I was under the impression that the most controversial thing about the recent royal wedding was Princess Beatrice’s vagina hat (later apparently adopted as the official headgear of the Obama White House*). Not to Petra Gajdosikova, a guest commenter on The Spearhead who has worked herself into a snit over Kate Middleton’s refusal to pledge to “obey” her Prince. “Now, this may seem a silly little issue to pick on,” she says, at the start of what turns into an 1800 word rant,
but, would it have been too intolerably oppressive for Kate Middleton to have kept to the traditional vows including promising to ‘obey’ her husband? Yes, I know such a thing is not just hopelessly out of fashion but considered almost a crime against their human rights by feminists and millions of brainwashed modern women. But if the Royals won’t preserve the last remnants of tradition, who will? And what’s the point of Monarchy if not tradition?
Petra acknowledges that Lady Di also refused to say the word “obey” when she married Prince Charles, snidely remarking, “[a]nd we know just how well suited she proved to be for her role and responsibilities.” (Yeah, that was the problem with that famously troubled marriage.) She continues:
Undoubtedly the decision to modernize the vows was taken to show the Monarchy being in step with contemporary culture and to present the new Duchess of Cambridge as a thoroughly modern woman and role model for millions of young women throughout Britain. And that’s the biggest tragedy of it all… The country doesn’t need any more progressive ‘role models’ infected with feminist ideology. What we do need, if this society is ever to reverse the present degeneration, are those who stand up for traditional values and mores.
Yeah, because there’s nothing even remotely traditional about celebrating a gigantic, extravagant, broadcast-live-to-billions wedding involving about 8 hours of hymns and AN ACTUAL MOTHERFUCKING PRINCE. I mean, they might as well have had a “commitment ceremony” on a commune, or something.
But apparently making a big deal out of a wedding doesn’t mean that today’s degenerate women actually take marriage itself with any seriousness:
Marriage today is, to many women, just an extravagant social occasion and party, their very own ‘princess’ fantasy. It doesn’t seem to include any consideration on what marriage really means, much less on how to be a good wife. Undoubtedly the mere concept of a ‘good wife’ would be deemed oppressive these days. (Are you saying women should have responsibilities and not just rights?!) After all, millions of women feel entitled to ditch their marriages and perfectly decent husbands for no better reason than feeling bored or ‘unfulfilled’. The princesses deserve to be happy – and if they harm their husbands and children in their insatiable quest for fulfillment, so be it!
Damn those women and their infernal desire to not be miserable!
So why on earth could any decent woman possibly have a problem with pledging to obey her husband? Petra assures us, in all seriousness, that
promising to ‘obey’ one’s husband has nothing to do with being oppressed, a second class citizen with no power or say in a relationship, or a servant to a man. It’s a statement of trust and respect, acknowledging the authority of the man as head of family, responsible for and dedicated to his wife’s and their children’s welfare. Despite us wanting to pretend otherwise, a woman’s natural role is to be loving, nurturing and supportive in a relationship. When women usurp the masculine role (power and leadership) and emasculate men it doesn’t bode well for marriage.
Dudes, if you feel “emasculated” because your wife doesn’t unquestioningly follow your every dictate, you must have an awfully fragile sense of self – and an extreme sense of entitlement. Learning that other people have their own needs and desires, and that the world does not bend to our every whim, is one of the most basic developmental lessons we all learn in our lives. Most of us do it when we are babies.
But to Petra, the insistence of most contemporary western women that their marriages be partnerships of equals means that they’re the narcissists:
Women are deluded in thinking they have been ‘liberated’ from some imaginary shackles, when in fact they’ve only sabotaged themselves and contributed a great deal to the rotten state of our society. The anti-male bias is ever present in the West today; we are ‘empowering’ females at the expense of males and conditioning women to disparage men.
The self-absorption and sense of entitlement of today’s women make it nearly impossible to form healthy, sustainable marriages and relationships.
What follows is a by-the-numbers rant about “sky-high divorce rates,” degenerate single mothers, “welfare dependency … sexual depravity,” human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together.
Sorry, I got carried away; those last bits were from Ghostbusters.(Not the bit about “sexual depravity” – she actually did said that.)
While Petra is perfectly comfortable preaching special treatment for men – having someone literally pledge obedience to you; how much more special does it get than that? – she’s incensed at the notion that “women have long been enjoying – and often abusing – a privileged and protected status (as the ‘oppressed sex’).”
To Petra, the fact that some women choose not to pledge obedience to their husbands means that men are the real oppressed class, facing pervasive “anti-male bias” and the “emasculating” power of women … demanding to be treated the same as men. In other words:
The explicit subordination of women in marriage = not oppression.
Equality in marriage = oppression of men.
I’m sorry, but Petra’s argument here is even sillier than Princess Beatrice’s hat.
And since when do the guys on The Spearhead give a shit about marriage? I was under the impression they all thought it was some sort of evil feminist plot. .
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*Note to literal-minded Obama-haters: I was making a little joke there. That picture is not real. Also, Obama was not born in Kenya.
UPDATE: Fixed the link to that not-real photo of Obama and pals in Princess Beatrice hats. Which I’ll just link to here as well.
I was thinkin of an advert the read “respect men” and little girls wearing shirts that reads “awaiting instructions”, cause I too have good intentions.
Funny how you were all up in arm about having to “obey” or “submit” in a marriage vow but “awaiting instructions” seems like good intentions. You guys are a hoot.
NWO slave…
There is rape at college. I was a victim of an attempted date rape. The rapist was slipping GHB into the girliest drink at the table and wondering why the women weren’t getting tipsy… I had to get my stomach pumped because I consumed 4 times the dose.
I was not pleased when I came to.
Also… Norman Bates is classically insane. He is guilty of murder but cannot be held accountable for it. He has a worse fate than prison. Psychiatric Hospitalisation.
They’re shirts for children. The point being that little kids are still malleable and learning from how they see adults talk and behave.
It would be weird, yeah, if those were worn by adult men.
WOW Holly 99%, sweetheart, you are the bomb.
Okay, I’m getting to my angry place:
NWO, what in the name of fuck do you WANT? Say you’re king of the world, how would you handle sexual assault education? (Don’t answer me by saying “FEMINISTS SAY MEN ARE POOPY AND WOMEN ARE ANGELS.” I know you think that, you’ve made it clear. No need to go hoarse repeating yourself.)
In a perfect world, how would you handle sexual assault prevention education?
Again I lose across the board. Oh well, I guess I’ll be “awaiting instructions.”
NWOslave:
*sigh* This is why conversing with you is such a bother. Let me guess, you want to introduce measures to teach black people that its wrong to enslave whites, right? Or how about ads to make sure that female CEOs don’t sexually harass their male secretaries?
There is a time and a place for ad campaigns, when the issue adressed is actually a big problem. Males thinking low of females, and raping them? Problem. Females not respecting men enough? Not so much.
that article on Keith Edwards is especially suspect when you can watch part of his presentation right here:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/65408C79773048558C962266962F2B53/she-fears-you-by-keith-e-edwa.aspx
despite “The event also wasn’t filmed, so non-attendees will never know exactly what Edwards said that night”. Maybe that exact presentation wasn’t filmed, but if he since changed it, I suppose that’s good, right?
And that video is actually quite good. Doesn’t blame guys for anything. He’s very specific is stating that “SOME men” have caused problems for the rest of us. Problems that we should lend our aid to stopping, because we are in a position to do so. Such a horrible message, so much “Men=bad, women=good”. Oh, except not.
As to the “awaiting instructions”, i have not seen that. But the idea, that teenagers and younger children pick up patterns of behavior from adults, is hardly controversial. I’m sure you’ll try, though.
Avicenna, if what you say is true. That ONE person needs the class. No one else. Otherwise if ONE woman falsely accuses a man all women should be forced to take a class on false accusations. Do you agree?
NWOslave:
And if all future rapists were kind enough to make themselves known before they “do the deed,” only they would need to take the class. But really, you should know this. Are you for real?
I’m not the bomb, the US Bureau of Justice is the bomb!
Actually, I’m sort of confused now. Are you arguing that more men are assaulted by women? I mean, that’s failing the “Earth” test.
Also: In a perfect world, how would you handle sexual assault prevention education?
C’mon, I’ll answer any reasonable questions you ask me. Step up to the plate, man. Give me your perfect-world scenario.
The same goes for the advert. If a DV ad has a boy wearing that shirt. There are women who commit DV, so in the spirit of Equality an equal number of adverts should show the opposite. Do you agree?
@kirbywarp
And if all future false accusers were kind enough to make themselves known before they “do the deed,” only they would need to take the class. But really, you should know this. Are you for real?
I can do the same thing, see. So I ask you, shouldn’t all women be forced to take a false accusation class for the actions of the few who do? Because thats what your saying men should do.
You folks do realize that it’s impossible to win a debate with a troll, right?
But an equal number do no commit DV. “Women accounted for 85% of the victims of intimate partner violence, men for approximately 15%.” From the domestic violence resource center.
http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/
By the same token, as US Bureau of Justice statistics showed, the vast majority of rape initiators are men, so ads are targeted as such. Same with other rape prevention issues. If the case was the other way around, then yes, there should be more aimed at women agressors. But we’re on earth, not MRA land.
Mish mash – Yeah. But it’s sort of fun to see him keep trying.
It makes me sick in the pit of my stomach to realize that based on his sheer vitriol and persistence, he’s probably not a troll in the classic sense–he probably believes what he’s saying.
I don’t delude myself that I’m going to talk sense into him, though. The man would tell me that he had three eyes if he thought “men had two eyes” was a feminist viewpoint.
@Nobby…Again I say if this is a good thing, why not have ALL women take a class on false accusation, women sexual predators, ect, ect, ect. But make it clear that ALL women aren’t like that. Seems reasonable, right?
@Mish Mash it’s true, but I find these kinds of debates tend to solidify my own ideas, by forcing me to find more resources and exercise my debating skills, so it’s not worthless for me.
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941
DV and the lies that women are only victims.
Men are also 35 times less likely to report DV
Hardly debating skills Nobby when you never answer a question but only ask questions. HAHAHA, a debate, when your answer consists of…..
Hey David (love your blog) but it’s not a vagina hat. It’s shaped like the magic mirror in Disney’s Snow White. A brilliantly subversive form of protest I think for Fergie (as the evil princess) not being invited to the wedding. But jesus in a jetpack couldn’t Beatrice’s grandma open her purse for some well needed teeth filing for poor little Bea?
NWOslave you’re crazy in the coconuts. You know that, right?
http://www.uchastings.edu/faculty-administration/faculty/williams/class-website/docs/GenderAndLawPg41-64.pdf (cited by darksidecat)
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=11518606030213304056&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr
(“The Court chooses not to rely on the phrase “rule of thumb.” Although apparently a common and useful phrase, as evidenced by the frequency with which it appears in the hearing transcript, this expression is derived from the historical common law right of the husband to beat his wife with a switch, provided it was “no thicker than his thumb.” Caitlin E. Borgman, Note, Battered Women’s Substantive Due Process Claims: Can Orders of Protection Defeat DeShaney?, 65 N.Y.U.L.Rev. 1280, 1281 n. 3.”)
Well, here are two links to “official court documents.” I cannot provide you with a link to the American Law Reports unless you happen to subscribe to either lexisnexis or westlaw.
Also, how presumptuous of you to require someone else to provide links when you rarely, if ever, do so. At least both darksidecat and I provided citations to our sources. Generally speaking, in the law, citations to sources are as good as it can get as most legal resources are not available online without subscription to a legal resource website.
Because organizing and putting on those classes take time and money. When there is a way to make a larger impact with less money by focusing on a group that is vastly overrepresented in the aggressor group, it’s just good business sense. Again, if stats were more toward a 50/50 split, you’d have a point. But they’re not.
Also, please show where false accusations affect a quarter million (rape/sexual assault) a million (DV) people a year. Then we’ll talk.
I never said they’re the only victims, neither does my source. Good reading comprehension skills there.
It amazing how many sources I use for all those questions.
NWO is coming unraveled. I don’t think even he can follow his points anymore.
On the plus side, he seems to have discovered the magic of gravatars.
@NWOslave
Pretty much what Nobby said before (curse slow typing. 😛 ). Equality is not what you think it is. Like my point above was supposed to illustrate, equality isn’t on the level of the response, its on the level of the actual incidents. What feminists want is for rape and DV and the rest to not disproportionally affect women (at the very least).
The day this happens is the day that we won’t need ads like the one you brought up.
@Nobby and Mish-Mash:
Yeah, same for me. I have an unusually high tolerance for debate, and engaging in it has only increased my ability to look at my own views rationally, as well as the other side’s. I’ve changed many of my own positions as a result.