MRAs and MGTOWers are, as you might have guessed, some pretty acronym-happy people. And one of their favorite acronyms — besides those two – is NAWALT, which stands for “Not All Women Are Like That.” This is a phrase often uttered by people who are not misogynist assholes in response to things said about women by people who are misogynist assholes. Apparently many MRAs and MGTOWers hear this so often that they’ve turned it into a running gag, the “joke” being that in their minds all women really ARE like that.
Now W.F. Price of The Spearhead has caused a tempest in the teapot that is the manosphere by admitting that, in fact, not all women are like that:
We all know that there are good women out there, including some who comment here, in our families, at work and in neighborhoods all over the land, so why shouldn’t we listen to women who tell us this is the case?
Now, Price has not suddenly become a feminist or anything. Indeed he went on to argue that even if not all women are horrible monsters,
a lot of them are, and we have no assurance that the nice girl who is smiling and saying she loves you won’t at some point destroy your life. …
If somebody handed you a revolver with three loaded chambers and three empty ones and said, “go ahead and aim this at your head and pull the trigger — not all the chambers are loaded,” would you go along with the suggestion? Of course not. It would be sheer folly.
And, oh, it goes on. Blah blah blah, men, don’t get married. Blah blah blah, and you good ladies out there better give up some of your rights – sorry, advantages — because the bad ladies abuse them and pretty soon no man will want to marry any of you:
[T]hose women who really “aren’t like that”… are less likely to find a man willing to marry them, and more likely to be used and abandoned at the first hint of commitment. Society at large is increasingly skeptical about the virtues of women, and the word is bubbling up from the grass roots that women are a risky proposition. …
Until the laws are reformed and some balance is restored to relationships, men who care at all about their lives will have no choice but to regard any woman he becomes involved with as a loaded gun pointed straight at him.
So, yeah, this is the same old W.F. Price we know and don’t love.
On The Spearhead itself, the dissenters were at least generally polite. “Nah, sorry Mr Price,” wrote oddsock. “Your well written post cuts no ice with me. All women are like that.” Herbal Essence also challenged Price’s math:
The argument needs to be rejected because nearly all women are enabling the behavior of the worst of them. And nearly all women stand, arms akimbo, as a bloc to preserve female superiority. ..
[I]t’s time that men take off their rose-colored glasses and realize that nearly all women are waging a war against us. For god sakes, our own mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters support the female hive mind over their own flesh and blood. (us.)
Over on MGTOWforums.com, the judgment was a little harsher. The commenter calling himself fairi5fair reacted as though Price had lopped off his own dick and announced his engagement to the ghost of Andrea Dworkin.
W. F. Price is just a daisy-picking mangina with a chip on his shoulder imo. Even the woman MRA I knew was probably just using it as a slick way to trap a nesting male.
Bottom line: if words are coming out of a woman’s mouth, she’s a lying cunt. Mr. Price probably wants to believe in some romantic fairytale because he just got divorced and wants pussy again, and doesn’t want to face the reality of his options.
Yes, Mr. Price, you’re going to get your sorry ass handed to you again if you keep thinking with your dick and your heart. Use the brain, moron. Next!
Whenever I run across something this idiotic, I have to remind myself that Not All MGTOWers Are That Astoundingly Stupid. NAMGTOWATAS, for short.
… a slick way to trap a nesting male.
“Nesting male”?
If we are waging a war, we are doing a pretty poor job of it since we still have men roaming around free.
I really don’t understand this whole boycott women then complain about them constantly mentality. I get it, you don’t like women and do not want to be married. I respect your rights to live the way you got to live. But STFU and go live your life. If MRAs really didn’t care about women, they wouldn’t be talking about them CONSTANTLY. Stop obsessing and whining.
And I really don’t think women are what are screwing up MRA lives. I suspect it’s their own mental problems and chronic insecurity. That’s the only explanation for that Greek Classification crap.
I always think these guys don’t realize just how common women are. There’s more than three billion of us! And we don’t exactly coordinate our movements. Not all women are like anything. What the hell do I have in common with Sarah Palin, Ellen DeGeneres, Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Kwan, Camille Paglia, Jenna Jameson, Angela Merkel, bell hooks, Amber from “Teen Mom”, and the lady sitting across from me on the subway?
Trust me when I say that Michelle Kwan and I do not get together and decide how we’re going to exploit men today.
Camille Paglia
Please, I’m eating lunch here.
I have actually never had a conversation with any woman about exploiting men, unless you count the times when I was “AAAAH! That is so unethical” to a high-school friend who was dating a guy for presents.
On the other hand, high school. Lots of people are douchebags in high school.
What I want to see is a follow-up essay by Petra, entitled: “Yes, I am a lying cunt.”
These Spearhead guys keep warning “Men are catching on to women’s evil ways, word is bubbling up, you’ll be sorry when we reject you women, etc”. Yes, I’m sure the women of the world are mourning the loss of Spearhead men from the dating pool. Women are just dying to marry misogynistic jerks.
So W.F. Price doesn’t trust any women and will never remarry? Oh no, he’s such a great catch with all of his rants about feminazi conspiracies! He’s actually right that marrying a woman carries a high risk of divorce for him, because how could a woman be happy married to such a hateful man? I think it would be very interesting to hear a lot of those MRA’s ex wives tell their side of the story.
“He’s actually right that marrying a woman carries a high risk of divorce for him, because how could a woman be happy married to such a hateful man?”
But see, Kendra, that’s precisely the point — women are evil because they act in pursuit of happiness, and that’s just plain wrong. Only men should get to do things for their own happiness. Women, on the other hand, should just serve. Any woman who does anything for the sake of her own happiness is a selfish, evil bitch (not to mention, a lying ****).
“Society at large is increasingly skeptical about the virtues of women, and the word is bubbling up from the grass roots that women are a risky proposition.”
Anyone else find this statement really weird? “Society at large”? It’s like he’s unaware that a large part of society at large consists of WOMEN.
You know I’m going through a divorce right now myself (it’s going about as well as such things can, so there’s no temptation toward MRA-ism or MGTOW-ism). One of the major factors was that my ex didn’t get along with my family, particularly my mother.
WTF, female hive mind?
I mean, is the hive mind actually suffering from a split personality, or is it just pretending to in order to mess with me?
I have to remind myself that Not All MGTOWers Are That Astoundingly Stupid.
OK, Dave, I know you’re making a rhetorical point here, but do you actually have any examples of MGTOWers who are, in fact, not that stupid? Because all I’ve seen are the Stupid, the Stupider, and that How-Are-You-Even-Able-To-Live-Day-To-Day-Without-Eating-Random-Inanimate-Objects level of Stupid.
I love this part: Society at large is increasingly skeptical about the virtues of women, and the word is bubbling up from the grass roots that women are a risky proposition.
It’s like, the widespread, canonical idea that women are inherently bad news hasn’t actually been around since Genesis and before, historically used to oppress women for virtually forever. Nope! It’s all the brainchild of innovative MRAs and MGTOWers! Thanks, MRAs and MGTOWers, for getting out The Word! It is as accurate and helpful as it is groundbreaking!
@Samsara
It’s the same reason why the Republicans are so obsessed with gay sex and abortions. They really don’t understand what the words “freedom” or “human rights” mean.
For MGTOW human rights are a zero-sum game rather than a win-win situation.
Bee: I like even more how they treat women as being somehow outside of “society at large” and “the world”. Apparently, in their view, society and the world’s population are com prized solely of men.
Female Hive Mind – does that mean I’m telepathic?
I am Jean Grey, and soon, I will be…THE PHOENIX
Seraph, I would explain how the female hive mind works, but I have received instructions from our Borg queen that it is supposed to be secret from all men. Those pesky MGTOW weren’t supposed to know about the hive mind. Oh no, I’ve said too much already.
“He’s actually right that marrying a woman carries a high risk of divorce for him, because how could a woman be happy married to such a hateful man? I think it would be very interesting to hear a lot of those MRA’s ex wives tell their side of the story.”
I’ve always wondered what Bill Price’s ex would have to say about what her marriage was like to him. Especially since he mentioned being involved in a “SWAT incident” related to “trying to be a father to his children” in a post last month. http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/04/07/fathers-damned-if-you-do/
Given his belief system and severe entitlement, he would be hell to live with.
If the SWAT team shows up at wherever you are at because of you, it is pretty obvious you are not that interested in your kids otherwise you would not cause the kind of problems the SWAT team is needed for.
…I really do not get how they can say things like “Society at large is increasingly skeptical about the virtues of women, and the word is bubbling up from the grass roots that women are a risky proposition. …” seriously.
I mean, does society not include women? If women are such a risky proposition… I just… How do you even fucking parse that?
Also, the whole MGTOW seems like the male side of lesbian separatism, only less understandable. And without any understanding that this makes these ostensibly straight dudes look like the worst stereotype of the woman-hating closeted misogynist.
Holy crap! Maybe if your idea of trying to be a father to your children involves a SWAT team, you are not a very good father. Most Spearhead posts are extremely painful to read. That one was excruciating.
I like the idea of men being a part of their children’s lives. It’s strange to me that Price there has framed the discussion of men being a part of their children’s lives as something that can only happen after divorce. Like, I dunno … maybe that’s part of the problem, dude. Well, that, and the SWAT team.
As a side note, do you think Price ever gets anything right?
Amused: Yeah, it’s all pretty “likeable.” Hey, look at me, I’m an alien!!!
Price has a son and a daughter. I feel sure he’s teaching his daughter how to be a “obedient wife” and his son that he deserves one.
Women always lie.
If a woman says, “I am a lying cunt,” is she telling the truth??
OMG PHILOMOSOPHICAL DILEMMA!!1!
MGTOW would be like lesbian separatism if they didn’t have to put so much damned effort into squelching their desire for pussy. Maybe they should all join the priesthood or something.