Do MGTOWers get their notions of modern romance from old Smurf cartoons? I’m beginning to think they do. As you may remember, the world of the Smurfs was an all-male bastion until evil Gargamel created the creature he called Smurfette from a mixture of
Sugar and spice but nothing nice…A dram of crocodile tears…A peck of bird brain…The tip of an adder’s tongue…Half a pack of lies, white, of course…The slyness of a cat…The vanity of a peacock…The chatter of a magpie…The guile of a vixen and the disposition of a shrew…And of course the hardest stone for her heart…..
Initially an evil, deceitful brunette, Smurfette was transformed by Papa Smurf into a glamorous (and less obviously evil) blonde. At which point Smurfs young and old began falling in love with her, supplicating themselves before her Smurfy beauty. Even Papa Smurf himself had the Smurfs for her, as you can see in the video above – even though, as her co-creator, he was basically her father. Ick. Sometimes Smurfette played her smurfy suitors against one another, inspiring them to even greater depths of supplication.
MGTOWers, and a lot of MRAs, basically see this as the basic paradigm of romance: men jumping through hoops to even get noticed by stuck-up women who need do nothing but exist in order to garner male attention. In the Smurf world, this was because there was only one Smurfette in a village full of lonely Smurfs. In the real world, in which men and women balance out more evenly, well, MGTOWers and MRA recreate the weird Smurfy imbalance by simply declaring most women undateable – too old (if they’re over 25 or 30) or too fat (with BMIs over 25). Hey presto! Now men, much like Smurfs, can compete against one another for the same small number of women, making almost everyone miserable in the process, especially themselves.
In Smurf world, of course, Smurfette is chaste and pure; she may kiss the boys but that’s about it. This hardly comports with the MGTOW notion that women are all slutty sluts, bedding down with every thug-boy and alpha male who makes their ‘ginas tingle, to use the peculiarly offputting parlance of the misogynist set. Natually enough, a few creative internetters have reimagined Smurfette as a Smurfslut. Warning: this video may destroy your image of Smurfette forever. This one’s worse.
Oh, and for an interesting discussion of the misogyny and apparent anti-Semitism of Smurf creator Peyo, see here.
Man, it’s probably already been said. But I just watch that video and uh, the smurfs are major creepers.
‘Hey fuck you man, we’re talking about some fleeting surge of personal emotion, there’s nothing to “repeat”. I’m not “sorry” because I didn’t actually DO anything.’
This is the kind of thing a sociopath says. Yes, it IS you. This is you. A rage-filled, misogynist sociopath. You have said plenty on this and other threads to cement that impression in our minds. Calling women ‘bitches’ is doing plenty in my book- not even mentioning all of the other horrible things you say- for example, wanting to hurt a woman (and RIP HER LEFT EYE OUT!?! WTF, psycho?!)) in an elevator for not being fake-nice enough to you. And then saying you didn’t DO anything. Jesus fucking Christ. You are poison. And, hey- fuck you too.
I used to like this blog. Now it just gives me a fucking headache.
Why? MRAL and his non stop fucking made up fucking whining.
Seriously, by giving this wankstain a voice, you are alienating people who actually want to read the blog.
Fuck this. Out.
Simone, whenever a woman fails to smile at me and say hello when we pass in the street, it’s literally like she nailed me up on a cross and left me to die in the burning desert sun.
Also, too, smurf.
The whole “I got mad and you made me do it” attitude is really common among abusers, and yes, it is very entitled and very creepy. It’s the kind of thing that sets off alarm bells in other people, because that attitude can be very, very dangerous in a partner. Anyone with an ounce of self-preservation is going to avoid it like the plague.
And before anyone whines about being put in the company of abusers, you put yourself there. I’m just making the connection.
MRAL, your attitude is not the responsibility of other people. Your rage is not the responsibility of other people. It’s yours and yours alone. the good news is that you CAN change it if you want to, once you own up to it. It’ll take work, but it is possible.
As for the smurfs, I didn’t really watch them. You guys have much more extensive smurf knowledge than I do.
@Dave G
Add me to the list of people who’d really prefer that MRAL got his own damn blog.
MRAL scares the smurf out of me. Just today I was walking on the street and I passed several people–some of them male–and I didn’t smile or nod or say hi.
I assumed most of them were thinking the same thing I was: “hum de dum, walking from X to Y, yep there are other people here, but I don’t know them, so whatever, just walk on by.”
It’s scary to think that one of them might have been thinking I was a stuck-up bitch who was spitting on them, much less fantasizing about mutilating me.
Then again, sometimes people haven’t acknowledged me when I think they should have. I’ve certainly had that moment where I did know someone and said hi and they walked right on.
I would characterize my reaction as “slightly miffed,” at the utmost. Not “death rage.”
Kave, I am so sorry about your brother. I’ve wondered how many men in the MRM have untreated mental illnesses. Rather than get real help, though, they surround themselves by people who will make them more paranoid and delusional. Once someone has bought into the Spearhead worldview, though, it is like he is caught up in a cult and nobody on the outside of the cult can reach him. I hope that MRAL is not too far gone. The fact that he visits this website makes me wonder if he can still be reasoned with.
I’d say most of MRAL’s needs are being met here. Lots and lots of attention – who cares what kind? And a constant re-focus back to MRAL. It must almost seem like lots of people care about him. Gah. I’m kind of leaning toward Dave G.’s POV.
Kave:
He may have a mental illness, but I don’t think that absolves him of his own responsibility. I understand that mental illness is a terrible thing, and very difficult to deal with, and I am saying this as someone who struggles with it daily. But people with mental illnesses are still people, with positive and negative traits, and they can still be responsible for themselves and seek out help.
MRAL may be mentally ill, but he is defiantly an asshole. And giving him a free pass just because he may be mentally ill is dehumanizing to all people who struggle with mental illness.
MRAL: You are 20, that’s not a whole lot of years. I’ve been all over the world, and I get looked at by some people, not looked at by others.
1: I suspect you have a moderate, baseline, hostility towards women.
2: I suspect, no matter how hard you try, this shows.
3: I also suspect that as soon as you decide a woman has, “spit on” you, that hostility is more manifest.
3a: I suspect your threshold time for deciding you have been spit on is fairly short.
3b I suspect that manifestations of your hostility, more than your looks are the reason women turn away.
4: As a man, I expect a fair number of the fleeting interactions I have with women to be of the sort where I offer a token of “friendliness” and get ignored. I expect that because women have a, not unreasonable, worry that men will be inappropriate.
As an aside, I also think the incidence of your being “spat on” is self-fulfilling. You so expect it, because you have accepted the nonsense of of the MRA/PUA model of human sexuality that you don’t believe any woman will look at you twice.
I am not “Brad Pitt”. I don’t get “sex anytime I want it”. That’s mostly because my primary partner is 3,000 miles away. When that’s not the case, I still won’t get it anytime I want it. Sometimes she won’t be in the mood. The reverse is also true, and so she won’t be able to get it anytime she wants it; if I’m not in the mood and some other partner isn’t nearby.
But I do get enough sex. In my life I can’t say I have ever gone for any significant chunk of time when I was interested in sex without some woman deciding I was worth going to bed with.
I don’t use,”Game”. I don’t “neg”. I don’t pretend to be someone I ‘m not. I am certain I try to figure out the things which will interest her. Things which will make her want to get to know me better. If she’s not interested in heading to bed with me, that’s fine. Because sex is nice, but it’s not what it’s all about.
And… from a purely self-interested point of view… other women are watching. If I treat one woman who isn’t interested well, then the odds are I will treat a woman who is interested well too.
Which makes me more attractive to women.
Nobby: The moderating tool you describe is Disemvowelling. It used (though not commonly) at Making Light.
Teresa Nielsen Hayden created it, and when she was hired at Boing-Boing she used it there. I believe it is still used there. It’s moderately controversial. The reactions to it being largely (based on my observation, this is not a scientific study) based on two aspects of community mores:
1: A desire for an open forum, which isn’t rude/foul.
2: The history of commenting in a forum.
Boing-Boing had problems because an extant culture of “no hold barred” comments was being changed. Making Light didn’t because the community wanted to have an open discussion, but didn’t want to be trolled.
Complaints are that it’s “censorship”. Those (IMO) fail on three counts. One, censorship in a private forum is allowed. Someone who comes into my place and starts to shit on the carpet and piss in the punch is going to be shown the door. Two, the words are still there. If I have the urge, I can put it back together. Three, if someone comments before moderation removes the vowels, it doesn’t seem the response is an unwarranted non-sequitor.
Lol, Julia, you do realize that sociopaths, by definition, have muted emotional responses, right? Therefore, a “rage-filled sociopath” is an oxymoron.
Therefore, a “rage-filled sociopath” is an oxymoron.
Nope. Sociopaths can have a calm affect “on the surface” while seething with rage underneath. Emotional arousal is harder for the sociopath, but if that’s his baseline emotional state, well, he can resort to violence quite easily. That you recognize that your response was out of line is encouraging, but not enough.
That’s not the definition of a sociopath, MRAL. Look it up. And then fuck off.
Cripes. I just saw a short, slight man walk by the Starbucks window arm in arm with a tall, curvy “hot” woman. This never happens in MRA-land. I must be in the real world.
@Pecunium Ah, interesting, I’m a little sad it wasn’t a creation of Greta Christina, but thanks for the info. And the correction, since I spelled it wrong >.<.
Anyway, I wasn't proposing Futrelle do it often, just as a last jab before a full ban. These aren't fully open boards, and so a discussion of whether or not it's censorship is kinda beside the point.
Dang no preview! And by ‘it’ i meant smurfification, not disemvowling.
MRAL: Lack of affect is not the same as lack of feeling/emotion. I am quite capable of being cold when enraged. I’ve cultivated it, because it was useful for my job. It doesn’t mean I’m not angry, just that it’s not as evident.
Sociopathy is a form of Antisocial Disorder. The diagnostic criteria, per the DSM IV are:
There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
* failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviours as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
* deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
* Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
* Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
* Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
* Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honour financial obligations;
* Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
* The individual is at least age 18 years.
There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.
Which means calling you a sociopath is unwarranted. Honestly the very specificity of you wrathful ideation is one of the reasons I’m not as worried about it as some are. That you specify the left eye makes me think your problem is seated in your sense that you are physically unattractive, not from a specific hatred of women, qua women.
That is (though you seem unwilling to believe us) a correctable problem. If cosmetic correction isn’t possible, then attitude adjustment is. There are all sorts of examples of people who aren’t “attractive” who have managed to find partners, often partners who are, “attractive”. Biology being what it is, someone is is likely to think you are perfectly fine; if they can get past the reactionary anger/self-loathing (I realise this is a loaded phrase, but your consistent assertion that you are in some way so hideous that random passers by can’t bear to look you in the eye is indicative of a severe internalisation of your lack of worth; purely on a physical basis. I understand this. I have a very slight frame,and I have this [undeserved, so I am assured] belief that I am not all the prepossessing, even to the point of thinking I am unsightly. The acutal evidence of my life argues against it, but I am still a bit nervous about taking my shirt off in the presence of women I am interested in. I don’t let that stop me, but it does make me hesitate).
You are likely to tell me I am full of shit. That you can’t get women because they look down on you (metaphorically, as you are taller than the average american adult female), and despise you because you are an omega.
So, do yourself a favor. It’s late spring/early summer (depends on where you are). Go to a coffee shop, or streetside cafe. Get a table near the street. Look at the couples walking by. See how many of them there are. Look to see how many of them are, Look at all of them. Look to see how many have “Omega” men.
Use a notebook. If you want, try to decipher the pairings (A/A A/B A/O… B/A B/B B/O O/A A/B O/O) Do that for Males, and Females of each category (that will give you 18 possible combinations).
Do it for more than one day.
Then ask yourself if that empiric (extrinsic… none of us is good at evaluating ourselves) model is actually representative of the model the “Greek System” of the MRA/PUA describe.
I just thought of a way for MRAL to solve all his problems.
He should become emo.
Katz you just made me lol for realz. That would, in fact, fix everything. And maybe he could get some goth girls, who in my book are most certainly alphas.
Katz… The solution to being Emo is “becoming an hero”. Can you live with that on your conscience?
Also I am not a fan of the whole emo subculture. The weird thing is that almost every culture of rebellion has been constructive and “for a reason”. Hippies encouraged us to be green and peaceful. Punk encouraged us to not listen to the “man”. Grunge was anti conformist in a conformist way (Okay I cannot really defend grunge). Hell even Metal was just “be awesome and don’t care what all the people who judge you superficially say! If you want to put spikes on your leather jackets and sing songs about Valhalla using down tuned guitars then fine by us!”
Emo is just a complaint about how bleak someone’s life is despite the fact there is nothing bleak out there. Even the hippies and the punks lived in the shadow of the mushroom cloud (sorry I will stop using song lyrics!) but Emos are just “whiney”.
Maybe I have officially hit the age where I just don’t get kids anymore (25??? Its that it for me? In 10 years will I divorce my wife and have a midlife crisis? Scratch that? In 10 years will I have found a wife to divorce for my mid life crisis?)
Can you imagine a whinier MRA because you encouraged them to be emo? Good grief the world would implode from the concentration of self pity.
Maybe I am just jealous. Indian’s really don’t do emo well. It’s the accent. You cannot stay depressed if you sound like that! (Note Avicenna speaks like he wears a kilt)
Awww…emos get a lot of flack, and some of them are pretty whiny.
But the emos who have a little self-awareness, and a dark sense of humor, can be kind of awesome.
My best friend shops at Hot Topic and has some very weird beliefs, but she’s still one of the smartest, kindest, most interesting people I know.
However, as mentioned previously, I much prefer goths. And cybergoths. *nods*