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Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest: A Rorschach test for misogynists

Looks like another evil lying bitch, doc.

Some highlights, by which I mean lowlights, of a recent discussion on The Spearhead of IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest on sexual assault charges. The Spearheaders, naturally, have some unique and interesting perspectives on the case:

Black women (like the accuser) are all a bunch of liars. Run away!

Reality May 18, 2011 at 11:04

I knew it was going to be a black woman- I suspected from the second I heard about this. Crystal Magnum anyone? Don’t want to make this a racial issue- but how can you avoid it? You take 5 ounces of Female/Feminist hate and deception, add 8 ounces of the stereotypical black thing of always sniffing around for a lawsuit, stir .. and you have more than enough reason to avoid black women even more vigorously than women in general.

The case is somehow all about how badly “beta” men are discriminated against by evil women:

Commander Shepard May 18, 2011 at 11:53

Typically false rape allegations are made when a woman realizes she’s slept with a beta but doesn’t want her rep taking a hit and wants to avoid feeling like crap (betas are icky) my gut tells me either this is a totally fabricated set up (politically motivated) or Strauss-Kahn is getting a lesson in how betas have to apologize everyday for their existence.

She’s accusing him because she’s got AIDS and therefore (?) wants to make a quick buck, ethics be damned:

Avenger May 18, 2011 at 18:55

Since she has AIDS she knows that an infection could take her out at any time and she has a teenage daughter. A person like this will certainly not think like a normal person and may very well do something for a lump sum of cash since she has nothing to lose and may have some resentment towards men and doesn’t care what happens to this one guy. She also may be thinking that if she dies at least her daughter will have the money. This is not someone I would trust. …

I predict that Strauss will be released on bail tomorrow. He’ll pay the female’s lawyer some money and then the whole thing will just fade away.

He’s probably innocent, but he’s a white-hating Commie Jew bastard, so ha ha:

goldenfetus May 18, 2011 at 09:57

Libertarian here. I doubt this guy is guilty. Seems unlikely, yet possible. But as observed, this guy is a White-hating elite Marxist Jew. So while I agree that political disagreement is not sufficient grounds for wishing false-rape accusation/conviction on him, I submit that his hostility toward my people coupled with his general evil is enough to justify the enjoyment of his suffering. We can’t forget that his politics are what makes this possible in the first place, or ignore the ‘reap what you sow’ component here.

As a white guy, I’d like to say that goldenfetus does not in fact speak for “my people.”

And before anyone steps in to complain that I’ve picked the “outliers” in the discussions, the fanatics whose opinions aren’t shared by the MRA masses, I will note that (as is generally the case with Spearhead comments I quote) all of the comments here have gotten numerous upvotes from Spearhead readers, and only a handful of downvotes, if any. In other words, they represent something close to the Spearhead conventional wisdom. (And by “wisdom” here I mean “offensive idiocy.”)

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ScareCrow P-Man
10 years ago

FIRST!

I think?

You have to admit. The facts in the case look screwy.

Do not misunderstand – I am not backing up the white supremacists on the spearhead.

However, the call to 911 took place 1 hour after Strauss left the hotel.

No rape occurred – he tried to rape her is the exact allegation.

This means that no DNA evidence can be obtained since no rape actually occurred.

And – she will get money whether he is found guilty anyway.

Read the story on the telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8524881/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-former-IMF-head-bailed.html

Kes
Kes
10 years ago

Hmmm… sounds to me like SOMEone hasn’t yet learned that it is possible to have DNA in cells other than sperm. Such as skin cells, which might lodge under finger nails during a protracted struggle. Or hair follicles, which become dislodged during the aforementioned altercation.

Or blood, also often the bi-product of a violent attack. Or maybe, just maybe, ejaculation outside of the vagina or a woman? A shocking possibility, I know, but one we are forced to consider.

In future, I recommend seeking treatment for cranial-anal infarction. It can be fatal if left untended for too long. An uncle of mine went that way. It was dreadful to watch.

Seraph
Seraph
10 years ago

Can someone explain to me how the head of the IMF, a man with a serious reputation as a “seducer”, counts as a “Beta”?

zombie rotten mcdonald
10 years ago

IANAL, just a run-of-the-mill zombie here, but I am pretty sure that attempted rape is still a crime….

zombie rotten mcdonald
10 years ago

Aaaaannnnnd….Seraph beats me to my second comment! Well played.

zombie rotten mcdonald
10 years ago

No rape occurred – he tried to rape her is the exact allegation.

One of the allegations is that he forced her to perform a sex act. The DA says that nothing consensual occurred in the hotel room.

A non-consensual sex act is rape.

Sheesh, if only there was an extended discussion of this recently to which one could refer….

ScareCrow P-Man
10 years ago

@donald zombie thing –

Well, I meant no SEX occurred.

Sounds convenient to me.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

Does it matter if there was no PiV penetration?

Dude allegedly made her do something she didn’t want to do. That counts as assault. If it was a sex act, it’s sexual assault. There’s more to sex than just PiV, and forcing anyone to do any of that is sexual assault, which we also know by the term ‘rape’. The story said she fought him off as well, so I expect that there was more than enough evidence to at least prove that they struggled.

And I can think of a bunch of things that she would have wanted to do directly after the assault that would explain a one hour gap in between the event and calling 911. Why do *you* think it’s suspicious?

lol
lol
10 years ago

IMO, there is most likely a political or financial motive behind this, outside of all the false allegations and political rape lies that go on, its atill suspicious.

Can you imagine if a plumber working a Hilary Clinton’s house just alleged that she did something and then she was had to resign assumed guilty?

Anyway, I like to read Mike Whitney and here’s his take on it..

“I have no way of knowing whether the 32-year-old maid who claims she was attacked and forced to perform oral sex on IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn, is telling the truth or not. I’ll leave that to the braying hounds in the media who have already assumed the role of judge, jury and Lord High Executioner. But I will say, the whole matter smells rather fishy, just like the Eliot Spitzer story smelled fishy. Spitzer, you may recall, was Wall Street’s biggest adversary and a likely candidate to head the SEC, a position at which he would have excelled. In fact, there’s no doubt in my mind that if Spitzer had been appointed to lead the SEC, most of the top investment bankers on Wall Street would presently be making license plates and rope-soled shoes at the federal penitentiary…..
Rest here ht tp://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article28159.html

mediumdave
mediumdave
10 years ago

It’s interesting that so many people, including the liberal Matt Yglesias are taking a political tack on this situation. Granted, Matt Y is a political blogger. Occam’s Razor says that this is exactly what it appears to be: A powerful man thinking he can abuse a low-status woman with impunity, but being too foolish (or arrogant) to remember that he wasn’t at home.

That lol doesn’t see a difference between a consensual indiscretion and a sexual assault, well…

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

Seriously, an hour isn’t that long. She could’ve just needed the hour to collect herself after a traumatizing experience.

@lol
So what you’re claiming is that somebody paid off a maid to fake injuries and accuse him of sexual assault? Or that the maid had a personal grudge against this guy for some reason or another? Sounds more than a bit far-fetched to me.
As for your Hilary Clinton example, I would say if she really had committed a crime against him, and there was enough evidence to support this, then she should be held accountable. Just because someone is rich and/or influential doesn’t mean they’re above the law.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

Spitzer. Ah, Spitzer. Such a tragedy. No, seriously, I really liked him. I don’t even really care that he was entertaining prostitutes. It’s the hypocrisy that did him in. And I’m pretty convinced that had he not been gunning for the big banks, the chances of his hushing up his law-breaking and infidelity would have been much higher.

But there’s little resemblance between Spitzer and DSK. Spitzer’s encounters were consensual, and it was his hypocrisy–trying to prosecute prostitution rings at the same time as he was patronizing them–that was the fatal blow to his career.

If the allegations against DSK are true, then he’s a violent criminal. That’s a far worse failing than hypocrisy.

I imagine, if the plumber had to go to the hospital for injuries sustained while fighting off a violent attack by Hillary Clinton, and brought charges against her that were substantiated by surveillance cameras, eyewitnesses, and physical evidence, she’d probably have to resign too. But then I have an irrational ladybrain, so who knows…

spitfire
spitfire
10 years ago

Seraph got to it first. Calling one of the political elite with a gazillion bucks who helps run the world AND is known for being a millionaire a bata – even in the sense of the word when used with animal behavior – is ridiculous.

Also, if she IS lying (which I don’t believe) it will probably come out in a trial. It’s not as though Dominique Strauss-Kahn is a pauper who will have terrible lawyers. He’s not going to be convicted without being proven guilty (and he easily could be but we don’t know yet) If he’s not he’ll return to a life in French politics and MRAs will cheer about having a martyr (ignoring the fact that his life won’t be harmed by a false accusation). If he is then the rest of us can be relieved to see someone finally take an immigrant woman seriously while the MRAs continue to bitch about how it was all a lie despite all clear evidence.

spitfire
spitfire
10 years ago

*known for being a womanizer NOT known for being a millionaire. Though he probably is known for that too.

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

@Scarecrow and @lol here’s the main problem with what both of you are saying: None of us here have the full story. Plain and simple, we do not have the evidence. So saying things like ‘it sounds screwy’ is just sorta premature. The courts are the ones that are going to get the full story, not us. And you’ll notice that no one on here at least is saying ‘well, obviously he’s guilty’. Worst we have is “i don’t think she’s lying”, which i think isn’t all the justified (for the same reasons), but that’s the worst. There are a number of reasons possible for the ‘screwy’ details, which the courts will undoubtedly hear.

Also, how no PiV sex occurring is ‘convenient’ is beyond me. Especially since the current story says he forced her into oral sex, in which case there’s still that DNA evidence, along with the others Kes mentioned.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

It’s amazing to me, though not at all surprising, that these MRAs are completely willing to buy into any out-there conspiracy that explains these accusations — except that DSK attacked and tried to rape a woman, and she reported the attack to the police. Literally there is nothing in the world that is less conceivable to some MRAs than that a woman could tell the truth about her rape.

Which is odd, because — as we’ve seen in recent days here — MRM theory also is heavily invested in the idea that rapes do happen because women ask for it so much and don’t control their sexuality. So, rapes kinda happen, maybe. But reported rapes are always false. Or something. Jesus, my head hurts. The “logic,” it’s so painful.

lol
lol
10 years ago

Well

we have the biases here, feminists will generally rally around a criminal if the criminal is female and the victim is male and mens rights people, because of over exposure to lies about rape will tend to take rape claims with a pinch of salt, there isn’t an MRA that hasn’t been falsely accused of being a rapist or abuser in one way or another..

Rape is more of a political weapon than anything else, progressive lynchings, feminism, Assange …

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

NWOslave and lol… what if it *is* true? What if it all happened, exactly the way the accuser said it did? What happens then?

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

@lol Wait, what? First, there isn’t an MRA that hasn’t been falsely accused of being a rapist orr abuser? Can you back that up, because that seems a bit of hyperbole there, gotta say. Though, i have to admit with most of their opinions on women I wouldn’t be surprised if many are abusers, but that’s besides the point.

More importantly, Rape is a political weapon? We have two high profile cases in a year (maybe longer? I can’t remember when Assange came up), as opposed to the ~200,000 cases of sexual assault per year. Numbers suggest it has very little to do with politics.

And progressive lynchings? What? What does that even mean?

Also, considering that every commenter on this site rallied around the guy in that DV article, your first point is kinda moot.

lol
lol
10 years ago

Nobby

I’ve been an mra for 4 years and Ive been accused of being a rapist, an abuser, part of an abusers lobby, a rape apologist etc countless times, and many times on this blog.

As for progressive lynchings, before feminism was using rape fear mongering and rape as a political platform, progressive democrats were using it in the same way against black men, during the progressive era, feminism does the same thing today, its just more sophisticated and no longer race specific.

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

What does a ‘progressive lynching’ mean? I haven’t seen a whole lot of real lynchings lately, gotta say, so please define the term.

Rape apologist /= rapist, first of all. very different concept. Same with ‘abusers lobby’. And that still doesn’t equate to ‘every MRA has been accused of being a rapist or abuser’. Also, considering we’re talking about an actual rape case here, saying that they have been ‘falsely accused’ carries a very different meaning then someone on a blog calling you names.

darksidecat
darksidecat
10 years ago

Damn do those comments show a complete and total failure to comprehend the basics of the criminal law system. This guy was charged criminally, not sued civilly. That means the victim does not stand to get money from the court case, that the case cannot be settled by the victim for money, and that the state’s prosecutor is the lawyer who could give a plea bargain not the victim’s counsel (if she even had one). We do not make the perps pay cash to the victims in criminal cases-that is not how the US criminal law system works. I get a feeling that MRAs range from fairly oblivious to totally and completely fucking obvlivious one the scale of “knowing shit about the US political or legal systems”. The saddest thing is that plenty of them are from the US (and the rest seem to talk about it continuously).

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

@darksidecat It was mentioned in some article that she could sue in civil court and have a ‘lower standard of proof’, though i won’t pretend to know what that means or if it’s true. However, since she’s not and the case is going to criminal court, the point is kinda moot.

darksidecat
darksidecat
10 years ago

“We do not make the perps pay cash to the victims in criminal cases-that is not how the US criminal law system works.” I should qualify that, property crimes may have a restitution to the victim for the value of the property as a part of the sentence, but crimes against the person, like sex crimes, murder, and assault do not involve criminal financial penalties paid to the victim.

lol
lol
10 years ago

David

Thats right there is a difference between being called a rapist and an abuser, part of an abusers lobby, a rape apologist etc on the internet and being falsely accused of rape or abuse in court/reported to the police .. they are different categories of the same bahaviour. All mra’s have first hand experience of one or both kinds of false accusations. There is also feminist research, which is organised, “academic” false allegations of abuse against men as a group, and protection of female abusers as a group.

So we are a little jaded by claims or rape and abuse against men.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

Jaded!

To be told that making excuses for rapists makes you a rape apologist!

Oh the humanity!

I’ll get my smelling salts out, lol, just in case. You seem a mite… overcome.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

Yes, Sally, it’s kind of like how being called a racist is worse than racism itself.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

Thats right there is a difference between being called a rapist and an abuser, part of an abusers lobby, a rape apologist etc on the internet and being falsely accused of rape or abuse in court/reported to the police .. they are different categories of the same bahaviour.

Except that one (making a false accusation to police) is crime with real-world consequences and the other is…not.

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

Yeah, and violently raping a woman and making cat-calls to her on the street are in the same category of behavior so I guess we’re all rape victims because I’m pretty sure every woman has been cat-called at least once 😛

NOTE TO THICKHEADED MRAs – THIS IS HYPERBOLE. WE DON’T ACTUALLY THINK THIS.

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

@lol just to say, others have said enough about other points, but this: ‘There is also feminist research, which is organised, “academic” false allegations of abuse against men as a group’ reads as feminists making false allegations of abuse against men. As in, that we apparently say ‘men are victims of abuse’ falsely. Methinks that’s not what you meant. I’d also like to see links to the abuses you actually meant.

lol
lol
10 years ago

Plymouth, a cat call isn’t rape or a threat of rape, only in feminist rape culture propaganda, which is a mass false accusation of rape, is it defined as that, while a false allegation of rape, whether its reported to the police or not, is a false allegation of rape.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

Yeah, I pricked my finger on a nail the other day, and now I know just how Jesus felt.

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

LOL – did you totally miss the part where in giant all caps I said that was HYPERBOLE??

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

Capt Bathrobe – Nice! Good one!

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

a false allegation of rape, whether its reported to the police or not, is a false allegation of rape.

Being called an apologist for rape isn’t really the same as being accused of an actual, specific incident of rape, now is it? Especially, you know, if the charge is accurate?

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

(didn’t you recently declare that I was a paid agent of some nefarious feminist astro-turfing cabal, or something?)

And, more importantly, how do I get on the payroll? To think I’ve been doing all this commenting for free!

SWGM
SWGM
10 years ago

DSK is a beta? Seriously? Cuz I was under the impression he was one of the richest and most powerful men in Europe.

lol
lol
10 years ago

Well Captain Bathrobe if the charge is accurate its not a false allegation.

There is a tendency to call anyone that doesn’t buy into the feminist line on rape a rape apologist. Remember all the so called “rape apologists” that came out against one time feminist poster girl Crystal Magnum and in support of the men she falsely accused?

I was talking about the over reliance of false allegations and insinuations about rape and abuse by feminists and how all mrs’s have experienced them as well as the number that have had false allegations made to the police.

There was a recent article on AVFM about a regular here who made false allegations of rape against Paul Elam and the Welmer Price of the Spearhead, by name ..

Its just par for the course.

LOL @ you guys defending the practice of smearing political opponents with false allegations of rape and abuse.

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

@lol
No, I only defend the practice of smearing political figures with true allegations of rape and abuse.

Shaenon
10 years ago

DSK is a beta? Seriously? Cuz I was under the impression he was one of the richest and most powerful men in Europe.

Oh, I love playing the “who is a beta?” game! As far as it’s been explained to me, the system works like this: about six guys are alphas, and they get to have sex with all the women in the world. All other men are betas or omegas or some other Greek letter, and they are all virgins, even the married ones.

You can identify the alphas because they’re rich and powerful, since all women are materialistic and only want men for their money. No, wait! They’re lower-class “bad boys” and “thugs” from the wrong side of the tracks, because all women like being slapped around by biker gangs. No, they’re the very handsomest men, or possibly just Brad Pitt, because women are shallow about looks even though only men ought to be allowed to be that way. No, wait! They’re those damn manginas, using their nefarious ability to go five minutes without calling women “bitches” to get laid. Those are the only guys who get to have sex, because women all want doormats, forget what I said three seconds ago about women all wanting thugs. No, they’re guys who are over eight feet tall. No, they’re black guys. Eight-foot-tall black guys. No, wait…

It’s a silly game, but it’s more fun than the “how much do you guys think I can coerce a woman without technically raping her?” game or the “getting laughed at for making dumbass comments on the Internet makes me a modern-day Sojourner Truth” game, both of which just depress me.

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

@Shaenon
I’ve cracked the code!
Alphas are eight foot tall handsome black guys who were once thugs, but are now rich powerful ‘manginas’! No wonder there’s only six of them…

Seraph
Seraph
10 years ago

No, seriously, it wasn’t a rhetorical question. I really do want someone who believes in this ranking system to explain to me how one of the most rich and powerful men in the world, with a reputation as a womanizer, can be a beta. Dude isn’t even that bad-looking. He’s 62, so his teen-heartthrob days are long behind him, but there’s still some rugged good looks there. The man has literally no disadvantages.

Greek system believers? Even if you, personally, don’t consider him to be a beta, can you explain how someone could make that mistake?

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

So all of the MRAs have been in jail or have a criminal record? o_O I thought rape complaints led to autojail? 😮 Or at least the vast majority did right? 😮 So if all MRAs have been accused of rape, that means they’ve been charged and arrested for rape, and convicted too right? 😮

Also my reading of the MRA thingie about Beta males at the top was that this was some odd conspiracy to teach an Alpha male a lesson by treating him like Beta males supposedly are (this entire thing makes me think of Metroid II xD Alpha MRAtroids, Beta MRAtroids.. Is there a Queen MRA too? xD )… but I’m unsure who’s doing the conspiring xD

I wonder if MRAtroids are weak to ice beam + 5 missiles too? :O

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

*waits for ppl who dun understand sarcasm or geek humour to show up* 😀 and a 1 and a 2….

in other news, the Winnipeg Jets are coming back! 😀 (sry I’m too excited so it must be an addendum to all comments 😀 )

Winnipeg ttlly alpha maled Atlanta! Those hockey teams only like Bad Cities! xD

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

hmmm they converted my concerned faces to happy faces… that’s odd… : o The ones in my 1st comment were not supposed to be happy 🙁 they were o faces, like :O only not capitalized xD

*switches to angry strawfeminist mode*

DISCRIMINATION! MISOGYNY!!!! WORDPRESS SUPPORTS RAPE CULTUREEEEE!!!!!

darksidecat
darksidecat
10 years ago

@Nobby, even in a civil case, her possible recovery is not that incentivising. Okay, let us look at what happens if she wins: She ends up with is her medical bills and perhaps a small amount for emotional or punitive damages after going through a huge and public trial. Let us say that her medical bills came to about $5,000 and lost wages of $100. She is going to get that if she wins. She might also get a comparable amount for pain and suffering (assuming the allegations are true and she puts a psycologist on the stand to say as much). Now, punitive damages are not incredibly common in New York, but the facts of the case (again assuming the allegations are true) could warrant those. You could expect, with punitive damages at about average, about $40,000 total awarded at the trial level and to have that knocked down to about $20,000 or so on appeal (New York is notorious for appeals courts dropping punitive damages down on appeal). The lawyer gets 20-40% off the top a lot of the time, so take the low range and you are down to $16,000. If she gets court costs, which frankly, many people do not, after years of brutal public trials, she comes out about $10,000 ahead. Without costs, considering the resources the defendant has to draw the case out, she would have to give up every penny of that and it still would not cover the witness fees. Statistically, she would be better off applying for the crime victims assistance fund to get her medical bills paid.

An additional consideration is that going public at this stage actually hurts her chances to settle. In many cases, businesses (large corporations are usually the defendants in the rare cases where ratios between compensatory damages and punitive damages are higher than 4:1 or at most 10:1) and, yes, individuals as well have less of a motive to settle once the issue is out in the open. Keeping things quiet to avoid a public scandal is a huge factor in large settlements, and that ship has sailed here. If she were lying to get money, her best strategy would be to keep the issue as quiet as possible, because the low levels of cash needed to pay her off are pocket change to the defendant here (one night’s hotel bill probably would do it) meaning that the threat to reputation is the largest leverage, not the threat to take money. Shoot, let us say that she got the largest, most disproportionate punitive damage award ratio ever upheld by the US Supreme Court a comes off with a cool million, that is still only a hundreth of his personal net worth. The harm already done to his reputation now (again, if the accusations are true, that harm is warranted, but looking at the hypothetical where they are not) and to the reputation of the institutions he manages are probably worth more than even the largest conceivable and extremely atypical court payout she would achieve and “hush money” could get as much or more than a typical court case would award here if she won.

So, is this woman both clever enough to frame an incredibly rich and powerful person well enough to get the police, the DA, and a judge to think there is a case worth indicting here as part of her grand scheme to get a criminal conviction of the defendant used as evidence in a future civil case, or is she so fracking ignorant that she can’t even blackmail correctly? Also worth noting: even assuming she is a mass of contradictory brain skills, Avenger is still wrong. The DA does not need the victim to move forward (though it helps the case), but a defendant paying off a victim not to testify is a crime in and of itself. Witness tampering, obstruction of justice, etc.-his lawyer would have to be a dumbass or a habitual crook at mob level intrigue to go along with a plan like that.

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

@darksidecat Wow, lots of info! That’s all really interesting. I didn’t know much beyond the one sentence mentioning the chance of a civil case. Thanks! I’m not exactly well versed in law, so I’m always good for some elucidation.

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

@ Seraph

I believe the answer to your question is “Because I said so.”

And the neat thing is, that’s the source of every other claim any MRA makes. It’s very handy.

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