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Internet Inactivism and the MRA Paradox

MRA in action

As I’ve pointed out before, the vast majority of Men’s Rights Activists aren’t really activists at all, if by “activists” you mean people who occasionally get off their asses and try to engage in political activity in the real world. As I put in in my piece for the Good Men Project on misogyny in the Men’s Rights movement,

Men’s rights activists aren’t much like any other activists I’ve ever run across. For one thing, for supposed activists they are almost completely inactive. Sure, they complain endlessly about things they see as terrible injustices against men. They just don’t do anything about them. While some of those who consider themselves fathers’ rights activists—a slightly different breed from your garden-variety MRAs—try to influence laws and legislatures, MRAs do little more than cultivate their resentments.

MRAs seem to be good at one thing, and one thing only: posting angry comments on websites, whether their own or on those of their many enemies – whether that’s on blogs like this one or in the comments section on various mainstream media sites they consider “misandrist.” (Actually: that’s not entirely fair – on a few occasions, MRAs have been moved to make threatening phone calls as well.) They don’t raise money for anything but their own web sites and their pet projects. They don’t organize demonstrations that involve more than a tiny handful of people.  Like, for example, this one, involving one dude dressed like Batman who climbed up onto a highway sign:

Or this one, which involved a dude dressed up as Batman and a dude dressed up as Robin, climbing up on a bridge.

If your protests typically involve fewer people than, say, the line of people waiting to use the Redbox video rental kiosk outside your local supermarket on a Friday night, I think it’s safe to say that yours is not a mass movement, at least not yet.

Am I being unfair in demanding MRAs actually, literally,get off their asses before I consider them to be activists? Perhaps.

But, as it turns out, MRAs aren’t much good at sitting-on-your-ass activism either. Case in point: For quite some time – weeks? months? — MRA elder Paul Elam has been urging readers of his blog A Voice For Men to sign a petition to disbar a District Attorney he and other MRAs have decided is corrupt. But despite his repeated pleas to his readers to sign the thing, it has not yet garnered the required 1000 signatures, even though at least a few of his readers have talked about signing it more than once. [Edited to add: it has now gotten more than 1000 signaturesd.]

Today, this particular example of internet inactivism prompted Elam to lash out at his non-signing readers. Declaring himself “tired and frustrated” and “sick of this shit,” he once again begged his readers to sign. Then he went a step further, suggesting that he might limit commenting on his site to “activists that are contributing to this site in one way or another” as a way of encouraging activism and discouraging those who are “sucking up air and doing little else.”

I don’t think further exhortation on his part – or limiting the comments there to “real” activists only – is likely to make much difference. [Edited to add: Nagging a few more people to spend two minutes signing an online petition is one thing. Actually transforming them into real activists is another.]  Elam is running up against the inherent paradox of Men’s Rights “activism” – the fact that most of those complaining the most about alleged injustices against men are not in fact interested in changing anything. Their “activism,” as it were, is little more than an excuse to wallow in their own bitterness, and to blame others for their own problems.

If MRAs really cared about domestic violence against men – as opposed to using the issue as a rhetorical weapon against feminists – they would be raising money and devoting their time to actually building shelters, like the (mostly) women who built the first shelters decades ago, and the (mostly) women who keep these shelters going today. If MRAs were really interested in stopping prison rape, instead of simply complaining about it, they’d be donating money to or working with the advocacy group Just Detention or other groups concerned about the treatment of prisoners. If they were really interested in helping those falsely accused of rape or other crimes, they’d be working with The Innocence Project or some other group fighting for the falsely accused or convicted. Or they would be starting real organizations of their own.

But that’s not, at heart, what the MRM is about. For all but a tiny handful of real activists, it’s not about changing the world. It’s about creating a space where men can kvetch and blame and cultivate their own sense of martyrdom. Actually trying to change the real world would involve , well, going out into the real world, a place where their assertions about the alleged oppression of men are seen as the nonsense they are, a place where their bitterness and hatred of women is seen as bitterness and hatred rather than the righteous anger they like to imagine that it is.

When MRAs do venture out of their self-created bubble they tend to either make fools of themselves – like Batman on the highway sign in the video above – or to reveal themselves to be the angry fanatics they are. Elam, for his part, sometimes even has trouble making his case in the relatively sympathetic environment of the Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit, and is quickly reduced to sputtering rage when anyone disagrees with him. In the end, sputtering rage seems to be what the MRM is really all about.

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Holly
10 years ago

Fiat currency leads to inflation, therefore JEWS. I see.

Amused
Amused
10 years ago

NWO: The case was appealed to the Maine Supreme Judicial Court and on Sept. 9, 2010 the Court ordered a new trial, concluding that Keller had engaged in prosecutorial misconduct because she had: ” improperly encouraged the jury to use the absence of evidence” etc.

Actually, you and your ilk have repeatedly libeled Ms. Keller — she has a case against you, so I’d cool it, if I were you. You have lied about her, even in that post above. The court did not find that she committed “prosecutorial misconduct”. Making a statement to a jury that is improper (for example, characterizing absence of evidence as evidence of absence) is corrected with an appropriate instruction or a new trial, but it does not amount to “prosecutorial misconduct”. A prosecutor who loses on appeal isn’t automatically guilty of prosecutorial misconduct any more than a plaintiff who loses a civil case is guilty of frivolous litigation. Prosecutorial misconduct would include things like falsifying evidence, withholding evidence, or suborning perjury; it would NOT include making an improperly argumentative statement to a jury, especially a statement of the kind that ordinary people — including MRA’S — CONSTANTLY use in their arguments. Similarly, you lied when you claimed that the wife’s claims were found to be false — just because the prosecutor chooses not to go ahead with a certain charge does not mean the complainant’s allegations were fabricated.

I read the actual decision of the appellate court in that case. I suggest you do too, before you make an ass of yourself (as if you need to demonstrate that again). The court actually specifically found that there was sufficient evidence to establish a prima facie case against the defendant, and DENIED defendant’s motion to order outright dismissal. You do realize that ordering a new trial isn’t tantamount to finding the defendant not guilty, right? If anything, it vindicates the prosecutor’s position that there was sufficient evidence for her to prosecute the case in the first place. There goes your pontificatin’ about “prosecutorial misconduct” right there. Jesus, do MRA’s ever use their brains? Do they even HAVE brains?

Also, let’s look at some other facts in this case, that aren’t filtered through MRA websites. The defendant one day announced to his wife (they live in Maine) and he was taking the kids and moving with them to Georgia. You know, it’s funny how MRA’s always kvetch about evil wommynz taking men’s children away and refusing them access, while lionizing a guy who did exactly that to his wife. The guy’s justification? His wife was supposedly crazy and he “tried” to deal with that for a long time. The only “proof” of this is his own self-serving testimony. Again, funny how MRA’s always kvetch about evil wommynz making gratuitous accusations of abuse against men in order to gain the upper hand in custody proceedings, while siding with a guy who did exactly that to his wife.

Anyway, bottom line, NWO: You HAVE in fact lied about women. You still do so. Blatantly.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

@Captain Bathrobe: Yeah, it’s hard to find information about the case that’s not coming from Filler’s attorney or Elam. Here’s the story about the original verdict. And here’s an interesting although one-sided blog post about the case. Note the comment from someone who (I think?) is Filler’s wife’s friend, and someone else who claims to have been on the jury.

Of course neither of those is conclusive. They just present a different point of view, from people who aren’t men’s rights activists. Plus of course you’ve got 12 people from a jury who thought the guy was guilty even though they had some knowledge of the custody issue (though not as much as they should have, says Maine’s appellate courts), and a trial judge who made some mistakes in the case (is anyone calling for his disbarment? Or does he get a pass from Elam?) — so you gotta think that maybe this isn’t as totally clear cut as NWOslave says.

Ah, and here’s the Maine Supreme Court’s decision, which goes through all the mistakes the trial court made.

Which, if the trial court made mistakes and now the guy’s case is remanded for retrial, that’s a good thing, right? But no … just more evidence of feminist jurisprudence. Everyone’s always out to get the poor man.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

before the federal reserve was signed into existence in 1913 there was NO inflation for 150 years of record keeping in the US.

I wonder if we’d return to the same inflation/non-inflation levels if we regressed to a turn of the century level of technology, as well? I imagine that the rapid progression and development of entirely new types of technology (everything from automobiles to improved agricultural technique to genetic sciences to the freaking Internet) probably has more to do with increasing inflation than the Rothschilds. New supply, new demand, new markets, new jobs, new industry…

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

Er, newsflash, inflation is not actually a bad thing. Runaway inflation is a bad thing. Moderate inflation encourages people to invest their money instead of keeping it under a mattress.

http://www.investorguide.com/igu-article-926-economic-trends-is-inflation-really-good-for-the-economy.html

(note: not a feminist source)

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Holly…My best friend is a JEW, I have another good friend who is a muslim from morrocco.

If the Rothchilds are Jews and control the money system, its not the Jews, its the fucking Rothchilds are their stranglehold on the world who are the problem. Or does that make me instantly anti-semetic? Also the likelyhood of any of the Rothchilds of having a drop of semetic blood is miniscule. Unless of course those asian muslims are all Arabs and all christians are of one nationality as well.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Plymouth…If inflation isn’t bad in everyway then put $500.00 in you matress and in 30 years see what you can buy. Will it be the same as today? If not you lost wealth, therefore bad.

Inflation runs about 7% a pear over the last 40 years. Therefore you need to double your earnings every 10 years in order to maintain the same level of wealth. So if you make $10.00 an hour today in 10 years you need $20,00 an hour, in 20 years you need $40.00 an hour in 30 years you need $80.00 an hour, in 40 years you need 160.00 and hour to maintain your same level of wealth as your original $10.00 an hour. Does this sound good to you. Wake up!

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

So, re: the Filler case,

Prosecutor and judge made mistakes and the appeal court ordered a new trial. See, that doesn’t sound like injustice. That sounds more like, I don’t know, justice. You know, the way the system is supposed to work.

Thanks to Amused and Bee. I think I’ll be letting the judicial process take its course before coming to any conclusions.

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

but nwo that I know NWOslave

I see what you did there.

And yes, that is a basenji.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Lady Victoria von Syrus…It has nothing what so ever to due with any technology. The system is set up so you lose money evey year.

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

And a quick note on economics: if you owe somebody money, inflation is good, because the money you pay back this year is worth less than the money you borrowed last year. If somebody owes you money, inflation is bad, because the money you get back this year is worth less than the money you lent out last year.

Now watch Slavey try to explain why bankers, who are in the business of lending out money, are responsible for inflation.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

I’m not saying that the bankers aren’t a detriment to the social order – the stock market crash and shenanigans perpetrated by Wall Street certainly demonstrate that. I’m not saying that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers aren’t some wealthy-ass sons of bitches.

I just am dubious that they are linked, and then linked to feminism as a way to keep the working man down.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Good for you Captain Bathrobe, maybe soon the day will come where you’re on trial. I’ll just let “justice” roll over you.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

Re: inflation,

If I owe $10,000 now, that means in 10 years I only owe half as much! Cool! Sign me up for some inflation!

If you knew anything about monetary policy, you would know that the Fed does everything in it’s power to curb inflation, including raising interest rates when unemployment gets too low, in order to suppress wage inflation. Working people lose under a low-inflation policy; investors win. The push for paper money in the 19th century in the US came from rural populists, mostly farmers groaning under post-Civil War deflation, which meant that their crops didn’t sell for as much and their debts were worth ever more.

A certain amount of inflation is necessary in an expanding economy. The gold standard is the exclusive province of crackpots and Ron Paul–which is, or course, redundant.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Lady Victoria von Syrus…Of course there linked. Do you want to know where your right of abortion comes from and planned parenthood and codoms in every school?

http://www.population-security.org/rockefeller/001_population_growth_and_the_american_future.htm

Go to chapter 11 and scroll down to the underlined sections. And see what the Rockefeller Foundation dictated to the Government. All the laws that you call “good.” You, feminism, fights for the rockefeller foundation.

ozymandias
10 years ago

NWO, love, you know why the UN and the US and apparently the Rothschilds have organizations for women?

Women fought for them.

For almost two hundred years, women (and some awesome men) have fought, bled, been imprisoned, marched, given money, written endless reams of books and pamphlets and letters and argued and argued and argued for women’s rights. It’s not perfect now but it’s better, and that is because we sacrificed.

If the MRM does the same, it will get the same.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

By the way that was in 1972.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

No ozymandias, they use you as they have always used women against men.

“There is no way of influencing men so powerfully as by means of the women. These should therefore be our chief study; we should insinuate ourselves into their good opinion, give them hints of emancipation from the tyranny of public opinion, and of standing up for themselves; it will be an immense relief to their enslaved minds to be freed from any one bond of restraint, and it will fire them the more, and cause them to work for us with zeal, without knowing that they do so, for they will only be indulging their own desire of personal admiration.”….Adam Weishaupt 1787.

“Women’s incipient social life and activities must be promoted, so that they can outgrow the narrowness of their philistine, individualistic psychology centred on home and family … In the sphere of sexual relations and marriage, a revolution is approaching … There can be no real mass movement without the women … We cannot exercise the dictatorship of the proletariat without having millions of women on our side. Nor can we engage in communist construction without them.”….Lenin 1920

Both, were even, then funded by the Rothchilds. Communism was funded wholly by the Rothchilds.
Feminism today is funded by the Rothchilds and Rockefellers.

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

Also, too: Andrew Leonard at Salon.com talks about Slavey’s Woodrow Wilson quote. The money quote:

the available evidence suggests that the quote is an after-the-fact fabrication made by splicing together passages of different Wilson statements that have nothing at all to do with the Federal Reserve.

So it turns out Slavey is full of shit. Again. What a surprise.

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

NWOSlave – I clearly said that inflation is good because it encourages people NOT TO KEEP THEIR MONEY UNDER A MATTRESS. Now you’re telling me to keep my money under a mattress to prove that inflation is bad?? WTF? It’s KEEPING MONEY UNDER A MATTRESS that is bad for the economy. God, you really do live in opposite world, don’t you?

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

“Teach those impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to colonial status.”

– Nathan Mayer Rothschild 1811

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

The Great Andrew Jackson.

You see the war has always been between the bankers and the rest of us. Rest assured anything the Rothchilds/Rockefellers support is detrimental to society.

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

No, Slavey, you’re not going to trick me into trying to debunk every bullshit quote you squat down and spatter this blog with. I don’t have to, because everything you post is bullshit.

In fact, you’re so full of shit I bet you cry brown tears.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Theres nothing you can debunk Johnny Pez, what is written is the memiors of woodrow wilson. Just because you can’t accept the facts changes nothing. Do you want to know how much of a slave you really are? In the bottom right hand corner of your birth certificate is a number, take that number to a stock broker and ask what its worth. YOU have a value on the stock exchange, YOU are a commodity. YOU are a slave.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

This is fricking awesome:

In the bottom right hand corner of your birth certificate is a number, take that number to a stock broker and ask what its worth. YOU have a value on the stock exchange, YOU are a commodity. YOU are a slave.

We don’t even need to make fun of him. It’s like he makes fun of himself!

Johnny Pez: I love basenjis. Such little cuties.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

If its so laughably funny Bee, why not give it shot to prove how deranged the old slavey is? I mean what have you got to lose? Or will you just say, “Nah it can’t be true.”

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

David, you know he’s just going to switch to some other nonsense like the Amero or the NAFTA Superhighway. There are no practical limits to Slavey’s BS.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

What is next, telling us if he just files his Actual and Constructive Notice by Affidavit To All Parties Concerned of Qualified Elector And Citizenship Status with the county sheriff, he will be a free man on the land?

And yes, that is a document I am quite literally staring at as I type this that has been filed prior to release someone from their citizenship.

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

Bee, you remind me of important matters. There’s a time to blog, and a time to cuddle basenjis.

Be back later.

Sam L
10 years ago

NWO Slave, settle a bet. Are you from the rural midwest?

johnnykaje
10 years ago

You know what would be funny? If we got a petition going to have Elam legally change his name to Colonel Froofroo Sillybuns.

And it gets 1000 signatures in a fraction of the time.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

I saw your post after I wrote mine David so sorry I mentioned it.

I am shocked though, I just peeked at the Spearhead and nada on that jackass known as Christopher Savoie winning that default against his ex-wife since she took off for Japan with the children. I would think they would be all aflutter with joy that yet another man got his revenge.

Simone Lovelace
10 years ago

JohnnyKaje, I would totes sign that petition.

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

@johnnykaje
Thank you very much for the laugh. I would also sign it if such a petition existed.

johnnykaje
10 years ago

Here’s a site for them, but I dunno if I want to stick with a name change, or petition him to donate to a worthy cause.

I should have two separate petitions as to what to petition him to do.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/create.html

ScareCrow P-Man
10 years ago

Wrong. It is now more than 1000 signatures.

I contacted NCFM. The president said that most do not like signing online petitions because if they do not get enough signatures, it can lead to an increase in the bad behavior.

Sorry Dave, but like many things you write about – you are just plain wrong.

Also, if you google “Mary Kellett”, you will see that far more than MRA sites are writing about her corrupt practices and sexual biased policies.

Keep up the lying though – the days of your lies are numbered.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

Yawn! Your logic is as sharp as ever, ScareCrow P-Man. Things change? MRAs don’t sign petitions because if the petitions don’t get enough signatures bad things will happen? Nice.

And actually, I have googled Mary Kellett, and it is mostly MRA sites that are calling for her dismissal, and open or general sites that allow anyone to post there. With the one exception of the seemingly straight-up SAVE Services, I’m really just seeing Paul Elam fans reprinting his words. Which can be activism of a sort, I suppose, but doesn’t support an idea of widespread anti-Kellettism.

And the threat, ScareCrow P-Man? Not classy, dude.

mediumdave
mediumdave
10 years ago

Ooh, the days of his lies are numbered! Maybe that anti-feminist stuxnet thingy is almost ready to launch.

No suprises here
No suprises here
10 years ago

Not in the least bit surprising that manboobz and his followers would support this domestic abusing, false rape accusing and child abusing woman and the corrupt practices of mary keller.

Its like marcotte et als support for Crystal Magnum all over again.

ScareCrow P-Man
10 years ago

@Bee – your fear smells delicious!

The action was a 50/50 parenting bill. It didn’t get enough signatures, and they speculated that it set the bill back 10 years. This is what I was told, not my “logic”.

And – as far as my “logic” goes – no “logic” is going on here. The Mary Kellett petition has more than 1000 signatures. This is a fact, not a line of reasoning. I am not surprised that someone like yourself is not capable of distinguishing the two.

When I googled Mary Kellett, I did see quite a few MRA sites, but I also saw quite a few non-MRA sites. Keep it up though… your self-delusions. I guess that if I were silly enough to believe the stuff Dave writes, I’d probably be wrapped up in a world of fantasy too.

They are making a difference – whether you like it or not.

The false rape society at the beginning of the year had only 60 followers – now it has more than 100. And that number will increase even more in the future – as I have not done the URL’s at urinals thing yet – and – I plan to make a television commercial for them too.

It was no threat. Eventually, people who spread hate-inspiring lies will be revealed for being just that – hate mongers. Just like the KKK used rape as a tool to frighten people into siding with them for “protection”, the same thing is happening today.

@mediumdave – Your fear smells delicious too.

It’s no wonder I enjoy reading this blog.

Xtra
10 years ago

“You know what would be funny? If we got a petition going to have Elam legally change his name to Colonel Froofroo Sillybuns.And it gets 1000 signatures in a fraction of the time.”

@Johnnykaje, I’d sign that petition. Colonel Fopaw Smurf would also be good.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

ScareCrow P-Man, I’m surprised that someone as brilliant as you needs to have this explained to them. You said David’s “wrong” because he wrote that the petition did not have 1000 signatures. When he wrote his post, it did not. The fact that it does now (thanks to MRAs signing it twice and lying about their addresses) has no bearing on David’s original post. What’s next? Writing major news outlets and telling them they’re wrong because they wrote articles in 2003 that said Osama Bin Laden is at large?

Point the Second. If a group of people who support an action realize that if a petition that calls for said action doesn’t reach a certain number of signatures there will be a bad outcome for their cause, they should either (1) not start the petition or (2) sign the petition, helping it to reach its goal and preventing the bad outcome. Deciding not to sign a petition that has already been started would seem to doom it to the failure the group fears.

I can’t believe I actually explained all that. Shame on me for feeding the troll, I guess.

As far as the non-MRA sites that mention Kellett, click on the links. They are, as I said, open sites that allow anyone to post there. Apparently Elam’s fans reposted his blog post wherever they could, as he told them to.

That’s totally awesome that you’ve reached out to 100 deluded, bitter crazypeople, though. Keep up the good work.

Pecunium
10 years ago

I see NWO is being less than thoughtful again. If I were in possession of food, and selling it on the black market I’d have to be stupid beyond all belief to sell all of it and then buy it back from some other profiteer.

Which shows why the rest of his attempts at argument fail to actually stand up. But he’s really good at derailing topics.

His arguments, such as they are,boil down to, “Women have all the power, and men will never win. That’s why we have to bitch and whine on the internet. If we did it in visibly activist ways the MSM, the Rothschilds, the UN and all the other oppressive arms of the Female World Order would hunt us down and kill us the way they engineered the mass starvation of men in Haiti; once we achieve the victory we deserve we can be public in our views.”

Conveniently this seems to be the thinking of most MRA types, so it’s just the run of the mill misogynists we have to deal with, which is hard enough as it is.

ScareCrow P-Man
10 years ago

@Xtra: “a petition going to have Elam legally change his name to Colonel Froofroo Sillybuns”

So – you do believe in infringing on the rights of others – and forcing your will upon them – all in an attempt to humiliate them. Why am I not surprised… Isn’t that what rapists do?

@Bee:
2. thanks to MRAs signing it twice and lying about their addresses

This is speculation – not fact. FAIL

3. has no bearing on David’s original post.

Yes it does – it shows he underestimates the activism of MRA’s – the very premise of the article. FAIL

4. What’s next? Writing major news outlets and telling them they’re wrong because they wrote articles in 2003 that said Osama Bin Laden is at large?

Now you’re just being stupid. FAIL

5. I can’t believe I actually explained all that. Shame on me for feeding the troll, I guess.

Trying to pass my arguments off by labeling me as a troll – FAIL.

6. As far as the non-MRA sites that mention Kellett, click on the links. They are, as I said, open sites that allow anyone to post there.

Wrong – some are sites that have nothing to do with MRM and do not allow anybody to post there – FAIL.

7. Apparently Elam’s fans re-posted his blog post wherever they could, as he told them to.

Many did, but apparently, there are people outside the MRM who also noticed the injustices of Mary Kellett.

8. That’s totally awesome that you’ve reached out to 100 deluded, bitter crazypeople, though. Keep up the good work.

Wrong. I did not reach out to them – Paul did – and he reached out to more than 100. EPIC FAIL.

Tell me – why are you so against an investigation into Mary Kellett? If she is perverting the course of justice – isn’t the petition a good cause?

What harm would an investigation do?

Why are you so bitterly opposed to it, and why do you delude yourself into thinking that so few people want to see an investigation done?

ScareCrow P-Man
10 years ago

@Bee:

Oh, and P.S. why is it that you believe that people who suspect Mary Kellett of mishandling evidence, being sexually biased and perverting the course of justice – are “bitter” and “crazy”?

Are you saying that people who want to actively pursue justice and see an investigation performed on a D.A. whose actions and convictions (and sometimes a LACK of a convitcion) are just “crazy”?

When did people standing up for justice become “bitter” and “crazy”?

mediumdave
mediumdave
10 years ago

Right, Scarecrow. I doubt that the MRM has enough guys in it to make up 1000 unique, eligible individuals who’d sign the petition.

And your comment about “fear” is absurd… I don’t own a Siemens centrifuge. Just a Sierra overdrive that refuses to work half the time. You’re really funny, and not scary (to me).

mediumdave
mediumdave
10 years ago

(In case anyone is wondering, I’m referring to this post by Antifeministtech.) I don’t think our boy really understands what Stuxnet is for, if he thinks that it’d be an effective weapon against feminists online.

For one thing, most orgs don’t host their own web sites. For another, web sites are less vulnerable to the kind of disruption that the Stuxnet worm causes. If they go down, it’s not that hard to put them back up again. DOS attacks, no matter how sophisticated, rarely keep sites down for more than a day. Using stuxnet in this case would be like using a sniper rifle against a human wave assault (you’d get a few, but it wouldn’t make much difference). Hence the mockery.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

Oh no, ScareCrow P-Man, you misunderstand me (and most things, it seems).

The 100 deluded and bitter crazypeople are the people who have decided to follow the false rape blog. Although Elam’s fans are no less bitter, deluded, or crazy, I’m sure.

I’m not in a position to know everything about Mary Kellett’s life or work, but it looks to me from having read the state supreme court’s opinion that the trial judge made some errors that favored her position. I don’t know enough about legal ethics to know if she was acting unethically in even making these motions that the judge allowed, or whether she was just doing her job and trying to get convictions and mistakenly but in good faith made motions that ended up preventing the jury from hearing evidence that they should have heard. I do know that Elam’s characterization of what she did appears to put it in the worst possible light, and is proved untrue by official court records of what happened. That doesn’t surprise me. He’s an idiot.

I imagine that there should be an investigation done by the bar, and I further imagine that there will be one done. I don’t know where you got the idea that I’m “so bitterly opposed to it,” except perhaps for your poor comprehension skills. I have merely said that the call for her disbarment appears, through a google search, to be located solely within the MRM. And this is true.