

Thankfully, most narcissists don’t physically hurt people (although there definitely are some & given MRAL’s violent fantasies, he seems on the road to being one), they just make the lives of everyone who care about them miserable.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Beware the feminist! For she is the Devil’s pawn. Alone among God’s females, she marries for sport or lust or greed. Yea, she will marry her brother to possess her brother’s land. Let her not breed and become fat, for she will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun her, drive her back into her cat ridden apartment, for she is the harbinger of bankruptcy.

XDDDDDDD

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Dr. Futrelle: I see you’ve bought the sexbot of your fantasies. I didn’t realize that men could be technoamorous.

Hero MRA: On this forum, it’s easy.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Ah, yes – the young MRA with the funny eye. I hear you’re planning another trolling expedition. MRAL, a friendly word of warning – as you dig for sympathy, be sure you don’t bury your reputation.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

What’s wrong with me?

I think you’re crazy.

I want a second opinion.

You’re also lazy!

Can I date hot girls anymore?

Of course you can!

Well I couldn’t before!

XDDDDDDDDDDDDd

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

It’s funny. Earlier in this same thread I got called a “white knight” for being too charitable towards MRAL. Now I’m a “white knight” for stating that men should call other men on their shit. It’s hard to get these things right…

Fortunately, I won’t run that risk with EWME, who is just a garden-variety Internet Tough Guy-all bluster and no balls.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Eh, these MRA paste-eating titty babies may call my story white-knighting, I call it everyone there looking out for everyone else. They won’t believe I wasn’t just using the oodles of female privilege at my disposal, but I can assure these nerds that if shit was started with ANYONE on staff, male or female, the bouncers were all over it. It was by far the most egalitarian place I’ve ever worked.

Captain Bathrobe, you’re right, guys do need to be aware and call bullshit on other men when they’re being misogynist tools.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

Futrelle will only be a hero to me if he dresses up in a cape and tights. It is required. He can have a big giant F on his cape though.

Yesterday some dipwad in Yuma shot up a bunch of places and killed five of them. Since it appears to be from an acrimonious divorce, I am not looking forward to the stupidity that will flow from the MRAs running around the Spearhead claiming this guy was justified. *sigh*

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Beth, I thought they’d be celebrating V.S. Naipaul’s latest bit of douchbaggery:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jun/02/vs-naipaul-jane-austen-women-writers

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Hey nobinyamu, I’ll like Toni Morrison if I damn well want to, just as I’ll enjoy Malcolm X’s autobiography if it fucking pleases me to like it. As a member of the thought police feminist brigade I’m sure that gets your panties in a twist, but that’s too bad.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

Hey fuckwit, I didn’t say that you couldn’t like Morrison or Malcolm X. Frankly, I’m impressed that a chowder-head like you reads at all. I said, essentially, that your inability to understand them frustrates me.

When I began reading Morrison I didn’t think to myself “Oh, woe is me. I’m Black and 13 years old and sometimes my life is really hard because I feel like no one understands me. Ohmigod! I’m just like Pecola! Feeling misunderstood by my parents, and anxiety about my looks, and hating algebra is exactly like being an abused girl in the dustbowl who is constantly called ugly and eventually gets raped and abandoned by her father. My life is soooo hard! Sniffle.”

In other words, through Morrison’s exquisite prose I was able to gain real insight into some of the issues surrounding self-image both as a young Black woman and as a human being. Just as importantly, I was able to see quite clearly how incredibly privileged my own life was in comparison to Pecola Breedlove’s. And I was 13 years old at the time; not an age known for introspection.

But you, you’re such a whiny ass titty baby that reading about real hardships, fiction or not, feeds your persecution complex. Because you’re a soft, spoiled, dumbass.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

What makes you think that I think I’m anything like Pecola or Malcolm X? Because I sure as hell never said anything like that.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

How is that you read as much as you claim to and don’t understand synecdoche, the concept of the corollary, and metaphor? Also, you did say way back when you first started posting on these threads that you identified with Malcolm X. If you want, I’ll go dig through threads and pull up the quote.

My larger point, and I’ll try to use smaller words, is that you fundamentally lack the ability to comprehend the larger themes in their work and I find that frustrating. You also have a persecution complex the size of which is completely unsupported by the facts of your life as you present them and I find that irritating.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

David: My hero! *hands you bacon*

CB: While I am not a fan of Ms Austen’s work, it makes little sense to claim that no woman ever has matched him in writing if for no other reason then it is impossible for him to have read every work by every (English writing) woman ever written.

Alex
9 years ago

Aww, thanks Ami! *hugs for you too*.

MRAL,

I think you’re liking Malcom X and Toni Morrison is a crock of shit. I know you hate them.

thefemalespectator
thefemalespectator
9 years ago

The Guardian has a “Naipaul Test” in which you try to identify whether a passage is written by a man or a woman. I’ve never read any Naipaul and actually identified his passage as written by a woman. FWIW.

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