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The Royal Scam

Do you like my hat? No, I do not like your hat.

I was under the impression that the most controversial thing about the recent royal wedding was Princess Beatrice’s vagina hat (later apparently adopted as the official headgear of the Obama White House*). Not to Petra Gajdosikova, a guest commenter on The Spearhead who has worked herself into a snit over  Kate Middleton’s refusal to pledge to “obey” her Prince. “Now, this may seem a silly little issue to pick on,” she says, at the start of what turns into an 1800 word rant,

but, would it have been too intolerably oppressive for Kate Middleton to have kept to the traditional vows including promising to ‘obey’ her husband? Yes, I know such a thing is not just hopelessly out of fashion but considered almost a crime against their human rights by feminists and millions of brainwashed modern women. But if the Royals won’t preserve the last remnants of tradition, who will? And what’s the point of Monarchy if not tradition?

Petra acknowledges that Lady Di also refused to say the word “obey” when she married Prince Charles, snidely remarking, “[a]nd we know just how well suited she proved to be for her role and responsibilities.” (Yeah, that was the problem with that famously troubled marriage.) She continues:

Undoubtedly the decision to modernize the vows was taken to show the Monarchy being in step with contemporary culture and to present the new Duchess of Cambridge as a thoroughly modern woman and role model for millions of young women throughout Britain. And that’s the biggest tragedy of it all… The country doesn’t need any more progressive ‘role models’ infected with feminist ideology. What we do need, if this society is ever to reverse the present degeneration, are those who stand up for traditional values and mores.

Yeah, because there’s nothing even remotely traditional about celebrating a gigantic, extravagant, broadcast-live-to-billions wedding involving about 8 hours of hymns and AN ACTUAL MOTHERFUCKING PRINCE. I mean, they might as well have had a “commitment ceremony” on a commune, or something.

But apparently making a big deal out of a wedding doesn’t mean that today’s degenerate women actually take marriage itself with any seriousness:

Marriage today is, to many women, just an extravagant social occasion and party, their very own ‘princess’ fantasy. It doesn’t seem to include any consideration on what marriage really means, much less on how to be a good wife. Undoubtedly the mere concept of a ‘good wife’ would be deemed oppressive these days. (Are you saying women should have responsibilities and not just rights?!) After all, millions of women feel entitled to ditch their marriages and perfectly decent husbands for no better reason than feeling bored or ‘unfulfilled’. The princesses deserve to be happy – and if they harm their husbands and children in their insatiable quest for fulfillment, so be it!

Damn those women and their infernal desire to not be miserable!

So why on earth could any decent woman possibly have a problem with pledging to obey her husband? Petra assures us, in all seriousness, that

promising to ‘obey’ one’s husband has nothing to do with being oppressed, a second class citizen with no power or say in a relationship, or a servant to a man. It’s a statement of trust and respect, acknowledging the authority of the man as head of family, responsible for and dedicated to his wife’s and their children’s welfare. Despite us wanting to pretend otherwise, a woman’s natural role is to be loving, nurturing and supportive in a relationship. When women usurp the masculine role (power and leadership) and emasculate men it doesn’t bode well for marriage.

Dudes, if you feel “emasculated” because your wife doesn’t unquestioningly follow your every dictate, you must have an awfully fragile sense of self – and an extreme sense of entitlement. Learning that other people have their own needs and desires, and that the world does not bend to our every whim, is one of the most basic developmental lessons we all learn in our lives. Most of us do it when we are babies.

But to Petra, the insistence of most contemporary western women that their marriages be partnerships of equals means that they’re the narcissists:

Women are deluded in thinking they have been ‘liberated’ from some imaginary shackles, when in fact they’ve only sabotaged themselves and contributed a great deal to the rotten state of our society. The anti-male bias is ever present in the West today; we are ‘empowering’ females at the expense of males and conditioning women to disparage men.

The self-absorption and sense of entitlement of today’s women make it nearly impossible to form healthy, sustainable marriages and relationships.

What follows is a by-the-numbers rant about “sky-high divorce rates,” degenerate single mothers, “welfare dependency … sexual depravity,” human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together.

Sorry, I got carried away; those last bits were from Ghostbusters.(Not the bit about “sexual depravity” – she actually did said that.)

While Petra is perfectly comfortable preaching special treatment for men – having someone literally pledge obedience to you; how much more special does it get than that? – she’s incensed at the notion that “women have long been enjoying – and often abusing – a privileged and protected status (as the ‘oppressed sex’).”

To Petra, the fact that some women choose not to pledge obedience to their husbands means that men are the real oppressed class, facing pervasive “anti-male bias” and the “emasculating” power of women … demanding to be treated the same as men. In other words:

The explicit subordination of women in marriage = not oppression.

Equality in marriage = oppression of men.

I’m sorry, but Petra’s argument here is even sillier than Princess Beatrice’s hat.

And since when do the guys on The Spearhead give a shit about marriage? I was under the impression they all thought it was some sort of evil feminist plot. .

*Note to literal-minded Obama-haters: I was making a little joke there. That picture is not real. Also, Obama was not born in Kenya.

UPDATE: Fixed the link to that not-real photo of Obama and pals in Princess Beatrice hats. Which I’ll just link to here as well.

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Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

“Resemblance” not “relationship.”

Nimue
Nimue
10 years ago

@Kendra @Katz My husband and I had the same thoughts when we got married. The preacher actually wanted us to write our own vows, but I was taking 9 college classes and working 2 jobs and he was taking a bunch of classes as well so….that didn’t happen. I actually do not know what my wedding vows were, as the wedding was outdoors on a pavillion over a lake and there was a flock of berserk Canada geese honking like crazy through most of the ceremony. He doesn’t remember them either…but hey, “geese are ridiculous” is my most vivid memory of out wedding, so I think that’s a win.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Dave, I know the divorce rate is down but the marriage rate is down. Thats why those numbers are like that. A pretty good indicator is the 1/3 illegitmate child birth rate overall and the 90% illegitimate birthrate in the black community.

I mean c’mon Dave, I’m guessing the divorce rate in the black community is pretty darn low right now. Allthough I wouldn’t use that as an indicator of stable marriages making a come back in the black community.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

In terms of deciding on a particular purchase, I’d say the default should be not purchasing the item, especially if it’s expensive. If it’s inexpensive, I usually don’t care, unless money is particularly tight that month. One solution would be to say “OK, I don’t think we should buy that, but if you really want it, then you can put aside x amount of money every month until we have enough.” It also helps if each person has a certain amount of “mad money” in the budget–money they can spend on themselves as they wish. That way, couples don’t have to quibble about every little purchase. Alternately, they could take turns: “OK, you get this major purchase and I get the next one.”

As I said: negotiation and compromise.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

You’re kidding right Nobby? Feminist marriages have like a 95% failure rate, what stat did you just pull out of your ass. Have you been cruising feminisite? I’m sure they have a stat that shows feminist are less likely to get cancer and feminist shit cleans and disinfects better than lysol.

mish mash
mish mash
10 years ago

NWO, how exactly do you figure that high marriage rates are ideal? Or that children born of parents who didn’t decide to get married are “illegitimate”?

amandajane5
amandajane5
10 years ago

Ah yes, the evilness of expecting my husband to say please and thank you. Of course, he’s never actually said something like “do this woman” the way you phrased it and that request coming from my personal husband would generally be more like “Hey hon, when you’re at the store could you please pick me up some beef jerky?” But hey, I do still hold my husband to the same standards as I hold my 4-year-old nephew. If you want someone to do something for you, you say please.

But then I’m one of those evil feminazi bitches, so as you were.

mish mash
mish mash
10 years ago

Now Science Daily is in on the Grand Feminist Conspiracy, too?

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

Feminist marriages have like a 95% failure rate, what stat did you just pull out of your ass.

Not a trace of irony. None.

Pam
Pam
10 years ago

When a parent tells a child what to do, they “obey” not as slave or servant

That’s pretty much the crux of the matter right there…when the wife-to-be vows to “obey” her husband-to-be, she’s not vowing to be his partner, she’s vowing to be his child. But hey, women shouldn’t take that perpetual denial of adulthood as being demeaning at all, hell no, they should understand how demeaning…nay, emasculating….it is to men for women to not agree to be their child.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

What Mish Mash said – if people are happily living together in common law marriages, domestic partnerships, polyamorous nests or forbidden-to-marry gay & lesbian partnerships, or even happily Going Their Own Way… why does it matter? You seem to have a disparaging view of marriage to begin with, shouldn’t you be happy that fewer people are signing up for it?

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

90% illegitimate birthrate in the black community.

Actually it’s 72%. We’ve been over this material before. Please try to keep up with the rest of the class.

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

@NWO read the article. Where’d that 95% rate come from? Because I’m pretty sure it’s your fevered imagination. And the rest of your ad hominem doesn’t mean anything because, unlike those examples, feminism has a direct effect on relationships. Good job there.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

I think NWOslave is pulling facts out of his nether regions and projecting it onto Nobby.

*hands Nobby some soap* yes, it is bacon scented.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Captain Bathrobe…Well darn only 72%, I’ll take your word that. Hmm, pre feminism 10% post feminism 72% and rising. Well the future so bright I gotta wear shades.

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

I don’t even require my boy to say please! Usually he’ll phrase it “do you have time to stop by the store and get milk on the way home?” and I’ll say “sure”, assuming I do have the time. Gosh, so obedient am I! *eyeroll*

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

@Elizabeth Why thank you. Ah, bacon, is there anything it can’t do?

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

Elizabeth, I bet you live in the woods in a house made entirely of bacon, which you use to entrap unsuspecting passers-by.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. 🙂

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

Cure NWOslave’s utter lack of humour or sense or wits.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Hows that “it takes a village to raise a child” feminist motto lookin in the old Ghetto. I usually pick out some inner city as my vacation spot. Any reccomendation.

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

I think if we go back a little further in time we’ll find that ALL black babies were “illegitimate” because most black people were slaves and slaves were forbidden from marrying. Was feminism to blame for that too?!

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

If I did, I would be married already CB. 🙂

Nobby
Nobby
10 years ago

@PfkaElizabeth Aw, that’s sad. Oh well, bacon can also cure my sadness 🙂

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

“it takes a village to raise a child” is a feminist motto? Wait, what? They never mentioned that in any of my women’s studies classes!

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

Apparently Plymouth, if a woman says anything anywhere at anytime, it instantly becomes part of the feminist movement.

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

Cool! I declare that “Everybody gets a pony!” is now a feminist motto. I didn’t realize I had so much power!

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

@Captain Bathrobe…Well darn only 72%, I’ll take your word that. Hmm, pre feminism 10% post feminism 72% and rising. Well the future so bright I gotta wear shades.

Don’t take my word for it. Go look something up for a change, you lazy ass. The point is that when you cite statistics, you are almost invariably wrong. This is but one example of your near-perfect record of having your head up your ass when it comes to facts. It’s so damn easy to Google something, but you’re too lazy and willfully ignorant to even do that. Do your own goddam homework, Lumpy.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Damn I sure am tired of being on the losing end of arguements, cause you all tell me I’m losing them. So I’ll jump on the feminist self adulation tour bus too.

In the beggining there was godess and she made men and angels, (women). The men of course raped the pure angels and subverted them with their wicked ways. The men stole all the womens ideas and forced the women to build them and called these marvels their own. Just when it seemed all was lost feminism shone a light and the godess was happy. Soon all the world lived in peace and harmony under the purity of women. The end.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Well I cited your stat this time Captain Bathrobe. Does it look so much better?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

You could make an effort to, you know, Google something NWOslave.

Then you can actually be correct when making your claims instead of laughably wrong.

mish mash
mish mash
10 years ago

Well darn only 72%, I’ll take your word that. Hmm, pre feminism 10% post feminism 72% and rising.

So by your logic, diet soda, the Miike coal mine explosion in Japan, and the film adaptation of Oklahoma caused “illegitimate” pregnancies. You’re also going to go ahead with the assumption that everyone here agrees that it is WRONG and BAD when someone makes the decision to not get married. And where exactly did you get that 10% figure from anyway?

Hows that “it takes a village to raise a child” feminist motto lookin in the old Ghetto.

You are now seriously trying to claim that feminists believe ghetto conditions to be ideal for children. At this point, I have to say you are just trolling and giggling maniacally at the fact that people here think you are being serious.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

Mish mash, we know he is not serious-however this is probably as close as he gets to having friends. 🙁

Holly
10 years ago

NWOslave – Does it ever weird you out that the things you say to mock feminists in no way resemble the actual words of all the feminists talking to you right now?

I swear, we could be here saying “Zebras are black and white!” and you’d get all “LOOK AT ME I’M A FEMINIST I THINK ZEBRAS ARE GREEN AND BLUE!”

Isn’t it kind of hard to keep that up after a while?

Pecunium
10 years ago

Captain Bathrobe: They are actually in decline:

# The divorce rate in 2005 (per 1,000 people) was 3.6 — the lowest rate since 1970, and down from 4.2 in 2000 and from 4.7 in 1990. (The peak was at 5.3 in 1981, according to the Associated Press.)

The rate of marriage is also down a bit…
# The marriage rate in 2005 (per 1,000) was 7.5, down from 7.8 the previous year.

So, based on that; should the baselines be stabilised (and the downward trend on divorce has been steady since it’s peak.

If we look at the historical trend, we see a spike in 1945, then a return to the mean. When divorce laws were liberalised there was a trend to a new mean. Once that mean was reached the rate was pretty stable.

The downward trend probably reflects these factors Income > 50,000 (total). First child > 7 months after marriage. Age at marriage > 25. Some College vs. High School Dropout (I would prefer the latter stat to be HS grad, but I didn’t do the research).

Most of which are, not so oddly, factors which lead to a greater likelihood of ideas of equality in the marriage. Go figure.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

“It takes a village…” is an Africa proverb, I believe. Kinda pre-dates feminism. It is, however, a well-taken point: kids benefit from a lot of community support. As a parent, I utilize more public resources than I ever did before–libraries, public parks, activities through local parks and recreation, etc. I’ll soon be interacting with the public school system when my oldest goes into kindergarten. I also interact more with my neighbors than I ever did before,out of necessity. Kids get into things, they make noise, and they like to play where people are trying to drive their cars. Having a good relationship with the neighbors goes a long way toward keeping the kids safe and out of trouble. It a fairly uncontroversial point, really.

mish mash
mish mash
10 years ago

Mish mash, we know he is not serious-however this is probably as close as he gets to having friends. 🙁

Now you have to make me go and feel bad for the guy. ;_;

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

Pecunium, do you mean to say that our little friend is wrong again? Say it isn’t so!

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

he will cure that soon enough Mish Mash.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Capt. Bathrobe: I spent 16 years in the Army. You command, I obey: “It isn’t so.”

/malicious obedience

I’d stay, for more of this, but the late afternoon sun is about to hit the tidal embayments of Palo Alto and the birds will be bathed in really nice light, so I shall go and do some work. Make hay (well, photos) while the sun shines.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

No Holly it doesn’t wierd me out at all. because if I say for instance that a certain feminist law, say divorce is unfair to men, you’ll say but I’m not like that. If a say another law of whatever is unfair you could say I would never do that but I support the right of someone else to do that.

What it comes down to is that feminist are composed of a thousand different ideologies, supposedly. Radical, Marxist, centrist, progressive, blah, blah, blah. So if I try to blame a certain “group” you’re not like that, yet “that” is a part of feminism. It’s the ultimate defense, because your supposedly not a monolithic block. Yet if millions of men are being treated unfairly by law, instigated and enfored by the various factions of feminism, than feminism IS to blame. Tadaa, silence IS consent. Your group is a Marxist hate group even if your not like that.

Holly
10 years ago

You do realize that our government and justice system are most definitely not run by feminists? When a dude goes to jail unjustly, it doesn’t follow that it was necessarily a feminist action. Generally, it was a justice system fuck-up.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

NWOslave:

So you say. In fact you can spew all you want about what you “think” feminism is, but since you don’t provide evidence, there is no reason why we should believe you. Is this the “ultimate defense?”

Add this to the fact that every time you bring up a situation where the man is ACTUALLY treated unfairly, we agree with you! So yes, “we are not like that.” And since you have no evidence of a big marxist/feminist/whatever-other-scary-buzz-word-you-can-think-of conspiracy, we have no reason to believe you when you say that other feminists are like that.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@David

None of my comments are getting through recently. Is this something on your end or mine?

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

C’mon now Holly, if a man wants equal child custody and doesn’t get it, this is feminist law. If a man and woman both apply for the same job and the man is better qualified in this particular case and the woman gets the job because of quota’s this is feminist law. I mean the list of these laws are endless. Even if YOU’RE not like that your movement is.

I mean if I was in some freaked out white supremacist group and a faction of that group was into hanging minorities and I said well gee all members of my group aren’t like that. Would you say, “gosh you’re right, thats a swell group you got there!”

Well, Tadaa once again. You’re that group. I hold you accountable.

Holly
10 years ago

If you were in a freaked out white supremacist group (you’re not? and I constantly heard you arguing for the equality of all races, befriending people of all races, and treating people of all races equally in your life and work–I’d either decide that you weren’t really part of that group or I’d reevaluate what exactly that group is about. But I wouldn’t keep yelling “YOU HATE MINORITIES YES YOU DO I JUST KNOW IT.” That’s just ignoring evidence.

Also, um, there are no job quotas, and giving child custody to women is a mostly anti-feminist act based on the assumption that women are better suited for childcare. Feminists would rather have there be more single dads and stay-at-home dads in the world.

Shaenon
10 years ago

Feminist marriages have like a 95% failure rate, what stat did you just pull out of your ass.

Not a trace of irony. None.

Sometimes this site hits a perfect moment of Zen, doesn’t it?

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Well Holly, I suggest you reevaluate feminism, because loads of you group are getting gender specific laws passed.

And really how seriously can I take anyone why says, “Also, um, there are no job quotas, and giving child custody to women is a mostly anti-feminist act based on the assumption that women are better suited for childcare.”

Truely epic fail indeed, no quota system and feminism fights for equal custody. Well praise the godess, I’ve been misinformed. I’m just going to hop on my pegasus and fly to the moon to visit the godhead of lesbians and thank them in person. When I get back we’ll drink ambrosia while visions of sugarplums dance in my head.

Holly
10 years ago

Well, yes, you were misinformed. Try reinforming yourself from neutral sources!