MRAs and MGTOWers are, as you might have guessed, some pretty acronym-happy people. And one of their favorite acronyms — besides those two – is NAWALT, which stands for “Not All Women Are Like That.” This is a phrase often uttered by people who are not misogynist assholes in response to things said about women by people who are misogynist assholes. Apparently many MRAs and MGTOWers hear this so often that they’ve turned it into a running gag, the “joke” being that in their minds all women really ARE like that.
Now W.F. Price of The Spearhead has caused a tempest in the teapot that is the manosphere by admitting that, in fact, not all women are like that:
We all know that there are good women out there, including some who comment here, in our families, at work and in neighborhoods all over the land, so why shouldn’t we listen to women who tell us this is the case?
Now, Price has not suddenly become a feminist or anything. Indeed he went on to argue that even if not all women are horrible monsters,
a lot of them are, and we have no assurance that the nice girl who is smiling and saying she loves you won’t at some point destroy your life. …
If somebody handed you a revolver with three loaded chambers and three empty ones and said, “go ahead and aim this at your head and pull the trigger — not all the chambers are loaded,” would you go along with the suggestion? Of course not. It would be sheer folly.
And, oh, it goes on. Blah blah blah, men, don’t get married. Blah blah blah, and you good ladies out there better give up some of your rights – sorry, advantages — because the bad ladies abuse them and pretty soon no man will want to marry any of you:
[T]hose women who really “aren’t like that”… are less likely to find a man willing to marry them, and more likely to be used and abandoned at the first hint of commitment. Society at large is increasingly skeptical about the virtues of women, and the word is bubbling up from the grass roots that women are a risky proposition. …
Until the laws are reformed and some balance is restored to relationships, men who care at all about their lives will have no choice but to regard any woman he becomes involved with as a loaded gun pointed straight at him.
So, yeah, this is the same old W.F. Price we know and don’t love.
On The Spearhead itself, the dissenters were at least generally polite. “Nah, sorry Mr Price,” wrote oddsock. “Your well written post cuts no ice with me. All women are like that.” Herbal Essence also challenged Price’s math:
The argument needs to be rejected because nearly all women are enabling the behavior of the worst of them. And nearly all women stand, arms akimbo, as a bloc to preserve female superiority. ..
[I]t’s time that men take off their rose-colored glasses and realize that nearly all women are waging a war against us. For god sakes, our own mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters support the female hive mind over their own flesh and blood. (us.)
Over on MGTOWforums.com, the judgment was a little harsher. The commenter calling himself fairi5fair reacted as though Price had lopped off his own dick and announced his engagement to the ghost of Andrea Dworkin.
W. F. Price is just a daisy-picking mangina with a chip on his shoulder imo. Even the woman MRA I knew was probably just using it as a slick way to trap a nesting male.
Bottom line: if words are coming out of a woman’s mouth, she’s a lying cunt. Mr. Price probably wants to believe in some romantic fairytale because he just got divorced and wants pussy again, and doesn’t want to face the reality of his options.
Yes, Mr. Price, you’re going to get your sorry ass handed to you again if you keep thinking with your dick and your heart. Use the brain, moron. Next!
Whenever I run across something this idiotic, I have to remind myself that Not All MGTOWers Are That Astoundingly Stupid. NAMGTOWATAS, for short.
I wonder how Price’s son and daughter would feel reading his posts on the Spearhead. I think it would damage a child to read his or her dad trying to argue that all women are evil, lying bitches. How could he treat his daughter well if he views women with such contempt? Someday that girl will be a woman, too.
Why do MRAs hate the idea that less people are getting married but also hate the idea that anyone would get married?
*headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*
Ow.
Bushfire, I think their dissatisfaction is with marriage as it’s currently constituted. They then cite the decline in marriage rates as proof that things aren’t right. It’s a retrograde movement, with its aim being the restoration of some idyllic past that never actually existed.
Picking out individual venting-comments and displaying them here as representative of MRAs.
Interesting strategy to get approval from feminists but not the strategy of a truth seeker.
You mean if I become an MRA I can trap a nesting male? SCORE.
Anit – uh, have you read the little blurb up at the top right of the blog here? The point of this blog is mockery, plain and simple. We’re here for the LOLz, not the search for The Ultimate Truth About All MRAs Everywhere. Well, ok, that’s why *I’m* here. I suppose I can’t speak for all the commenters 🙂
@Plymouth – some of that for me, and some reminding myself that people like the ones quoted here exist.
@Plymouth, @ Sivi me too, but also because for me anyway, reading arguments I disagree with helps me to clarify for myself WHY i disagree with them. So if this ever came up irl, I might be able to say something intelligent, rather than ‘duhhhh are you serious?!’
Or you could mimic NWOSlave and conclude your argument with “TADAA”, which gives you an automatic win.
Anit
Please explain how there is anything individual or simply venting about the mra: a very small fringe group consisting of much less the 99.9% of the population even by conservative standards.
Then explain how woman are not individuals as 50% of the population and somehow work as a collective mind.
Riddle me this.
Also, anit, I was responding to a post made by the guy in charge of one of the biggest online hangouts for MRAs and MGTOWs; one of the comments on the site I quoted in the OP has gotten more than 100 upvotes from readers there, the other, 80. (both are many times the # of downvotes they got.) No, these guys do not represent every MRA, and I would never suggest that, but they do seem to represent a fairly broad consensus among spearhead readers.
The quote later? As I said, NAMGTOWATAS.
This site is about misogyny; I go where it is online. I find a lot of it where MRAs and MGTOWers tend to hang out.
But I’m curious, if you feel there are sites that are more representative of MRAs, let me know.
This combination of hating women and obsessing about them is weird. Someone needs to look into developing a reversed version of that fake “conversion therapy” for “curing” homosexuals, so that all the MRAs can turn gay. That way they’d no longer need to worry about women, and women would no longer need to worry about them. Everyone would win.
Sometimes I think these guys are just pissed that the 19th century is over. Except for the whole technology thing, of course; the internet does make whining easier.
Anit
Show us a mra website, thread, forum which you would imagine the mra should be.
These same type of men were bitching about women in the 19th century. Actually they have been complaining about some golden age not being in place where women were doing whatever the contradictory requirements of MRAs have had since the beginnings of recorded history.
Kind of depressing if you think about it.
NWO is gone; anit shows up. It’s seriously like there’s a law of troll conservation.
Incidentally, how does something bubble up out of grass? Grass is not bubbly.
The only thing I can think of that bubbles out of grass is raw sewage from an overflowing septic tank. Which is actually very fitting, here.
Katz, I was wondering that too. Perhaps the grass is over a septic tank? Stuff could bubble up out of that.
HA! Snowy beat me to it.
@infidel, except, of course, other gay and bi men…
@darksidecat
I can imagine gay men everywhere saying, “Hey, don’t dump your garbage over here!”
@Infidel753
Why do you hate the Gays so much that you would send MRAs to them?
Wow! They only posted it less than 36 hours back on The Spearhead. And the hive is buzzing with Queen bees already? Best of luck, NAWALTS! 😉 I guess, you really need a life. All that snaring and shaming tactics, not working out well for you, huh?
Lets imagine for one moment that there was a systemic injustice towards a group of people. If some of them make a forum and try to point out and fight those injustices, you are always going to find a lot who are just venting. They’ve been hurt and they found a place where they can let that anger run free.
If you think MRAs are so exceptionally bad, then how about a fair comparison? Just log into a few feminist forums with a male avatar, and politely ask about mens issues and try to defend the need to address them. I tried it a few times and the responses were typically full of hate, misandry, anger and a complete lack of willingness to actually improve anything. Constructive comments were the exception there too. Basically they’re just as bad.
If you really just want to mock people’s bad behavior then perhaps you should keep in mind that some of them are in pain and they’re just venting. And mocking that is quite cynical really. Would you also mock a victim of domestic violence who was letting out their pain and thus making no sense?
The real sad thing is that MRAs and feminists should have been the same organization from the start. Both have set the goal to achieve equality but both are fighting each other and turning men and women against each other.
And blogs like this only make it worse. I wish you’d realize it.