In light of some recent discussions here, I thought this cartoon seemed relevant. I got it from my new favorite Tumblr blog, Comically Vintage. It’s astounding how many of the comic panels posted there — especially those from melodramatic 60s-70s romance comics — apply to the arguments in and around the manosphere today. Perhaps because the world in which these guys live is as imaginary and out-of-date as the fantasy world of 40 or 50 year-old Romance comics.
And while we’re on the subject, here’s a bonus cartoon. Here, crawling from the primordial soup, is the world’s first PUA! (Granted, he hasn’t quite worked out all of the tenets of modern Game, but, hey, he’s still a lizard. Just as human evolution took millions of years, evolving something as complex as modern PUA theory takes time.)
Oh, and please add to your perception of the world the fact that a woman is genuinely happy for a man–one who has thrown bazillions of violent insults at her kind, in her view!–to be improving his life. Because I am. I really hope you can come to have some good experiences with people.
and while you’re at it, try to get out of your comfort zone a little. Get involved in the leadership of the club/group. Talk to men and women. and if you really get on a roll, ask someone on a date. Worst that happens is… nothing really. The worst thing that can happen is you don’t risk anything yourself, and you end up unhappy for not putting yourself out there.
But.. but… you’re talking to actual women.. and you’re telling us what .. we… think! o_o;; I’m amused xD
So.. wait.. I’ve been spitting on creepy stalkers, Asianphiles and weirdos who won’t leave me alone on a jog all this time? o_O Most of the time I have my ipod on and dun hear ppl either xD Sometimes I THINK some guy might have said something to me, but I’m usually busy or doing my own thing… that’s spitting xD Esp when I’m running, I just want to keep running, not stop and cool down b/c some person thinks I need to say hi to them o_O;;
Apparently I’m a virtual supersoaker! xD
I have many female friends. I have female friends I’m not remotely attracted to. I have female friends I think are physically attractive but not somebody I want as a girlfriend. I even have a few female friends I absolutely would like to go out with, but know it’s not in the cards for various reasons.
I have many male friends. They would fall all over the spectrum of your Greek system. Many are “alphas”. They are not assholes. My brother would be an “alpha” by your standards. He is not an asshole.
I like all of these people to varying degrees, but I enjoy spending time with all of them. I have fun when we’re together. Try it sometime.
Well at least that’s something to look forward to instead of more fucking work, sleeping, and eating. I think I might not come here anymore until I try it, and we’ll see how the alphas and wymyn react in Boston.
Worst that happens is… nothing really.
Yus! THAT.
Thank you! 😀
Holly, I don’t think women are really interested in getting to know men unless they want dick
Say whaaaa?
I have many very good male friends whom I have not slept with and will never sleep with, and I started hanging out with them because I thought they were interesting and awesome people. In other words, I don’t approach my every interaction with the opposite sex with the goal of Getting Laid.
I second the idea of getting involved in something you find interesting, and using that to meet people. Out and about, in their daily lives, most people are just trying to complete their errands and don’t really have ‘making friends’ on their list of things to get done. To be able to socially connect with people, you have to get them when they are in a relaxed mood – i.e., at their hobby club.
And whatever you pick, make sure it’s something you already find interesting. Don’t sign up for Underwater Basket Weaving because you think that’s where all the chicks are at.
@ami
I got it! I spent a great deal of my single digits watching my bro play Yses 1-3. Because rpgs hog the damn system, so what else was I going to do?
I haven’t read all the comments yet, but wanted to chime in with that. It’s hard reading 150 comments on my phone. I’m on the bus, you see. Going to Dairy Queen to get a blizzard and spit on some men. The sugar will make my saliva stick better.
I think I’ll just meet beta and omega men for friends, though, because they’re the only ones who care about “personality”.
Sigh. That post began so well.
Okay, so, a bunch of things. Your eye, as everyone else has said, is not noticeable. I say it now because I didn’t say anything on the perhaps more appropriate thread.
You’re in Boston, a large city that is … kinda rude by my standards, anyway (but fun!). You go to college, where there’s a large group of people coming from different backgrounds, with different standards for social interactions and different needs for safety, etc., and where a surprisingly large number of your classmates — I guarantee you — are feeling insecure and self-conscious and out of place. And because you have not been accepted with open arms by everyone in this environment, you have determined that this is because you are an “omega,” because of your height and your eye, and now you hate everyone you think has an easier time than you. Is that pretty much it?
Well, now it seems a little like a chicken and egg thing. Did the shitty personality come first and scare people away from you, or are you just this shy person who’s gradually become angry at everyone for not recognizing you as the amazing person you are?
A few hints. You’re not owed anything by anyone; stop thinking that you are. On the other hand, if you work on yourself and can develop a genuinely nice personality, almost certainly you’ll get a better response. People generally want the same thing you want. They want to be liked. They want to be heard. They want to be entertained. Work on providing those things to other people. You have a better chance of not getting “spat on” all the time by treating people nicely than by constantly judging them and perceiving imaginary slights. Seriously — you’ve even put your three friends into their Greek categories? SO not cool, dude.
That’s a good move, MRAL.
Now say “men and women” or even just “people,” and you’ll be really turning the corner.
Not into being a feminist. I don’t really give a shit at this point if you ever give a shit about feminism or not. Just into being a little more of a relaxed, happy person who feels like he has some real connections to the world.
“Well at least that’s something to look forward to instead of more fucking work, sleeping, and eating.”
Yeah, I think a lot of people fall into the whole internet thing as a substitute for a real social experience- but it’s definitely worth it taking the time to do some pavement pounding for actual human contact.
Not to knock the internet – but it is definitely no substitute for the real deal.
If ppl think you’re a creep, who cares? xD I’ve been creeped out by a LOT of guys (esp the ones who objectify me for being Asian and talk ONLY about that) but I’m just moving in and out of their life. Just like I’m sure lots of ppl think bad things about me maybe (well maybe not ME, b/c I’m the angelcatbunny xD but let’s pretend! ) but you have to remember, life isn’t a TV show where you’re the main character and everybody is always thinking about you or things revolve around you. 🙂 Even if some ppl think you’re awkward or weird or creepy, who cares? You move on with your life 🙂 I used to worry about this a lot about job interviews, that if I screw up, it was some sort of negative statement about me as a person, but I realized that I’m just another candidate to these ppl and if I f- up, there’s the next job interview and those ppl have never heard of me 😀
“Don’t sign up for Underwater Basket Weaving because you think that’s where all the chicks are at.”
This is a very good point that I’d like to second. Although, in MY experience, I’ve gone and tried out things I would have never done before and ended up really liking them. So if you , for example, try out salsa dancing to meet girls and end up staying for the dancing, that’s a double bonus .
Having said that, I suppose I could ask the women in my Dungeons & Dragons group (Mr. Kobold: Monster Manual says yes, there is only one Tarrasque) for confirmation. All of them seem to be interested in dick in general, with a focus on one specific dick in three out of four cases, but none have shown any interest in mine over the last three years of playing in my games.
Ah, well. I guess they’re too focused on their alphas (one a short, pudgy freelance writer, one a tall, rail-thin astrophysics grad student, one I haven’t met yet) to do anything but spit on me. And help set up my blog. And go to Thor with me and have a long conversation about the difference between the movie, the comics and the myths. Just using me, I guess.
(Actually some truth there – none of the bastards will take a turn as DM!)
Last comment meant as a follow-up to my comment @ 11:26
Yay chocominties and redlocker for getting the Ys video game reference! 😀 Ami points for everybody! 😀 *scatters*
Hay MRAL… am I an alpha? o_O Have gotten modelling gigs, size 0, 5’8″, um… I dunno what else makes a woman an alpha in this thing? Ppl seem to think I’m pretty cute xD
(Actually some truth there – none of the bastards will take a turn as DM!)
You have to stop seeing DMing as a chore, and more of as an entertaining opportunity to try out different creative ways of TPK’ing the party.
There are a lot of clubs at bu I guess, that’s one good thing about going to a huge school. Still, I do not deny the validity of the Greek system. Maybe it’s a LITTLE more flexible than previously stated. Maybe not. I’ll give it a try.
This blog is part time comedy club, part time UFC octagon and right now it’s a self help group xD It’s a triple changer! xD
Seraph, I hear you. I always end up DMing. It’s fun, but it’s so much work! I want to just play once in a while.
Despite what may appear to be my infinite supply of geeky and sports (I dunno if that’s geeky xD ) knowledge, hobbies and the like, RPGs of ANY sort are something I’ve NEVER done xD
MRAL, what activities are you thinking of getting involved in?
Activities I’ve enjoyed include archery, D&D, birdwatching, Pilates, and (no joke) going to hamster shows.
Well, the one bonus of participating in a “derailed conversation”, is that there is no longer a threat of derailing further, so everyone is free to talk about whatever the hell they want.
The conundrum of choosing to DM or just play is an interesting one. The way it was described by one of my friend was “I want to play, but I’m afraid that whoever else is DMing will screw up the game if I don’t do it myself.”
MRAL – That sounds awesome. I’d add – if you go to a club meeting, talk to some people, have a few moments that make you laugh and smile, and go home, chalk that up as a win. It takes a while to really fit in–I was in my current social circle for a couple months before I had many real friends and six months before I met my boyfriend–but just having fun with other people is a good thing in itself.