Some highlights, by which I mean lowlights, of a recent discussion on The Spearhead of IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest on sexual assault charges. The Spearheaders, naturally, have some unique and interesting perspectives on the case:
Black women (like the accuser) are all a bunch of liars. Run away!
Reality May 18, 2011 at 11:04
I knew it was going to be a black woman- I suspected from the second I heard about this. Crystal Magnum anyone? Don’t want to make this a racial issue- but how can you avoid it? You take 5 ounces of Female/Feminist hate and deception, add 8 ounces of the stereotypical black thing of always sniffing around for a lawsuit, stir .. and you have more than enough reason to avoid black women even more vigorously than women in general.
The case is somehow all about how badly “beta” men are discriminated against by evil women:
Commander Shepard May 18, 2011 at 11:53
Typically false rape allegations are made when a woman realizes she’s slept with a beta but doesn’t want her rep taking a hit and wants to avoid feeling like crap (betas are icky) my gut tells me either this is a totally fabricated set up (politically motivated) or Strauss-Kahn is getting a lesson in how betas have to apologize everyday for their existence.
She’s accusing him because she’s got AIDS and therefore (?) wants to make a quick buck, ethics be damned:
Avenger May 18, 2011 at 18:55 …
Since she has AIDS she knows that an infection could take her out at any time and she has a teenage daughter. A person like this will certainly not think like a normal person and may very well do something for a lump sum of cash since she has nothing to lose and may have some resentment towards men and doesn’t care what happens to this one guy. She also may be thinking that if she dies at least her daughter will have the money. This is not someone I would trust. …
I predict that Strauss will be released on bail tomorrow. He’ll pay the female’s lawyer some money and then the whole thing will just fade away.
He’s probably innocent, but he’s a white-hating Commie Jew bastard, so ha ha:
goldenfetus May 18, 2011 at 09:57
Libertarian here. I doubt this guy is guilty. Seems unlikely, yet possible. But as observed, this guy is a White-hating elite Marxist Jew. So while I agree that political disagreement is not sufficient grounds for wishing false-rape accusation/conviction on him, I submit that his hostility toward my people coupled with his general evil is enough to justify the enjoyment of his suffering. We can’t forget that his politics are what makes this possible in the first place, or ignore the ‘reap what you sow’ component here.
As a white guy, I’d like to say that goldenfetus does not in fact speak for “my people.”
And before anyone steps in to complain that I’ve picked the “outliers” in the discussions, the fanatics whose opinions aren’t shared by the MRA masses, I will note that (as is generally the case with Spearhead comments I quote) all of the comments here have gotten numerous upvotes from Spearhead readers, and only a handful of downvotes, if any. In other words, they represent something close to the Spearhead conventional wisdom. (And by “wisdom” here I mean “offensive idiocy.”)
Actually, lol, the joke’s on you for having a such an impressive martyr complex that you actually think being called a rape apologist puts you on a par with someone who has had to face false criminal charges of rape. Your screen name is quite appropriate.
SWGM said:
I’m guessing the MRA “logic” on that one is that if, after he “seduced” her, she wasn’t wowed enough by his prowess, power, persistence, and wealth to not go to the cops, then he must be a Beta. Cuz’ if he were a true Alpha, she’d have been begging for his number afterward, or something equally disturbing.
Cap’n B, I believe lol’s full name is lol omg wtf. He prefers to go by Mr. wtf.
Innocent till proven guilty.
Skepticism, always.
Like the skepticism displayed about that woman in the DV video?
Like the skepticism displayed about that woman in the DV video?Um, that’s probably not the best counter-example… for all that was potentially edited out of that video, or just not filmed at all, about the only way it would turn out that she wasn’t beating on that guy would be if it turned out the whole thing was staged and they were actors.But yeah, the double-standard some people are exhibiting is… I don’t know if “insulting” or “disgusting” is the better word.
Um, that’s probably not the best counter-example… for all that was potentially edited out of that video, or just not filmed at all, about the only way it would turn out that she wasn’t beating on that guy would be if it turned out the whole thing was staged and they were actors.But yeah, the double-standard some people are exhibiting is… I don’t know if “insulting” or “disgusting” is the better word.
Crap, I didn’t think it had posted the first time. Sorry about that.
Okay, I’ll admit it–I see Marge Simpson tied to a bed with boxing gloves on her breasts and a hand puppet covering her crotch. Also, she’s saying, “Oh no!” Probably in the style of Mr. Bill.
I’m not sure what that’s supposed to say about me. Maybe that I’m the sort of person who wishes we all lived in a world where rich douchebags didn’t think they could sexually assault women.
But OHSHIII, he said skepticism always. It hasn’t been proven to us, beyond doubt, that she’s guilty, therefore we should be skeptical and assume the guy somehow framed her.
<i?Innocent till proven guilty.
Before the bar. In the court of public opnion the verdict need not be the same as the legal one. I am of a vey mixed mind on this, but I can thing of any number of cases where the accused was acquitted, and the verdict of the the populace was against them.
Lizzie Borden, to name one which is probably not too controversial.
I am allowed to make my own conclusions. Right now I don’t know enough to come to one. Here is what I do know. 1: She made a complaint. 2: The complaint had enough merit that the NYPD arrested the person she accused. 3: The complaint hade enough merit the DA went to the grand jury. 4: The grand jury decided there was enough evidence to move it to trial.
The last is the only one which has any questions, since in a civilian (as opposed to military) grand jury the accused has no right to present evidence in response to the DA’s office.
But that’s what I know. What I think is I don’t know enough to say more than, I hope the truth comes out at trial.
I can say that were I empaneled for the case (not likely as I am a California resident, and moving to New Jersey in a couple of months, not NYC), I would be as able to presume him not guilty until enough evidence to preclude a reasonable doubt was presented.
Which standard I also apply to allegations of false accusation of rape.
Captain Bathrobe
You said “you actually think being called a rape apologist puts you on a par with someone who has had to face false criminal charges of rape.”
I actually said “Thats right there is a difference between being called a rapist and an abuser, part of an abusers lobby, a rape apologist etc on the internet and being falsely accused of rape or abuse in court/reported to the police”.
See how your statement is a blatant lie about something I said about false rape accusations?
This is why people are jaded with feminisms endless lies and false accusations about rape and abuse, the sheer repetition and apparent complete lack of self awareness that feminists have about their incessant false allegations and insinuations.
This is you – “I know, I’ll attempt to counter an argument against feminisms over reliance on false allegations and lies about rape, by falsely accusing my opponent of saying something he didn’t say about false allegations about rape”.
Lol, I like that you left out the next part of your quote:
Which suggests you do see the two very different types of “accusations” — internet namecalling, and accusations of criminal behavior to police — to be on a par with one another.
Then of course this bit, which echoes stuff you’ve said before, draws zero distinction between these two very different kinds of “accusations.”
Internet namecalling is not the same as “false allegation.” If it is, then I could accuse you of “false allegations” for things you’ve said about me, and for suggesting that CB was “lying” about you, etc etc.
Also, LOL, I’m about 99.9% sure you’re Eoghan.
Lol:
Eoghan:
http://manboobz.com/2010/11/22/comments-policy-updated/comment-page-1/#comment-2591
Do you have a macro for the phrase “false allegations and insinuations?” Probably should have updated it for the new internet persona.
Feminists making false allegations of or about rape and abuse, whether its through factoids, advocacy research, rape culture propaganda, name-calling, attempting to shut down debate or whatever … is clearly a different thing to walking into a police station and doing it, not on a par in terms of damage to the target, but they are all false allegations of or about rape and the more there are of those, the more jaded people become.
Funny, the more people are raped, the more jaded I become. Lucky you’re so preoccupied with false accusations, huh.
Laura
Its likely more a case of the more lies about rape and rape propaganda misinformation campaigns you are subjected to the more jaded you become.
“As a serving policeman, there are several things I am not allowed to talk about.
There are plenty of operational secrets we cannot discuss, but I’m not referring to those. I’m talking about the taboo subjects. The ‘detection’ rate for rape is one of these.
It’s very frustrating to sit and listen to pundits talking about the low number of rape convictions in Court, when as police officers we all know what lies behind these poor numbers.
For example, I couldn’t possibly tell you that out of every ten rapes which are reported in Ruraltown, at least eight turn out to be nonsense. To be fair, eight out of ten of everything reported at Ruraltown police station is nonsense, why should rape be any different?
I couldn’t tell you that of the remaining two, an existing alcohol-fuelled chaotic drug-based relationship is a factor in at least one of these, and ‘consent’ is probably present in the other to some degree. In my whole service I can only recall three stranger rapes and a half a dozen where consent was withdrawn at the time and he carried on. But I can’t tell you that.
I can’t tell you that most of the adult rapes reported in Ruraltown represent either the latest in a series of allegations designed to score points against an ‘ex, lies designed to fend off an angry parent when a curfew has been missed or a defence mechanism when a jilted ‘partner’ discovers an infidelity.”
http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/when-is-a-rape-not-a-rape-shock/
I wonder how high the burden of proof would have to be to satisfy MRAs in rape cases? I guess it’s also probably something along the lines of “Because I say so,” since that seems to be the only standard of measurement used in MRA fantasy land.
Tofu
Are alleging that mens rights activists are interested in a free pass to rape as opposed to standards of evidence in line with other crimes and the standard human right of innocent until proven guilty?
@JP @50: I’m sure you’re right. I’m just trying to understand the thought processes at work here. These people seem to base a great deal of their worldview on who’s an alpha and who’s a beta, so they must have some personal criteria, however vague and unexamined, for what those things mean.
@tn @68: Don’t forget the next step. Even if a particular incident is acknowledged as rape, you then have to prove that the bitch didn’t deserve it. After all, she might have been dressed wrong, or walking wrong, or otherwise flaunting her sexy, sexy sandwich before poor, sex-starved men.
Lol, if you really are Eoghan… I see that back in January you tried to get Spearhead commenters to tone down some of their extreme rhetoric because you were concerned that it would attract unwanted attention (which it has). It was just a strategic concern rather than an ideological one (I believe). And even that was hit with a wall of crazy. Your comments were downvoted and you were compared to a Nazi collaborator, and also threatened. Obliquely, but still. Might this give you a clue? Guys that believe that marriage is equivalent to the Nazi Holocaust are, to put it mildly, not playing with a full deck.
Innocent till proven guilty.
Unless you report your rape. Then you are automatically guilty of making a false rape accusation. AMIRITE!?
lol, The MRA’s are already accusing the alleged victim in the DSK case of being a liar. Why isn’t she considered innocent until proven guilty of making a false allegation? It’s a double standard here. A man accused of rape is automatically assumed to be framed, an victim of a feminist conspiracy. The woman is branded a liar from the start without even considering any evidence she has to back up her claims.
If there was real evidence that she was a liar paid off by political enemies, then she deserves her own trial by her peers where she is also presumed innocent until proven guilty. Nobody has made any charges like that against her, so the MRA’s saying this are pulling it out of the air.
None of us know who is telling the truth. That will be up to the members of the jury to decide. Even if false allegations of rape are rampant, that has nothing to do with this individual case. Other cases of false allegations are totally irrelevant to DSK and the accuser. We should withhold our judgments until the jury hears the facts and makes a decision.
@lol you know what’s even better then the punblic declaring themselves jury and judge? The police handling your case, handling witnesses, taking testimony, and handling evidence, declaring themselves jury and judge! And people wonder why women may be afraid to report rape?
Also, feminists are quite aware that ‘stranger rape’ is a low occurrence, and that acquaintance rape is far more common. Just another reason that ‘women should dress less sexy!’ is a load of crap.
Also, sorry, but one random cop’s story does not data make. So he has a sleepy town, great for him, he should be proud. This doesn’t mean that what occurs there occurs everywhere. Get a grip. You know what, I’ve never known a single person to get falsely accused out of my friends. Is this because I have a biased sample set and am not considering the full picture? Nah, it means that false rape accusations never happen!