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Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest: A Rorschach test for misogynists

Looks like another evil lying bitch, doc.

Some highlights, by which I mean lowlights, of a recent discussion on The Spearhead of IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest on sexual assault charges. The Spearheaders, naturally, have some unique and interesting perspectives on the case:

Black women (like the accuser) are all a bunch of liars. Run away!

Reality May 18, 2011 at 11:04

I knew it was going to be a black woman- I suspected from the second I heard about this. Crystal Magnum anyone? Don’t want to make this a racial issue- but how can you avoid it? You take 5 ounces of Female/Feminist hate and deception, add 8 ounces of the stereotypical black thing of always sniffing around for a lawsuit, stir .. and you have more than enough reason to avoid black women even more vigorously than women in general.

The case is somehow all about how badly “beta” men are discriminated against by evil women:

Commander Shepard May 18, 2011 at 11:53

Typically false rape allegations are made when a woman realizes she’s slept with a beta but doesn’t want her rep taking a hit and wants to avoid feeling like crap (betas are icky) my gut tells me either this is a totally fabricated set up (politically motivated) or Strauss-Kahn is getting a lesson in how betas have to apologize everyday for their existence.

She’s accusing him because she’s got AIDS and therefore (?) wants to make a quick buck, ethics be damned:

Avenger May 18, 2011 at 18:55

Since she has AIDS she knows that an infection could take her out at any time and she has a teenage daughter. A person like this will certainly not think like a normal person and may very well do something for a lump sum of cash since she has nothing to lose and may have some resentment towards men and doesn’t care what happens to this one guy. She also may be thinking that if she dies at least her daughter will have the money. This is not someone I would trust. …

I predict that Strauss will be released on bail tomorrow. He’ll pay the female’s lawyer some money and then the whole thing will just fade away.

He’s probably innocent, but he’s a white-hating Commie Jew bastard, so ha ha:

goldenfetus May 18, 2011 at 09:57

Libertarian here. I doubt this guy is guilty. Seems unlikely, yet possible. But as observed, this guy is a White-hating elite Marxist Jew. So while I agree that political disagreement is not sufficient grounds for wishing false-rape accusation/conviction on him, I submit that his hostility toward my people coupled with his general evil is enough to justify the enjoyment of his suffering. We can’t forget that his politics are what makes this possible in the first place, or ignore the ‘reap what you sow’ component here.

As a white guy, I’d like to say that goldenfetus does not in fact speak for “my people.”

And before anyone steps in to complain that I’ve picked the “outliers” in the discussions, the fanatics whose opinions aren’t shared by the MRA masses, I will note that (as is generally the case with Spearhead comments I quote) all of the comments here have gotten numerous upvotes from Spearhead readers, and only a handful of downvotes, if any. In other words, they represent something close to the Spearhead conventional wisdom. (And by “wisdom” here I mean “offensive idiocy.”)

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Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

Also, a statement about patriarchy from a larger feminist site, Shakesville:

“Though all of us, sans rigorous philosophical exertion, are hapless conduits for every limiting and oppressive archetype upon which the patriarchy depends, conveying the bars of our own cages, very few of us are its unconstrained beneficiaries. Even the average straight, white, middle class American man exchanges privilege for severe limitations on his personal expression and emotional life—and he is encouraged never to examine that devastating trade-off too closely, lest the veneer on the alleged bargain prove thin enough through which to see. We all serve the same callous master, and there’s little to celebrate in being the favored slave—especially compared to a life of freedom.”

Emphasis mine.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

For what it’s worth, I think Eve’s list is a bit over-the-top. For example, the idea that talking about the kind of woman you find attractive necessarily makes you a supporter of rape is just stupid, and I don’t know very many feminists who would agree with that characterization. The issue of pornography is contentious, to be sure, but I don’t know many feminists who would go so far as to say watching pornography in which women are depicted makes someone a rape supporter. The issue I’ve heard discussed lately is the treatment of actors and actresses in the porn industry, but that would be more like accusing someone of supporting sweatshops.

Still, there’s a significant difference between calling out certain behaviors as supportive of rape and accusing specific individuals of actually committing specific acts of rape. It’s akin to the difference between calling someone an anti-Semite and accusing them of having been a guard at Treblinka.

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

For clarity, i dislike the idea of “all of us support patriarch always”, it’s a wierd phrasing. But the point i wanted to make there is that this much larger feminist site isn’t saying ‘All men are to blame’. It’s saying quite clearly that all people in a patriarchy, women and trans* included, uphold it and have a duty to work against it. It is not, despite your allegations, anit-man.

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

wow. should be ‘patriarchy always’, ‘weird’, and ‘anti-man’ [size=”1″](we’ve already had an anit-man around, that was different)[/size]

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

dang, size tags don’t work! Imagine that bit being very small.

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

… because i used brackets by accident. To make this last bit not just me randomly triple posting, please, david, let us preview! If you can.

lol
lol
9 years ago

“And yet women who are raped aren’t allowed to speak out?”

And yet another lie about rape from a feminist.

As you know, the MM are anti false allegations, removing the presumption of innocence and the crimes of a minority being used to stereotype and create hatred for political gain as well as advocating for male victims.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Eoghan, I think there’s definitely a debate to be had over how helpful or accurate it is to accuse someone of being a rape apologist. Your mischaracterization of what most feminists are actually saying is not terribly helpful either, however.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

“And yet women who are raped aren’t allowed to speak out?”

And yet another lie about rape from a feminist.

I can’t find the source of the original quote, but it really sounds like a rhetorical to me.

lol
lol
9 years ago

Captain Bathrobe

“eves list is a bit over the top”

It depends on where you are standing, if you are alright with false allegations and lies about rape as long as they don’t involve going to the police station, it might seem ok or a bit over the top.

If you arent ok with false allegations about rape and abuse full stop, its a Eves list is a mass false allegation about rape.

lol
lol
9 years ago

Captian Bathrobe

Im not mischaracterising what feminists are saying.

Lies about and false allegations about rape and abuse are so ingrained in feminist rhetoric and activism, many feminists don’t realize the seriousness of what they have been conditioned to do or that there is anything wrong, unusual or sinister about it.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

A bit over the top /= OK. C.f., deliberate use of understatement.

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

Okay, I am a god damned feminist, and I was saying that rhetorically. See the question mark?

Also, saying what you just did, and yet claiming that rape culture is completely false and sinister? Double standard, double standard, everyone do the double standard!

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

All right, E, you’re certainly entitled to your own opinion, but saying it doesn’t make it so. Calling out certain actions and attitudes as supportive of rape culture–like most feminists I read–just isn’t the same thing as making a mass false accusation of rape. Your insistence that it is qualifies as the same sort of blanket accusation that you purport to condemn.

It would be much more helpful to state why you believe particular behaviors and attitudes are not supportive of rape culture. Then, we could have real argument instead of simple contradiction.

Laura
Laura
9 years ago

“Its likely more a case of the more lies about rape and rape propaganda misinformation campaigns you are subjected to the more jaded you become.”

Could be that. Or could be I know more about rape than I would ever like to in an ideal world, and you’re an ignorant asshole. Come on, tell me I lied about being raped. No one believed me then, either. Lucky for you that rape accusations barely ever result in a conviction, so I guess my propaganda failed! LOL.
If I was the female equivalent of an MRA I’d have condemned all men, declared them all ‘sinister’ rapists and so on, but luckily I find the idea of considering half the population ‘sinister’ and likely to rape me pretty ridiculous.

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

Also, let me be perfectly clear about my rhetortical question there. You claim that those men are atypical, and better to have a space to vent, despite crying about misandry and claiming all women are sluts and liars, etc. Yet when a woman cries about her rape, even if she’s not saying all men are evil, she is a horrible factor that causing oppression to men.

And the fact that the biggest MRA website is full of these supposedly ‘atypical’ MRA commenters, while larger feminist sites like the one I pointed out have comments sections that are considerably more calm, and articles that do not claim all men are liars and whores. Yet we’re part of this giant false-rape culture.

Not to mention this site right here, where quite a few feminists visit, is somehow not going gangbusters about all the whorish and rapey men. You still have yet to find me a comment on here saying all men are rapists, yet I found, in less then a minute, a post on that article claiming all men are faslely accused of rape.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

I’m sorry Laura, that’s awful. I believe you.

Laura
Laura
9 years ago

“Is there now a man alive who has not at some point been threatened with a Rape or sexual-misconduct allegation?”

Yes. Virtually every man I know, at least.

“As you know, the MM are anti false allegations, removing the presumption of innocence and the crimes of a minority being used to stereotype and create hatred for political gain as well as advocating for male victims.”

That sounds…reasonable. I wish more MRAs had given me that impression. I’d be especially interested to see the MRM campaigns/support for male victims, I think that’s a really important cause as men are much less likely to report 🙂

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

“As you know, the MM are anti false allegations, removing the presumption of innocence and the crimes of a minority being used to stereotype and create hatred for political gain as well as advocating for male victims.”

This would be fine, if so many MRAs weren’t using this, like you are, to demonize feminists and women. This is not a zero-sum game. Removing false allegations, as I’ve pointed out, also helps feminism. Also, ‘crimes of a minority’ depends on how you mean it. If you mean minority of accused, not going to fly. If you mean minority of men, sure. Current count that I saw, at highest, by feminist sources is lower then 1 in 12 men are rapists.

And advocating for male victims of abuse and sexual assault is a great and worthy endeavor. But it becomes not so when it’s coupled to cries against feminism for women’s shelters. The problem here is not the ideological goals in that respect. It is the particular method in which many MRAs act.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

The problem as always is the massively broad definition of rape supported by the State. There is only one type of rape, there is no “grey area.”

The worst and most popular being, “she was drinking” therefore rape has occured. I of course don’t mean being unconcious.

If a woman has been drinking any amount and she makes a concious choice and consents to sex she can later claim he raped her. If she makes a concious choice after drinking to drive and gets into an accident is “he” culpable? If she makes a concious choice after drinking to walk and falls and injures herself is “he” culpable? If she makes a concious choice after drinking to shoplift is “he” culpable?

So if they were both drinking why is “he” culpable for “her” actions if they have sex? Should “he” have known better while “she” didn’t have to know better? “She” is free to engange in sexual relations while they were both drinking, while “he” is liable for both of their actions by “law.”

So when I say feminism is a Marxist hate movement designed to transfer all social, economic and political power from men to women with the State as the ultimate authority, this is just one more example. “His” social power to simply have sex and not be accused of some hideous crime doesn’t exist. It is contingent upon “her feelings” at a later date. Her “consent” can be withdrawn after the fact. “His” economic power is used to defend himself in court. “His” political power has been handed over to the “State” to decide his fate.

Is this man guilty or is this woman a liar? I have no idea. What I do know is that feminists will clamor to have more “laws” written. The grievance industry will grow and the State will gain more power.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Still on moderation am I? Ahh well, I am the “bad man.”

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lol
9 years ago

Nobby

You mentioned “rape culture”, which is a political construct and fear mongering tool – feminism and feminists are the most active abuse and rape culture in our society.

Victims are deemed worthy or unworthy, accepted or turned away on the basis of gender. Abusers of one gender are protected, and abusers of another are used to stereotype the whole gender, politicize and make money, and stereotype society itself.

Abuse itself is stereotyped as gendered. Thats the active abuse culture in our society, feminism. Feminists supporting a false accuser that went on to child abuse and murder without feeling any sort of need to apologize – thats what an abuse culture looks like.

Calls against the feminist abuse culture are justified, as abuse victim shouldn’t be brushed under the carpet and abusers shouldn’t be protected because they aren’t politically useful.

Calls against the feminist system be it legal or support that includes or excludes victims on the basis of their gander are justified.

Calls against the mass false allegations of rape and abuse that feminism uses to fear monger, raise money and votes and spread hate are justified.

Calls to protect society from forces that would further remove the presumption of innocence and so turn the west into an Iran or China are justified.

“by feminist sources is lower then 1 in 12 men are rapists”

If its a feminist source, its likely a false allegation about rape. There is a study that shoes that 4 men out of 100 will use some form of coercion that I cant lay my hand on right now. And women rape men as often as men rape women according to a number of large studies.

The feminist movement relies heavily on false accusations and lies about rape.

Men’s Reports of Nonconsensual Sexual Interactions with Women: Prevalence and Impact
Department of Psychology, University of Potsdam, Potsdam, Germany
Published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior

Two studies examined the prevalence and emotional impact of men’s nonconsensual sexual interactions with women. The first study included a sample of 247 heterosexual men with a mean age of 18.3 years. The second study was a replication with a sample of 153 heterosexual men with a mean age of 22.3 years. All respondents completed a measure of nonconsensual sexual interactions including the use of three aggressive strategies (physical force, exploitation of the man’s incapacitated state, and verbal pressure) and three forms of unwanted sexual contact (kissing/petting, sexual intercourse, and oral sex). In addition, the relationship to the female initiator was explored. For each type of nonconsensual sexual interaction, respondents indicated the affective impact of the experience. In Study 1, 25.1% of respondents reported at least one incident of nonconsensual sex with a woman and 23.9% reported attempts by women to make them engage in nonconsensual sexual activity. In Study 2, the overall prevalence rate for completed nonconsensual sexual interactions was 30.1%, and 23.5% of the men reported attempts at making them engage in nonconsensual sex. In both samples, exploiting the man’s inability to offer resistance was the most frequently reported aggressive strategy. Kissing/petting was the most frequently reported unwanted sexual activity, followed by sexual intercourse and oral sex. Prevalence rates were higher for nonconsensual sex with an (ex-)partner or friend than for nonconsensual sex with an unknown women. Ratings of affective impact revealed that men rated their nonconsensual experiences as moderately upsetting. The findings are discussed in the light of previous studies on men’s unwanted sexual experiences and the extant literature on women’s nonconsensual sexual interactions with men.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t88035m5295g6751/

Predictors of Sexual Coercion AgainstWomen and Men:
A Multilevel, Multinational Study of University Students
Denise A. Hines

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID45-PR45.pdf

Given that feminism is responsible for such an output of false allegations, lies and fear mongering surrounding rape, attacking it is morally correct.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
9 years ago

In fact I do know one man who has been falsely accused of rape. He was jailed, but the charge was dropped for lack of evidence before it was brought to court. Somehow he has managed to retain the belief that not all rape accusations are false. Amazing, isn’t it?

It’s really too bad that our culture supports MRAs and misogynists like Eoghan so much when they falsely assume that their attitudes are representative of all men. If our culture wasn’t a culture that tolerates rape, they would find themselves much more on the fringe. As it is, our culture is shifting towards treating rape as the crime that it is, and so they are reacting as they find themselves being pushed closer and closer to the margins.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
9 years ago

Allow me to translate that into our present-day reality, rather than lol’s fantasy alternate reality.

Victims are deemed worthy or unworthy, accepted or turned away on the basis of gender race, gender, sexual preference, and gender expression. Abusers of one gender who belong to the most privileged classes are protected, so that a black man is more likely to be convicted of rape than a white man. Abusers of another gender with less privilege are used to stereotype whichever class they belong to, e.g., a gay man who rapes a younger man is used as an example to prove that all gay men are dangerous rapists who want to corrupt our children.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
9 years ago

Ah screw it. I don’t have time to correct that post. Serves me right for attempting html tags on my break.

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lol
9 years ago

Sally Strange

You are correct about elements of the christian right that would use a gay pedophile to stereotype all gay men thats an extreme minority with no power – its the same game that feminism has been playing against heterosexual males, using rape and abuse by a minority to stereotype men, masculinity and society, but feminism has power and is pushing for a situation where all a woman has to do is point her finger, its already the case with DV.

And women are the most protected abusers, not white males.

Someone was asking about the article in a voice for men I mentioned, a regular here was doc dropped for making false allegations of rape.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/05/13/the-lighthouse-a-beacon-of-lies/

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Hey Dave. What gives with the “remodification” of my posts. Whilst I was in Rochester working for the past few days I posted one or two posts early in the morning and late a night, and wasn’t on moderation. I guess since I used my laptop is those cases I’ve either been “remodified” or my home desktop IP is still on moderation.

So either let me know why I’ve been put on moderation or take this IP off moderation. Because after the few comments I left ya sure didn’t mention anything about me having “breached” and rules.

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lol
9 years ago

Sally Strange

“Somehow he has managed to retain the belief that not all rape accusations are false. Amazing, isn’t it?”

This is yet another lie about rape by a feminist on tis board. Noone is saying that because there is a culture of false allegations and lies about rape and because feminism and feminists lie about rape, that all rape accusations are false.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Victims are deemed worthy or unworthy, accepted or turned away on the basis of gender. Abusers of one gender are protected, and abusers of another are used to stereotype the whole gender, politicize and make money, and stereotype society itself.

Even if that’s true, it’s not a creation of feminism. Who are these feminists who think female abusers should be let off the hook? I don’t know any. Who are these feminists who deny that men can be victims of domestic violence? I don’t know any.

And that study? Interesting, but not terribly illuminating without a study that made the same inquiries of women and compared their rates of unwanted contact and their reported psychological impact. Please note that “kissing/petting” are included as “unwanted sexual behaviors.” Fair enough, but I’d like to see how many women report being the recipients of similar behaviors on the part of men. Unfortunately, the article costs $34.00 to download in its entirety, so I can’t look at the data more closely.

For what its worth I think male sexual victimization by women has been under-scrutinized, and that it’s higher than most people imagine it to be. Still, context, power relationships, and psychological impact matter as well when assessing the overall problem.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Wow, E, that Paul Elam article doesn’t really show him in a positive light, does it? He comes off like a bit of a thug…and I’m using deliberate understatement again.

Publishing the name and identifying information of a commenter on a blog is very, very different from calling out a public figure about something he writes on his own blog. Christine’s implication that Elam knows about rape from personal experience was over the line, but his response was way out of proportion, as he is as good as inviting his minions to call her up and harass her at work.

Eoghan, is this supposed to support your arguments in some way? Because all I got out of it was that Elam is a fucking creep who is not above attempting to intimidate someone into silence.

“Moderate voice of the MRM” indeed.

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lol
9 years ago

Captain Bathrobe

Well the regular thats making the false allegations about rape comes off as the thug, and Elam looks like some one responding in kind.

Societal illusions and the acceptance of false allegations of rape here would hide the fact that the regular here, is the villain in the story.

It was in fact the regular here was the one attempting to intimidate into silence with the false allegations of rape.

“Even if that’s true, it’s not a creation of feminism. Who are these feminists who think female abusers should be let off the hook? I don’t know any. Who are these feminists who deny that men can be victims of domestic violence? I don’t know any”.

Feminism falsifies data and research that hides female abuse, feminists are given the false information about abuse being mainly gendered and they believe it and repeat it, thats how the feminist abuse culture works.

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

First, the study. A sample size of 400 is small, espeically compared to US department of justice statistics. However, using those same type of studies, survey based self-reporting, the number for women comes out very, very high. At least 25, some have even gone to 40%. Mostly those statistics are not used, because the methodology is not well backed up. Using larger sample sizes and better methodology leads to smaller numbers. But again, since you think (and have yet to back up with evidence) that feminism is bad and wrong, your study is fine while the feminist study showing higher is bad.

‘You mentioned “rape culture”, which is a political construct and fear mongering tool – feminism and feminists are the most active abuse and rape culture in our society.’ But again, claiming that we’re a huge conspiracy promoting false rape allegations is perfectly fine. Especially if you don’t back that claim with viable sources.

“Victims are deemed worthy or unworthy, accepted or turned away on the basis of gender. Abusers of one gender are protected, and abusers of another are used to stereotype the whole gender, politicize and make money, and stereotype society itself.” And yet, right on that spearhead article, the woman is being lambasted for being a woman, yet that is somehow different. Again, not zero sum. A feminist helping a woman is not attacking men. Attacking women is, well, attacking women.

“Abuse itself is stereotyped as gendered. Thats the active abuse culture in our society, feminism. Feminists supporting a false accuser that went on to child abuse and murder without feeling any sort of need to apologize – thats what an abuse culture looks like.” Show me where that happened.

“Calls against the feminist abuse culture are justified, as abuse victim shouldn’t be brushed under the carpet and abusers shouldn’t be protected because they aren’t politically useful.” Sentence doesn’t parse, but I think you’re saying “femiminism doesn’t help everyone, so it’s wrong!” Sorry, not zero sum. Why aren’t you in haiti helping poor children who are dying? Because you choose where to direct your efforts.

Rest is mostly blah blah attacks on feminism with no credible sources, i feel no need to respond.

“If its a feminist source, its likely a false allegation about rape. There is a study that shoes that 4 men out of 100 will use some form of coercion that I cant lay my hand on right now.” See, right the fuck there. “It’s feminist, therefore it’s wrong”. No. period. Show me evidence, as I have shown you. I would like to see that study, really. Because AS I SAID, that is the highest estimate I have found. HIGHEST. That means others are lower! Words, they have meanings!

“The feminist movement relies heavily on false accusations and lies about rape.” Blahdy blah, baseless accusations with no evidence blah.

And for your second paper, lets actually read it!

“For example, when forced touching of sexual parts was in-
cluded as part of the definition, approximately 25–33% of
college women reported experiencing such behaviors”

“Specifically, by both men’s and women’s reports, the rates of verbal sexual coercion against men by women are consistently estimated to be between 10 and 20% (e.g., Aizenman & Kelley, 1988; Anderson, 1998; Baier et al., 1991; Burke et al., 1988; Fiebert & Tucci, 1998; Krah´e et al., 2003; Lottes, 1991; Stets & Pirog-Good, 1989; Struckman-Johnson, 1988; Struckman-Johnson & Struckman-Johnson, 1994), whereas physically forced sexual intercourse by women against men is estimated to be between 1 and 3%”

Well, lets see, we have a 25-33% of women, a rate much higher then the one usually used by feminists (1 in 6), and a lower rate for men, only 10-20%. So, what were you trying to say? because no one here ever said men can not be victimized.

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

No, Elam is the thug for forcibly showing off information on the regular who had given no permission to use it. Elam, on the other hand, has given out said information publically already. Saying ‘i did it, so I’m going to do it to you’ is no damned defense. If i punch myself in the shoulder, am I somehow allowed to punch you? If i were to put my adress up here, does that give me the right to track down your information, if I can, and post it here? Because you’ve been heavily insulting to me, and personally claimed I am implicitly involved in false rape allegations, seeing as I’m a feminist.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Feminism falsifies data and research that hides female abuse, feminists are given the false information about abuse being mainly gendered and they believe it and repeat it, thats how the feminist abuse culture works.

And your evidence for this is…? How have feminists falsified data or hidden evidence? Disagreement is not the same as falsification.

Also, Elam’s actions were far more thuggish than Christine’s. Her remarks weren’t intended to get Elam fired nor were they intended to foment a campaign of harassment or intimidation. Also, she’s not a public figure and he most definitely is. An appropriate response from Elam would have been to visit this blog and challenge her to provide proof or be called a liar. Calling her out by her screen name on his own blog would also have been acceptable. But posting her picture, real name, and work phone number with an incitement to harass her at her place of work dwarfs anything Christine said or did. He’s not “responding in kind,” he’s responding to a water pistol with a bazooka.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

g-d html fail…

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

NWOslave: If a woman has been drinking any amount and she makes a concious choice and consents to sex she can later claim he raped her.

Why you always lying, Slavey? This has been refuted again and again here. Read your state’s statutes. Read any state’s statutes and tell me where it says that a woman cannot consent if she has had one drink. (Hint: That is not law in any state.) There is a grain of truth to what you say, though. A woman could indeed walk into a police station and say, “I was raped. I had one drink, and I consented to sex, and now I’ve changed my mind and decided to revoke my consent. Please lock him up.” She can make that claim, sure — she would just not be taken seriously under that fact pattern.

This is one instance of the MRM doing harm to its followers. They have lied to you, and you believe it, despite the utter lack of real-world evidence to back up their lie. Unbelievable.

Captain Bathrobe: YES. Thank you. I’ve been creeped out by that post since I read it. I don’t want to go back to read it again, because it’s actually disturbing; but I’m happy to see that it struck you in exactly the same way that it struck me.

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lol
9 years ago

Nobby

If you are providing feminist sources, they are not credible, feminism is in the business of making false allegations about rape and abuse.

The second study I gave you is the “nd most comprehensive study to date to investigate these issues, in that there were data on sexual coercion and revictimization on both men and women from 38 sites around the world”

You can see a break down of it here..

http://feck-blog.blogspot.com/2011/05/predictors-of-sexual-coercion-against.html

As for Elams response to the false rape accuser. I think that its warranted, men have to start responding to the false rape accusation culture and calling feminists out on their false allegations about rape and abuse. Even if your main concern is women, its in the best interests of women to call out feminists that throw false accusations of rape and abuse around like confetti, how much damage have the feminists on this thread alone done to the credibility of rape victims with the repetitive lies about rape? Think about it.

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lol
9 years ago

Captain Bathrobe

You condone false accusations of rape because you are in a culture (feminism) that encourages it, not everyone sees a false allegation of rape as a water pistol, especially not those that have been killed, tortured, raped, burned at the stake, lost everything or killed themselves because of a false allegation of rape.

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

I read the damn study, lol, and I picked out a part of it that is directly counter to your claims. I never made any allegation that it was a bad study. Answer me based on what I said.

I refuse to debate any further. Take that as you will, but you have provided a total of four links. One is a feminist who i even disagreed with, but still a feminist so everything there much be lies anyway. One link is to Elam’s rediculous attack on a woman and purporting physical violence should be done. And two are research, one of which helps my case, and one we can’t readm goes counter to the second, more hig-profile paper, and has challenges in methodology.

I cannot debate with someone who says everything but what they believe is lies. It cannot be done, and I am tired of shouting at a wall. If you decide to change and actually respond to what I said and what i linked in a rational manner, i will do the same. but until then I have no interest in talking to someone who claims my very existence is a lie.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Lol: As for Elams response to the false rape accuser. I think that its warranted, men have to start responding to the false rape accusation culture and calling feminists out on their false allegations about rape and abuse.

Was what the Manboobz commenter said an accusation/allegation, or was it an insinuation/implication? I would say it’s the latter, meriting a different approach than one might take with an actual accusation. I would also say that “calling out” =/ real-life harassment.

how much damage have the feminists on this thread alone done to the credibility of rape victims with the repetitive lies about rape?

None? What are you talking about? Where are these credibility-damaging repetitive lies?

nunya
nunya
9 years ago

Well the regular thats making the false allegations about rape comes off as the thug, and Elam looks like some one responding in kind.

I don’t see the statement the poster made as a “false allegation/accusation”. It’s just an opinion that the poster wouldn’t be surprised “if”. It doesn’t even meet the definition of defamation. Obviously, the poster did not state as a “fact” that he was a rapist. There are several MRA’s I wouldn’t be surprised if they were abusers or rapists based on certain things they have written. I’d bet there are multitudes of people who have low opinions of several MRA’s, including Elam. And you know, we’re all entitled to our opinions, our right to free speech, and all that. He doesn’t hold back on his low opinions of people. He has the right to express them – and so does everyone else.

Pecunium
9 years ago

lol: You pointed to the top post as an refutation of, “The MRA’s are already accusing the alleged victim in the DSK case of being a liar”.

You said that post shows, The Spearhead is saying that the woman is likely telling the truth, which is true… for the single guy who wrote it. The comments there, however, support the contention that MRAs are accusing the accuser of being a liar.

Note also that the person you are saying is wrong, is using the words, “alleged victim.” Kendra is giving the accused the benefit of the doubt, in direct contradiction of your accusation of “all the lies” in this one thread.

As to lies. Your link to “A man is a rape supporter if” is a lie. Thats not an allegation of rape. It’s an accusation of supporting rapists. That’s a lot different.

BUt you want to have it all ways. The Spearhead is representative of the MRA movement, but most MRA suporters won’t have anything to do with the comments there, and would rather it wasn’t there.

Nonsense. If they really felt that way they would do what happens here. They’d read the posts and make comments. If they disliked a comment they’d downvote it, thus making it clear that the MRA community doesn’t agree with that sort of thing and thus discouraging it.

But they don’t.

Because they don’t. This is like anit… show me the MRA sites that aren’t festering swamps in the comments sections. If you can’t, explain to me how I am supposed to know that 1: “its still a minority and the bulk of mras would rather that commentary wasn’t there in the first place and 2: how you can support that while contending that rapes aren’t underreported the same way that MRA types who aren’t the misogynist asshats in the comments at MRA blogs are the minority (that it, “underreported).

lol
lol
9 years ago

Nobby, I’m not claiming “that your very existence is a lie”.

If you have been lead to believe that your existence is defined by a left wing political construct that constructs and uses misinformation about rape and abuse as a platform to fear monger and rabble rouse, the problem is with the construct, not you or me.

lol
lol
9 years ago

Pecunium

If you only read the selected comments from the spearhead and mgtow, thats all you will see. I take it you know what Plato’s cave

Whats more, men that have been abused by women, in a culture that excludes and mocks them and have been caught up in a legal system that apparently aids and abets their abusers, have every right to be angry.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Captain Bathrobe

You condone false accusations of rape because you are in a culture (feminism) that encourages it, not everyone sees a false allegation of rape as a water pistol, especially not those that have been killed, tortured, raped, burned at the stake, lost everything or killed themselves because of a false allegation of rape.

See, now I think you’re just being willfully obtuse. Either that, or you’re the world’s biggest drama queen–or, if you like, drama king.

Pecunium
9 years ago

lol: Ah… the “culture = poltical construct” argument.

When we all know that ‘misandrist culture” is a political construct of the male supremacist movement, meant to convince men who have no actual idea of what the culture they grew up in actually requires to maintain itself and can be convinced an increase in equality is actually a foul supression of, “men’s natural rights”, brought about by the radical, and evil-minded, feminists who want to emasculate all boys; so the false idea that women are just as intelligent and capable as men can be eradicated and everyone will be happy again, just like they were before women got the vote, and the pill, and the right to have a bank account, and live without a man to clean up and put out for whenever he was in the mood.

Life is What You Make It
Life is What You Make It
9 years ago

Speaking of Elam, in a post titled “No Means No. Sure, Whatever.” he’s defending young men in a Yale fraternity who were banned from recruiting or activities on campus for five years for chanting “No means yes, yes means anal,” and,” “My name is Jack, I’m a necrophiliac[sic], I f*ck dead women.”.

Whacked.

lol
lol
9 years ago

Pecunium

“so the false idea that women are just as intelligent and capable as men”.

You need to learn what the mens movement is, the mens movement position is that women should be treated like and held to the same standards as men, and that we should embrace equality as in equal opportunity and equality under the law, thats why its at odds with feminism which preaches a modified form of chivalry.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@Bee…Under Penal Code 261 one of the provisions for determining rape is “too intoxicated to consent to the activity,”

You said there was no law. You either lied or were in error. The “law” says “too intoxicated” and not “incapacitated.” What constitutes too intoxicated? If a woman the next day “feels” she was “too intoxicated” to legally consent reguardless of the amount she drank than a “rape” must have occured, since there is no specific blood alchohol content specified as “too intoxicated.”

Well, theres your “law.” I’m not saying the vast majority of women would ever do this. However if a mere 1/10th of one percent of women use this law a year in this country thats 160 thousand a year. So over a 40 year period that 6.4 million men who have been or have had an attempted incarceration levied against them. This means there will always be a minimum of at least 4% of the population of men who have had this done to them. And this is just one law.

Now I highly doubt MRAs were beating down the white house door to enact this law. So who was it? The State will of course be more than happy to gain all that power.