Quite a few MRAs and MGTOWers seem to have have convinced themselves that women rarely if ever serve real time, or face any real consequences, for committing crimes. In the parlance of the manosphere, this is known as the “Pussy Pass.”
Now, this is, of course, almost complete bullshit. Why the “almost?” Because women do in fact receive somewhat lesser sentences when compared with men committing the same crimes. (So do white people, though you don’t hear the MRA crowd talking much about the “Honkey Pass.” )
Are the lighter sentences for women the result of evil feminist man haters? Not so much, Ampersand of Alas, A Blog argues in a thoughtful look at several studies on the subject. The author of one study concludes, as Ampersand summarizes it,
that this may be caused by sexist paternalism among judges; women are seen less as full adults, and as being less capable of being responsible for their own actions, and as a result judges depart from sentencing guidelines to give women lighter sentences.
Another study found that, contrary to what virtually every MRA or MGTOWer would assume, male judges were more likely than female judges to give especially harsh sentences to men. Let me repeat that: Male judges gave the harshest sentences to men. As the study’s author noted, “the greater the percentage of female judges on a district’s bench, the smaller the gender disparity.” (Emphasis mine.)
Just don’t try telling this to the MRA/MGTOW crowd. We saw the other day how the idea of the “pussy pass” – the notion that “the law does not serve justice” – has led some MRAs to advocate or voice their support for lynching female perps (with what degree of seriousness I don’t know).
Meanwhile, over on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, nigeles175d “humorously” suggests that the supposed existence of the “Pussy Pass” should also give guys the right to rape women who happen to give them boners:
[I]f we men cannot control our passions as women often claim, why don’t we get a Dickie PassTM like women get the Pussy PassTM? If women cannot control their tears, their screams, their giggles, and if women are driven to poisoning or murdering their sleeping husbands and use the excuse of years of abuse and being unable to control their mental state, why do we not consider a similar excuse for men. The way some women dress (hint, hint, SlutWalkers) to deliberately entice men to want sex with them, why is it not an exonerrating circumstance in the same way as it is for women? It seems women are never made to take responsibility for their actions, nor are they ever held accountable. Alternatively, if men are not allowed it, but women are, then we’re treating them like children and they don’t deserve the vote or positions of authority.
And of course it all goes back to women having the vote — the source of all evil in the modern world. Attitudes like this are, of course, what make the Slutwalks (and feminism in general) necessary in the first place.
@Pecunium…
In an ideal world of course not. But it’s a pointless exercise given the outcomes our system provides. Furthermore the media circuses – which are always present with female perpetrators – and the broader public sentiment are extremely destructive for the victims themselves.
What I’m reporting are the sentiments of victims. The legal elements are only one part of the picture. Those victims would rather forego the opportunity for punitive satisfaction if the broader mockery and derision could be avoided. The counselling services aren’t going away and in the long run they are more important.
@Bee You see that attitude in anti-Union people a lot. I’ve done a lot of work organizing and negotiating for unions and the naysayers seem to follow the idea of :
‘I don’t get and neither should they!’
Instead of (what makes makes more sense to me):
‘I don’t get and I deserve it too!’
It’s weird how certain people would rather bring everyone down to the same shitty level than to help everyone get out of the muckpit together.
Whoops. I used HTML tags there. I meant to say:
‘I don’t get (insert benefit) and neither should they!’
Instead of (what makes makes more sense to me):
‘I don’t get (insert benefit) and I deserve it too!’
Abuse victims deserve help, no matter who they are. Abusers should be prosecuted, no matter who they are.
@gwallan…You can never win any arguement, it’s pointless to try. You’re assuming women think the same as men. A million stats from a million sources means nothing. They’ll say women aren’t a monolithic block but when you look at politics, laws, newspapers, the TV news, ect. their actions prove otherwise.
For example heres is a link for child abuse.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm08/cm08.pdf
On page 50 the mother alone is 38.3% vs father alone 18.1%. Mother and other is 8% vs father and other at 0.9%. So in case 1 the woman is twice as likely and in case 2 where the boilogical parent invites an (other) into the home the mothers other is 9x more likely to abuse a child as the fathers (other). The chart goes on to name every type of (custodian) who was abusive, but the trend is the same.
So the safest place for a child is with the biological father. Women of course will make excuses for this by stating mothers get care more often or they are the primary caretakers, blah, blah, blah. As if this is an excuse. Of course the reason for this is the fantastic no fault divorce they lobbied for where they use children as pawns to garnish a mans wages while denying him equal custody. But even that doesn’t matter, because the “debate” (so to speak) will always devolve down to the vilest crime a woman can think of, “so I guess thats an excuse for men to rape women.”
This particular article is about the “pussypass” for crime, well heres womens solution from feminist Baroness Corston, (A woman in power).
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/corston-report/corston-exec-summary?view=Binary
Heres just a few exerpts
“Most women do not commit crime”…A fine excuse to negate accoutability for those women that DO commit crimes.
“The biological difference between men and women has different social and personal consequences”…Biology can be used when it benefits women.
“Coercion by men can form a route into criminal activity for some women”…Men are always the root of evil, women are victims.
“Prison is disproportionably harsher for women because prisons and the practices within them have for the most part been designed for men”…Men deserve harsh treatment for their crimes, women need our help.
Do go have a read of this fine solution to women being treated unfairly, and yes, the UN has jumped aboard this bandwagon. Apparently,(they), want to literally convert old luxury hotels into spa’s to better meet womens holistic needs. Sounds almost angelic doesn’t it? But again the justification for this will always be, “so I guess it’s OK for men to rape women.”
I hear over in Australia they’re trying to mandate 50% women in politics and all positions of power in any private company over 100 people they’ll need x amount of women. So if a company that does some type of manual labor is forced to hire x number of women, the women will be given made up jobs in human resources to accomodate these new laws. (women sure aren’t going to be running to do dangerous, dirty work). This of course will drive the prices up in those fields and if you don’t agree you must think it’s alright for men to rape women.
Women love Big Government as Yaz and Bee have clearly shown with their fight for state run unions. She has no idea where that money comes from and doesn’t care. Big Daddy Guv is their protector and provider. Over 22 million State employees and she wants to give them more “bargaining power.” Every man truely is an island and women are united with the Corporation.
It’s like the tale of the frog and the scorpion. The scorpion say to the frog “if you give me a ride on your back across the stream I won’t sting you, because if I do we’ll both drown.” The frog agrees because it sound logical to him. When they get halfway out the scorpion stings him. The frog says, “why did you do that now we’ll both die!” The scorpion replies, ” I can’t help it, it’s my nature.”
‘Yaz and Bee have clearly shown with their fight for state run unions’ – Nwo, lost again.
No one mentioned state run anything. No one mentioned details at all, in fact. Is this a symptom of your natural dishonesty in motion, or would this be your poor reading comprehension coming into play again?
Also, you never did answer the question regarding whether or not you condone using judicial leniency as an excuse to rape women. Even though you were asked three times. Unless you state otherwise, I’m going to have to assume that your silence is agreement with the MRA quote mentioned. Which is what I figured, anyway.
Just for the sake of accuracy… >_>;; that hottest female child abusers thing, was an ill thought out and badly executed attempt at satire/social commentary in order to show that sex offenders can be anybody (which is abs true 🙁 and an important message 🙂 ), and to shake up what many ppl assume sex offenders ALL look like (again what we “know” is often different than reality, as I keep saying : ) he meant it to “shock” and very few ppl got the message/over-the-top-ness 🙁 (and a TON of ppl, feminist, MRA, news media, Christian groups, etc etc that I’ve seen got RLY outraged about it and bought it, so it’s not like anybody thought this was a GOOD idea if it was straight up non-satire xD )
The fact that it doesn’t use party pictures or etc, but pretty awful looking mugshots, and lists their crimes and esp the age of the victims 🙁 was supposed to make it clear as satire (or at least clear in terms of the author’s mind).
I say this b/c ppl being misinformed is bad 🙁 Now you have been inoculated w/ truth, justice and the Ami-ian way! 😀
Ami, this is the guy who posted a link to the very article David was referring to in order to refute David’s article. Actually doing research, being aware of what he’s arguing about, being aware of what he’s arguing for, and being truthful is clearly not important to his ilk.
Ohhhhh, poor Yaz. Do tell slavey what “union” Bee is fighting for. I’ll bet it’s the State.
And I’ve answered your question countless times.
Funny but this article is about unfair sentencing for crimes. And in my previous post I stated extremely clearly that no matter what, the (debate) will always devolve down to I guess it’s OK for men to rape women. And heres the quote from you. “Also, you never did answer the question regarding whether or not you condone using judicial leniency as an excuse to rape women.”
And what has your little screed devolved down to? Just like I said. It’s your nature.
Gotta go but before I do. @Ami Angelwings, nobody reads your posts and no one will as long as you continue to fill half the fucking page with those stupid emotes.
Bee never mentioned unions. I did. Try reading better. Or making an effort to actually understand the words you’re reading. Or something. It’s like a poster above mentioned, you’re standing in the field playing a different game and totally oblivious to it. It would be amusing if it weren’t so utterly pathetic.
Still haven’t answered, nwo. Saying you did, and changing the subject repeatedly would be your dishonesty at work. But that’s okay. I know the answer. That you’re a rape apologist is pretty obvious.
A lot of ppl fell for it hook-line-and… tho 🙁 And like usual stuff, the outrage is on page 1 and the explanation/correction/follow-up/apology/etc is on page a billion : I think a lot of ppl (of all ideologies) STILL think it’s real b/c they missed the follow up (it’s sort of the way things work w/ ppl and the news media, even before the internet but with so much link-of-mouth now it’s worse.. there’s immediate reaction and the follow-ups never end up on Twitter or FB or go “viral” so many ppl never find out (or check up on it) ) 🙁 so this is me informing ppl who didn’t know 🙂
Slavey said: Ohhhhh, poor Yaz. Do tell slavey what “union” Bee is fighting for. I’ll bet it’s the State.
Oh, I have a better idea. Please tell me where I said anything about unions or the state ever. Please. I insist.
And I’ve answered your question countless times.
No you haven’t! Geez. But no one expected you too. Hell, I’m impressed that you manage to do pretty much anything. Good job, Slavey!
And Ami: I have to say that I’m not a smiley-face or frowny-face person, but you’ve won me over. I suspect you’ll already be ignoring what Slavey said, as is well and good, but I wanted to say it anyway.
I really do have to go Yaz. This particular ariticle is about unfair treatment of “men” in sentencing. Or, if you prefer, women recieving the “pussypass.” So please try to keep you thoughts out of your pants. Every single injustice in the world doesn’t revolve around your pussy.
‘This particular ariticle is about unfair treatment of “men” in sentencing.’ – Nwo, not paying attention
And the blog entry is called ‘Using the myth of the “Pussy Pass” to justify rape and murder’
Try to keep up. I know it’s hard for you.
‘Every single injustice in the world doesn’t revolve around your pussy.’
You should also stop assuming you know my gender.
Yep, pretty safe to say NWO agrees with the comment in the post.
‘Yep, pretty safe to say NWO agrees with the comment in the post.’ Xtra
Oh, we all know it. But I’m finding it amusing watching him flail around ineffectively while desperately trying to change the subject and distract from the question. I know it’s not really sporting of me, but sometimes we all succumb to a little bit of a cruel streak.
As another person w/ exp working w/ shelters, sexual violence, DV and other anti-oppression agencies (and as somebody who has been thru these services (both ways) ) and also talking w/ a lot of survivors and in groups and trauma therapy and etc, the sad thing is that justice isn’t served a LOT, and there’s TONS of under reporting, for all genders. But most ppl who work with anti-oppression/shelter/SV work dun talk as a 1 gender vs another gender thing b/c EVERY VICTIM COUNTS (also b/c it’s not a zero sum game, it can be exclusionary (like w/ Kimberly Nixon :() due to issues involving -isms and lack of intersectionality) BUT shelter workers/counsellors etc help the ppl they help, not spend time trying to hurt other ppl not in the group), and there’s so much intersectional stuff that has to do w/ these issues and underreporting and not being believed 🙁 Trans ppl, PoC, immigrants, children, disabled ppl, elderly, mentally ill ppl, queer ppl, etc etc there’s SO much more than just “ALL WOMEN GET GREAT TREATMENT, NO MAN EVER DOES” (which isn’t true -_-;; you can’t speak in generalities like that.. it’s like saying no child ever gets justice b/c a lot of children are disbelieved or pressured into changing their story 🙁 reality doesn’t need to be sensationalized to be terrible 🙁 ) The thing about “the gov won’t help you, it’s the help from hard workers and donations” etc is ABS TRUE, and has been since the beginning. It’s not like women’s shelters are beautiful gov run spas and men’s shelters are holes in the ground o_O;; I mean it’s not true…
That’s not to say things aren’t BAD, they’re bad b/c we live in a screwed up society w/ a screwed up rape culture and victim blaming and ideas of femininity and masculinity that make BOTH GENDERS be dismissed by the police (and that’s just assuming these ppl are cis abled straight middle class white ppl, also certain groups ARE raped at a MUCH higher rate than others, life isn’t “fair” unfortunately but it’s true 🙁 this isn’t a competition of who has exp’d the most pain as a group… rape shouldn’t be a game… even tho men are statistically less likely victims doesn’t mean that male survivors aren’t STILL SURVIVORS or should be treated less, but it doesn’t mean that we should ignore the fact that some groups rly are seriously hugely vulnerable 🙁
and intersectionality has a LOT TO DO W/ it.. thus why it is an important thing that social services and agencies and workers are being educated on and creating policy around 🙂 ).. but the feminists, male-abuse/rape activists, shelter workers, etc *I* know want to WORK TOGETHER (tho the intersectional part does screw it up a lot -_-;;; I find more resistance to trans ppl than to cis ppl of the opposite sex… or complete fail when it comes to disability… and ppl who are gender queer or trans tend to find themselves completely shut out of ANY shelter) to make things better for EVERYBODY, and to educate police and fight the rape myths that is all around us that some judges and police and lawyers buy… to create things like rape shield laws, and we ALL work to try to create safe and inclusive spaces that aren’t transphobic, or sexist, or homophobic, or ablist, ageist, etc… and we all should work towards these things, as feminists, anti-racists, and other anti-oppression activists everywhere do, and as individuals do, with donations, and volunteering and protest marches, and etc etc etc 🙂
Attacking other survivors won’t help 🙁 education helps… working together helps… DOING THINGS help 🙂 (as I said, even offering a couch, or home to a survivor if there are no services, or if they are afraid of them as some abused men that MRAs talk about seem to 🙁 ) And as far as I can tell everybody on this site gets that, and has a lot of compassion AND passion for anti-oppression and fighting rape and rape myths and care a LOT about survivors of all types and understand the issues surrounding intersectionality and various forms of oppression and how they interlink 🙂 There’s a lot f-ing wrong w/ the world, and w/ rape culture, and our laws, and our justice system and our narratives… and nebody fighting those things, and fighting those narratives, is an ally in the fight against rape, abuse, assault and oppression 🙂
Ty Bee 🙂 This has been going on forevar w/ rad fems and other feminists, and even comic book fans… xD
(I AM the thing that unites ALL ppl apparently! 😀 ) I dun care… I yam who I yam 😀 I’ve spent so much of my life suicidal and in a truly dark and horrible place and never able to be me and I fought so hard to be myself… I dun care what ppl think 🙂 I write for me 😀
I wonder how long until we see a Jackknife Powerbomb… or a Razor’s Edge 😮 How about a couple leg drops? 😀
So who calls Goldberg? 😀 I call Booker T! 😀 Or DDP.. I always liked DDP 😀
Just an FYI Dave:
You do not need to give me credit for any pictures you get from my website or blog.
In fact, that is not even my work – I simply used a more readable font – and added the yellow text.
Thanks for spreading my pics around bro!
You’re the best anti-feminist on the internets!
“Oh, we all know it. But I’m finding it amusing watching him flail around ineffectively while desperately trying to change the subject and distract from the question. I know it’s not really sporting of me, but sometimes we all succumb to a little bit of a cruel streak.”
I hereby submit 4tehluz for consideration as an Olympic sport. Go for the gold everybody!
Ami: I appreciate the things you have to say, but it would really be a lot more readable if you used fewer smilies and abbreviations.
It is amazing the lengths NWO will go to avoid saying something as damning as, uh, “I disapprove of rape.”
I’m hoping this is merely because he sees it as a concession to The Evil Side and won’t admit the sky is blue if a feminist says it is. Because the other possibility is… yeah.
NWO, if you think rape is awesome, at least have the balls to say that.
Unlikely. Not for lack of balls — I don’t think Slavey has enough of a sense of shame to fear the disapproval of others — but due to his dishonesty.