Quite a few MRAs and MGTOWers seem to have have convinced themselves that women rarely if ever serve real time, or face any real consequences, for committing crimes. In the parlance of the manosphere, this is known as the “Pussy Pass.”
Now, this is, of course, almost complete bullshit. Why the “almost?” Because women do in fact receive somewhat lesser sentences when compared with men committing the same crimes. (So do white people, though you don’t hear the MRA crowd talking much about the “Honkey Pass.” )
Are the lighter sentences for women the result of evil feminist man haters? Not so much, Ampersand of Alas, A Blog argues in a thoughtful look at several studies on the subject. The author of one study concludes, as Ampersand summarizes it,
that this may be caused by sexist paternalism among judges; women are seen less as full adults, and as being less capable of being responsible for their own actions, and as a result judges depart from sentencing guidelines to give women lighter sentences.
Another study found that, contrary to what virtually every MRA or MGTOWer would assume, male judges were more likely than female judges to give especially harsh sentences to men. Let me repeat that: Male judges gave the harshest sentences to men. As the study’s author noted, “the greater the percentage of female judges on a district’s bench, the smaller the gender disparity.” (Emphasis mine.)
Just don’t try telling this to the MRA/MGTOW crowd. We saw the other day how the idea of the “pussy pass” – the notion that “the law does not serve justice” – has led some MRAs to advocate or voice their support for lynching female perps (with what degree of seriousness I don’t know).
Meanwhile, over on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, nigeles175d “humorously” suggests that the supposed existence of the “Pussy Pass” should also give guys the right to rape women who happen to give them boners:
[I]f we men cannot control our passions as women often claim, why don’t we get a Dickie PassTM like women get the Pussy PassTM? If women cannot control their tears, their screams, their giggles, and if women are driven to poisoning or murdering their sleeping husbands and use the excuse of years of abuse and being unable to control their mental state, why do we not consider a similar excuse for men. The way some women dress (hint, hint, SlutWalkers) to deliberately entice men to want sex with them, why is it not an exonerrating circumstance in the same way as it is for women? It seems women are never made to take responsibility for their actions, nor are they ever held accountable. Alternatively, if men are not allowed it, but women are, then we’re treating them like children and they don’t deserve the vote or positions of authority.
And of course it all goes back to women having the vote — the source of all evil in the modern world. Attitudes like this are, of course, what make the Slutwalks (and feminism in general) necessary in the first place.
Hey, MRAs? If you want to be taken seriously, how about trying to prove that this ‘pussy pass’ exists outside of that one link?
Okay, well so much for my reading skills. I just noticed this, from the Pussy Pass helpfully provided by, I guess, the Men-Factor web site: Cost: One Vagina (owned and operated by the state).
So, the contention is that I totally have this “pass” that excuses me from any kind of reprehensible behavior (including crying and giggling even), with the assumption that my genitals — which are located, I believe, on my very own body — are not under my own control?
I’d almost say this is a statement about current political abortion policy, but it can’t be. Can anyone explain this? Women get a “pass,” so they’re privileged, but this privilege is based on women not having ownership of their own bodies — and even so, this is something that MRAs are jealous of? What?
Dave, when I hit any of the four links I get as follows “pussypass” link is a google link that goes to a wack of generic “pussypass” links. “thouhgtful look” is an “alas blog” The we “saw the other day” link takes me back to your site. And the “nigeles 175d” takes to a MGTOW forum I can’t access without signing in for which I have no account.
NWO, if you read even the opening sentence of the Alas a Blog link — heck, even if you just skimmed it — you would see that it was based mostly on the study you linked to.
I have a question. Seriously dude, how do you function?
Pussy pass?
You doubt its existence.
All I’ve got to say is, are you literally retarded?
Women teachers get away with molesting boys in school far more than male teachers get away with molesting girls.
Jesus, that’s only one.
Hell, just wikipedia “men’s rights” for the pussy pass in full effect.
Meh, I know you’re man-haters. Just admit to it rather than playing stupid. At least it’s honest that way.
Sorry Dave, delete my last post please @NWOslave | May 20, 2011 at 9:33 pm . You said you referenced the study not linked to it, my misunderstanding. I thought you meant linked to it.
Damn it Dave, you posted before I did.
Actually, David doesn’t doubt the existence of–I’m not using that stupid phrase–leniency for women. He just doesn’t like it. If y’all would listen, you’d realize that we’re actually on the same page here–we know that sentencing isn’t equal and wish it was. Read David’s second paragraph!
Or the third or fourth one. Read anything beyond the title and picture, seriously.
The thing is, leniency for women was never a feminist standpoint. It’s got more to do with old-school sexist “oh, a silly little woman could only commit a silly little crime!” thought than it does with feminism.
So…is poor reading comprehension and the inability to read your own evidence–or the content of the blog post you’re trying to refute–a prerequisite for being an MRA? Or is there just a poor quality to the trolls around here?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/aug/02/closedownwomensprisons
Heres a fine article on feminists want to use the “law” to just shut down womens prisons completely.
The article in it’s infallible feminist logic, (written by a feminist) states that women are a tiny minority of those imprisoned, (that’d be the pussypass, less time, if any for the same crime) and that women could be “helped” at spa’s and such with their “problems.” The best part is, they could make more room for the bad men, (who can’t be helped) in those formerly womens prisons to be incarcerated.
Is this the Equality advanced by feminism I always hear about? Oh yea, I foresee all kinds of good stuff happening in the near future.
@Yaz…Well my reading comprehension might be poor but even I understand oppression. The average sentence for men and women for the same crime are as follows, men = 51.52 months and women = 18.51 months.
Do you comprehend those numbers Yaz? What it means is a man will be given almost 3x as high of a sentence for the same crime, if a woman is convicted at all for the same crime. This is what it means to be the privileged class.
Holly, how can you be so cruel to them. Not only are you asking them to read what Dave wrote (as opposed to just knowing in advance that he will be promoting the objectives of The Feminist Conspiracy), but to then think about his arguments and weigh them against facts).
Any woman who gets lighter sentence than a man is the beneficiary of feminist agenda. It’s just like the patriarchy used to be, before women took over (it started with them getting the vote, and the final victory was achieved with managing to keep the ERA from passing, so they could get all the laws favoring women passed. If the ERA had passed, then they would have been stuck with being equal. It was all the secret polygamist Mormons convincing their husbands it was a bad idea which made it possible to keep Utah in the no camp. That let them go on to use the ERA (and blaming Mormons) to pass laws to ‘make up for’ not getting to be, “equal” (which was never what feminists wanted, they have to be on top), and use the fifth column they created by preying on weak-minded men who thought really meant it when they said equal.
It’s because they managed to achieve this victory that men are the second class citizens they are. It’s why men, because of their inferior social status,commit more crimes of violence. They are also forced to take higher wages, when they can get a job; esp. one that involves running a company, or even a part of one, so that they can lavish gifts on women; who therefore don’t need to work as hard, and support them in their lives of ease, with cabana boys peeling grapes for them.
They’ve managed this so cleverly that the men they let be judges, are either still convinced the women are “oppressed (which any fool can see is a filthy lie) or are so terrified of backlash, if they treat them women equally to the men, that they hand down lighter sentences.
The female judges know that they are in the catbird’s seat, and no man would ever dare to point out they are being anti-woman by handing down the sentences female criminals actually deserve, and so they feel free to be more honest in sentencing.
But you’re a woman… you knew that already.
And the same is true if you’re white or if you’re rich. No one has denied that. That you seem to think they have says a lot about your poor comprehension. Also about the fact that you didn’t read the blog post, or the study you posted as ‘proof’ that David was wrong.
There is nothing feminist about treating women (or men) as children who can’t help themselves and should therefore be handled with kid-gloves. If you actually bothered to read anything by any of the feminists who frequently post here, there is a strong current of wanting adults to be held responsible for their actions. So stop pretending this is an issue that is the fault of feminism.
But do you, as someone who identifies with the MRAs, believe that women getting a lighter sentence justifies men raping them and deserving a free pass? I notice you avoided commenting on that…which makes sense since you probably didn’t read that far down.
Incidently, as a long time lurker here, I disagree with your assertion that you understand oppression. Your understanding of it seems very limited to how it effect those you identify with, generally men, and fuck everyone else.
Pardon me, my post was directed at NWO.
NWO – Frances Crook is a prison reform advocate, not a feminist.
You can’t just take random opinions you disagree with and label them “feminism.” That quickly becomes absurd:
“Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.”
-Adolf Hitler, noted feminist expressing a feminist opinion
Well Yaz after soooo many years of feminism why has this rate of incarceration disparity not been eliminated?
And why does every conversation always come back to, “Does this justify men raping women?” I am a man and you just called me a rapist. My reading comprehension skills tell me this. You did not say a very, miniscule amount of men have raped. You said “men.” The term “men” is all inclusive, as in all men.
Gee Holly I can find other articles of feminists who also advocate for the closing of all womens prisons but so can you. Do a search or two. But of course since you not that kind of feminist, feminism retains it’s holy stature, since women aren’t a monolithic block. It’s the ultimate defense that is no longer working. It’s time for a little accountability. Good night oppressors.
Jesus Christ, NWO, go back and read the post. The part where the guy talks about this justifying raping women. The second red thing. Yeah. That’s what everyone is so worked up about.
NWO, the blog post you are responding to is about using leniency of the penal system to justify raping women. As David quoted from an MRA who suggested this should be the case. Did you miss that part? It’s blockquoted in red. Maybe you should try actually reading what you’re replying to instead of jumping into a ‘wimminz are da enemy!’ rant with links that actually support the position you’re trying to refute.
‘Well my reading comprehension might be poor…’ – NWO
‘I am a man and you just called me a rapist. My reading comprehension skills tell me this.’ – NWO
Right. Your comprehension is poor. We’ve established this. So maybe we shouldn’t be using your comprehension to discern the actual meaning of things?
The fact that you jumped to ridiculously misplaced moral indignation rather than answer my question is very interesting.
I can find other articles of feminists who also advocate for the closing of all womens prisons but so can you. Do a search or two.
I did search, and all I got was MRAs accusing Imaginary Feminists of advocating this.
It’s also a fact–and I blame this on sexism forcing men into aggressive roles and women into submissive ones, not on nature–that men do commit more violent crimes.
since women aren’t a monolithic block
Er, yeah. We’re not. I swear, NWO, when you speak entirely in sarcasm and “look at me I’m a feminist BLOOGY BLOOGY BLOO” talk, sometimes I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. Are you saying women are a monolithic bloc?
One last post….Yaz YOU said…”But do you, as someone who identifies with the MRAs, believe that women getting a lighter sentence justifies men raping them and deserving a free pass?”
This is a question directed at me, stating quite clearly, asking if women getting a lighter sentence justifies “men” raping. Not some men, not a few men, just men.
Dance around it all you like. Oh how you love to correct grammar errors and such to justify your superiority. Well I just did it to you.
By that logic, NWO, when I say that “I own guinea pigs,” I just said that I own all the guinea pigs. BILLIONS OF GUINEA PIGS.
…grammar just does not work like that.
@Holly
I think he’s making a clumsy and poorly worded stab at accusing you of the ‘There’s no true Scotsman’ fallacy.
Where he fails is :
1) sarcastically implying that all women are one giant hive-mind.
2) in the fact that feminists will denounce other feminists and call them out when they say something that is sexist/classist/racist/bullshit. Something I’ve yet to see MRAs do. Something that NWO did not do in regards to the quote regarding penal leniency justifying rape.
‘This is a question directed at me, stating quite clearly, asking if women getting a lighter sentence justifies “men” raping. Not some men, not a few men, just men. ‘ -NWO
NWO, quite clearly your understanding of how the English language works is contributing to the poor reading comprehension you admitted to earlier.
You still haven’t answered the question.