In light of some recent discussions here, I thought this cartoon seemed relevant. I got it from my new favorite Tumblr blog, Comically Vintage. It’s astounding how many of the comic panels posted there — especially those from melodramatic 60s-70s romance comics — apply to the arguments in and around the manosphere today. Perhaps because the world in which these guys live is as imaginary and out-of-date as the fantasy world of 40 or 50 year-old Romance comics.
And while we’re on the subject, here’s a bonus cartoon. Here, crawling from the primordial soup, is the world’s first PUA! (Granted, he hasn’t quite worked out all of the tenets of modern Game, but, hey, he’s still a lizard. Just as human evolution took millions of years, evolving something as complex as modern PUA theory takes time.)
Okay, well ithiliana, that makes some sense. It’s true I’ve only been in Boston for a year. But my real beef is not with the stranger thing, I rarely say hi to strangers. My real beef is with women who are clearly looking for someone and will throw herself at a hot man, but if you’re below a 9 you’re shit on her shoe and a fucking creep. Fuck them.
Kobold, I have no idea. I never discuss the Greek system with anyone because apparently that’s considered socially inappropriate. I’m of the opinion it’s a case of collectively denying that which we don’t like, but whatever.
You’re not shit on her shoe, you’re someone she’s not interested in. There are people you’re not interested in too, remember?
Move on and find someone you can talk to. She’s (or he’s! not saying you’re gay, suggesting you get a fourth friend) out there. Maybe she won’t date you. That’s fine. Get to know her as a person. It might be a springboard to dating (her or someone you meet through her), or it might be a worthwhile activity in its own right.
You sound like you just need to learn a lot more about how people in general interact, and given your age, it’s honestly pretty sad that you have so much anger standing in the way of you doing that.
Holly, I don’t think women are really interested in getting to know men unless they want dick. This is why they look at betas and omegas like shit on their shoe, even if these men don’t come onto them. Their entire existence is worthless. That’s my experience, anyway.
Honestly MRAL here is you deal, summed up in the simplest sense.
You don’t know anything.
You don’t bother to learn anything.
And you’re so small of a person that you don’t bother to change that, you just create weird delusions to why you don’t know anything or won’t learn anything so that you never have to change those traits.
That’s why “MR” is so attractive to you, it’s a reductionist and reactionary philosophy that doesn’t incline a “man” to have to do anything beneficial or worthwhile, it’s just a belief system geared not toward building anything up but rather to impotent and vain attempts to bring everything that doesn’t fit it’s hilariously small worldview down.
And you tag yourself with thist because it fits who you are as an individual.
Nobody owes anything to random strangers. There. Argument over.
Back to talking about PUAs though…
I think the whole concept of “pick up culture” is really a very mixed bag. Some of it is stereotypical masculine dating performance (and some of the members of the community approach it from this perspective). However, I think that a lot of entrants approach it from (for lack of a better term), being an average frustrated chump who has had no experience with women. If these men find success, they do so because PUA forces them to break past comfort barriers that they in actuality, probably never crossed before. This main barrier is known as “talking to women”.
But I think that the whole idea of “the dating game”, provides us all with some wonderful opportunities in singling out the good ones from the bad ones. As a man, seeing a woman participating in the stereotypical bullshit that one encounters a lot in the dating field , these behaviors signal to me that the person I’m dealing with is an immature brat that I should avoid like the plague. I imagine that the stereotypical PUA behaviors are a way for (smart) women to avoid their immature male counterparts.
I have a lot of male friends, MRAL. And even with the one man I do get dick from, the majority of our time is spent doing other activities together–we go out for dinner, go on walks, work on crafting and writing projects together, go to social events together.
A man and a woman can interact with each other in just the same ways any two people can interact with each other. I’m the very same species as you, MRAL.
Hell, I’m talking to you now–and I am trying to educate you, I hope you see that this isn’t just insults–and it’s sure as hell not about dick.
I think MRAL is still at the stage of life where the world revolves around him & everyone’s reactions to him, especially women’s, are personal & have nothing at all to do with what the other person might be dealing with. Perhaps this article might shed some light on the fact that IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU!!!!
“Kobold, I have no idea. I never discuss the Greek system with anyone because apparently that’s considered socially inappropriate. I’m of the opinion it’s a case of collectively denying that which we don’t like, but whatever.”
Your opinion is moronic, it’s easy to be a genius when you’ve deluded yourself that everyone on the entire planet is an idiot.
“Holly, I don’t think women are really interested in getting to know men unless they want dick. This is why they look at betas and omegas like shit on their shoe, even if these men don’t come onto them. Their entire existence is worthless. That’s my experience, anyway.”
Gosh, I’d better watch out then, I never new so many of my friends just saw me as a meat organ.
Honestly, you don’t have experience, you have three friends.
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Really, I don’t think you can have a girlfriend until you learn how to be friends with girls, because in many ways, a girlfriend is a really really close female friend. Learning how to just hang out and talk and relax with women is excellent practice for learning how to hang out with a girlfriend.
Well I am. Fuck you too.
Alright, I got that out of the way. I’ll continue trying to help you.
Do you have any female friends? Have you ever had a female friend? Have you ever tried talking to a woman with whom you didn’t want to eventually sleep with? Do you have any female family members you enjoy spending time with?
Not every interaction you have with women needs to be about sex or dating. Not every interaction you have with other men has to be a competition. Sometimes it’s okay to just have fun and enjoy yourself.
“I don’t think you can have a girlfriend until you learn how to be friends with girls”
Very true, although I’d like to add that most people know how to make friends with other people.
What’s really funny is that if he hadn’t mentioned violence, I would actually offer to meet with MRAL–in public, with backup–and try to have a friendly chat with him, if only so he could learn what a friendly chat feels like. I’ve got free time these days, and if I could bring him around even a little, give him a little brighter view of humanity and of his future, I’d feel like I’d done something good.
But the violent fantasies rule that out. I’m not risking my nosebone on this kid.
Hmmmmm. Well Holly, you (and a lot of other people) keep saying that you hate it when strangers acknowledge you, but everyone’s a stranger at first. So how am I supposed to get to know someone without seeming like a creep?
That’s what we call a double bind for men, and a major reason the femiasshole movement is worthless
It’s not a double bind. It’s a reason to get into group activities where you have a pretext for (casual, not immediately sex-getting) conversation, or for saying “hi” to people with the understanding they may or may not respond after class or in coffeeshops and such who seem unhurried.
It is hard to meet people–no kidding, it’s real hard–but once you meet a few who introduce you to other people, or invite you to social events, it gets easier.
And the anger absolutely shoots you in the foot here. Because when you’re first trying to meet people, you will go down a lot of dead ends–a few people who really are jerks and a lot of people who just aren’t able to be your friend for whatever logistical or emotional or compatibility reason–and you have to be willing to absorb that gracefully. Not for some deep moral sake, but because being a cheerful and forgiving person is something that you really project and something that makes people want to be friends with you.
Regardless of anything else MRAL has said (I didn’t have the patience to read a 110 post thread), I will compliment him on his vaguely military sounding screenname. While not the most original, it does have some feeling of swagger to it.
You are telling a woman what women want. Do you realize why this makes you stupid?
moreover, if you are cheerful it is better for your own mental health, let alone other people that have to deal with you.
Maybe. I’m not saying you’re right, but I’ll try joining an extracurricular when I go back to Boston in a few weeks. I think I’ll just meet beta and omega men for friends, though, because they’re the only ones who care about “personality”.
Think of how odd shakespear looks today
Yes, that spelling does look odd.
So how am I supposed to get to know someone without seeming like a creep?
Whine and insult them on the Internet, obviously.
I had a feeling somebody didn’t know the athlete height thing, and was gonna be using google xD Iverson wasn’t an accidental pick xD
You are made of win. I mean wyn.
That last sentence doesn’t make any sense on Earth, but do join that extracurricular and really give human beings a chance. I’m actually sort of rooting for you at this point, MRAL.
Extracurriculars are good. That is a good plan. The only thing I would add is that you should give men and women both a fair shake when it comes to being friends. Don’t defeat yourself before you’ve even gotten started.