Quite a few MRAs and MGTOWers seem to have have convinced themselves that women rarely if ever serve real time, or face any real consequences, for committing crimes. In the parlance of the manosphere, this is known as the “Pussy Pass.”
Now, this is, of course, almost complete bullshit. Why the “almost?” Because women do in fact receive somewhat lesser sentences when compared with men committing the same crimes. (So do white people, though you don’t hear the MRA crowd talking much about the “Honkey Pass.” )
Are the lighter sentences for women the result of evil feminist man haters? Not so much, Ampersand of Alas, A Blog argues in a thoughtful look at several studies on the subject. The author of one study concludes, as Ampersand summarizes it,
that this may be caused by sexist paternalism among judges; women are seen less as full adults, and as being less capable of being responsible for their own actions, and as a result judges depart from sentencing guidelines to give women lighter sentences.
Another study found that, contrary to what virtually every MRA or MGTOWer would assume, male judges were more likely than female judges to give especially harsh sentences to men. Let me repeat that: Male judges gave the harshest sentences to men. As the study’s author noted, “the greater the percentage of female judges on a district’s bench, the smaller the gender disparity.” (Emphasis mine.)
Just don’t try telling this to the MRA/MGTOW crowd. We saw the other day how the idea of the “pussy pass” – the notion that “the law does not serve justice” – has led some MRAs to advocate or voice their support for lynching female perps (with what degree of seriousness I don’t know).
Meanwhile, over on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, nigeles175d “humorously” suggests that the supposed existence of the “Pussy Pass” should also give guys the right to rape women who happen to give them boners:
[I]f we men cannot control our passions as women often claim, why don’t we get a Dickie PassTM like women get the Pussy PassTM? If women cannot control their tears, their screams, their giggles, and if women are driven to poisoning or murdering their sleeping husbands and use the excuse of years of abuse and being unable to control their mental state, why do we not consider a similar excuse for men. The way some women dress (hint, hint, SlutWalkers) to deliberately entice men to want sex with them, why is it not an exonerrating circumstance in the same way as it is for women? It seems women are never made to take responsibility for their actions, nor are they ever held accountable. Alternatively, if men are not allowed it, but women are, then we’re treating them like children and they don’t deserve the vote or positions of authority.
And of course it all goes back to women having the vote — the source of all evil in the modern world. Attitudes like this are, of course, what make the Slutwalks (and feminism in general) necessary in the first place.
Ah, NWO, once again, you need to read a bit more carefully. The numbers you gave — from the paper mentioned by you, me, Ampersand and Men whatever his name is — were not in fact the researcher;s final numbers, because they did not take into account several important variables that affect sentencing, and which explain a good deal of the disparity. In other words, the numbers you’re citing are an apples-to-oranges comparison.
If you had kept reading, you would have seen that the author, immediately after giving those numbers, said this:
Just so you know, the term “offense level” basically refers to the way sentencing guidelines define crimes; the number is adjusted based on certain factors that take into account the severity of the crime and the criminal’s role in it (whether the person is the ringleader or a follower, for example). Since these things affect sentencing (they’re supposed to), comparing the raw numbers without taking offense level and criminal history into consideration means it’s not a clean comparison.
So the researcher went on to construct an equation that controls for these variables (and several others), to give an apples-to-apples comparison:
Now, this is STILL A DISPARITY, and I don’t deny it. And I don’t think it is good. But it’s a far cry from the misleading number you cited, and a far cry from the MRA myth of the “pussy pass” — basically, that women can get away with anything.
I thought women being jailed at all (forget the ones executed or on death row), or even having to go through the court system alrdy violated the feminist conspiracy belief? o_O This is a TERRIBLE feminist/state conspiracy if we’re still going thru the motions of going to prison and losing our freedom xDDDD This is what happens when we contracted our feminist/state conspiracies out to M. Night Shyamalan xD
I DEMAND A BETTER FEMINIST/STATE CONSPIRACY (watch this be quoted EVERYWHERE xD)
WHAT AM I FORCING MY CUCKOLDED HUSBANDS AND ALL MY ENSLAVED BOYTOYS TO PAY TAXES FOR IF THIS IS THE BEST MOTHER BRAIN (cuz this is MRAtroid right? xD) FOR THAT MATTER WHY DO THEY HAVE TO PAY TAXES AT ALL!? WHY SHOULD I EVEN HAVE TO PRETEND TO BE MARRIED AT ALL, WHY CAN’T WE JUST SEND THEM TO THE MINES!? >__<;; We're rly slacking off ladies!
xD
There’s a missing *CAN DO in there (next to MOTHER BRAIN xD But I blame the patriarchy! A MAN MADE ME TYPO!
Dave, page 291 on the link I provided
Table 5 shows that large differences exist in the average sentence length on
the basis of race, ethnicity, and gender. Whites receive the lowest average sentence
of 32.1 months. In sharp contrast, Hispanics receive a sentence of 54.1 months
and blacks receive 64.1 months, which are 68.5 percent and 99.6 percent larger
than the average sentence for whites. Even more pronounced is the difference
between males and females. The average sentence for males is 278.4 percent
greater than that of females (51.5 versus 18.5 months).
YEAH OKAY THE SENTENCING IS DIFFERENT BY GENDER WE GET THAT
ACTUALLY NO ONE ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET IS SAYING IT’S THE SAME
now please pointedly ignore the rape dude, because denouncing rape would be giving in to the Evil Feminists
(that’s a joke, i assume you actually ignore him because you think rape is awesome)
Don’t you love how NWO quotes the same data, but handily leaves off all the extra stuff that, you know, makes it right? Fascinating stuff.
Also, that is page 296, not 291, and, for those who don’t feel like opening the file, is the paragraph directly before the one quoted by Dave. The one where they say “this data isn’t right because all the variables are fucked up”.
Holly, the P.C. term now is the Ethically-Devoid Feminists! >:| Evil is insulting and derogatory to our brethren down below.
Get w/ the program or the Feminist Conspiracy will send YOU to prison! (where you’ll be promptly be released after a nice manicure and pedicure and spa treatment of course! xD I’m waiting until the some guy claims that female jails are like health clubs too xD )
Ah, the derp is strong here tonight…
“Meanwhile, over on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, nigeles175d “humorously” suggests that the supposed existence of the “Pussy Pass” should also give guys the right to rape women who happen to give them boners:”
Oh jeeez!
A dude makes a sarcastic (and accurate) comment about the pussy pass and you react as though he’s actually advocating rape.
See what I mean?
I… he’s not?
“The way some women dress (hint, hint, SlutWalkers) to deliberately entice men to want sex with them, why is it not an exonerrating circumstance in the same way as it is for women?”
What IS he advocating? Parfaits?
Also, MILLIONS OF GUINEA PIGS!!!
Sigh. NWO, go back to page 296 of the study. This time, don’t stop reading after the part you’ve quoted. Keep reading the rest of that paragraph. Read the next paragraph through the sentence that ends “explain these disparities.”
What the author is saying there is that THERE ARE OTHER VARIABLES THAT THE NUMBERS HE JUST GAVE — THE ONES YOU JUST CITED — IGNORE. This means the numbers that you gave DO NOT ACCURATELY COMPARE sentences based on all the factors that judges take into account when handing down sentences — like, a person’s criminal history, or the “offense level.” The men in his sample have considerably longer criminal histories than the women, and commit more serious offenses. Therefore, it logically follows that those variables account for some of the sentencing disparity between men and women.
The next bit in the paper is the math by which the researcher figures out just how much of the disparity is due to these factors. Once he does the math, he gets this, which I quoted before:
This is the actual disparity between male and female sentences, based on a clean comparison — that is, if you’re comparing sentences when men and women commit crimes of the same severity, have the same criminal history, etc.
This 12 percent difference is the true extent of the “pussy pass.”
Again, I’m not making this up. This is what the researcher found. Go back and just read a tiny bit further in the paper.
“The way some women dress (hint, hint, SlutWalkers)”
Speaking of SlutwalkersTM
I think I’ve finally figured out how these slutwalk things are supposed to stop rape.
Judging from the appearance of most of the participants I think the idea is to totally turn guys off to women dressed like sluts.
David, I like to imagine that there is a parallel-universe NWOslave out there somewhere who argues in good faith and responds to factual data. I think your comment gave him a lot to think about.
Shorter evilumpire:
“Feminists are ugly! Blar-har-har!”
‘Judging from the appearance of most of the participants I think the idea is to totally turn guys off to women dressed like sluts.’ – evil
And that would totally make sense if rape were about sex instead of control and power. It isn’t.
“David, I like to imagine that there is a parallel-universe NWOslave out there somewhere who argues in good faith and responds to factual data.”
Thing is in such a universe feminists would be beautiful women who were pleasant to be around. So he would have little cause to argue to begin with.
“And that would totally make sense if rape were about sex instead of control and power.”
So you totally agree that feminist chicks are wallflowers?
Your saying your feminist girlfriends/wives etc. are ugly?
lol
You are a lazy and ineffective troll, evil.
back to that blockquote about getting a “rape pass” – especially if a woman is “dressed like a slut” – did he miss how that’s ALREADY THERE?
as in, if a woman gets raped and isn’t a full-fucking-BURKHA, everyone will say “but she wore X and so it’s HER fault that that rapist was incapable of being an adult and controlling himself”
and men get away with rape ALL THE TIME because the person they raped was “dressed like a slut”
gods, MRAs just… ugh
“so it’s HER fault that that rapist was incapable of being an adult and controlling himself”
So your saying that rapists are normally adults?
lol
““And that would totally make sense if rape were about sex instead of control and power.”
So you totally agree that feminist chicks are wallflowers?
Your saying your feminist girlfriends/wives etc. are ugly?
lol”
Okay, seriously, does anyone have any idea what this means? Because I am at a total loss. My saying that my girlfriends are ugly? What?
I believe I summed up evilumpire’s brain fart several hours ago. That’s pretty much it.
I think evilumpire is watching tv at the same time and NWOslave is standing in the middle of the field but not actually playing. Where is the one who pretends to be to be two people of different military ranks? He makes me laugh.