Recently, in the comments to my Secret Life as a Group of Women post, our old friend evilwhitemaleempire offered this intriguing theory as to why I started this blog:
Your just a runt.
You put up that picture of Charles Altas so folks will think your not.
Your entire adult life has been about coping with the aggressive sexual displays of bigger, taller, more attractive men by throwing anti-male grenades at them. That’s why your a feminist. … you support the false rape/harassment industry because it acts to jail all those better men you can’t compete with.
You and your mangina ilk are what you have always been since high school. Nerds who think they can win the cheerleader if they can get the football captain jailed as a rapist.
I can’t fault his logic here, though evil here is making several incorrect assumptions that call into question his conclusion. One, I don’t actually support sending innocent men to jail on false rape charges, even if they were the captain of the football team in high school. Two, even in high school, I was never interested in the cheerleader type; as a nerdy alternative-music-loving slacker guy, I was much more interested in the girls who listened to The Jam rather than Journey. Also, the high school I went to was basically a high school for nerds; even the cheerleaders were a little nerdy. We didn’t have a football team; our basketball team was legendary for the length of its losing streak, while our chess team, meanwhile, racked up victory after victory.
But enough about my high school. The key point here is that manosphere dudes have somehow managed to convince themselves, despite massive evidence to the contrary, that sexual attraction is a very simple and straightforward thing: men want cheerleaders and Hooters waitresses; women want jocks and thugs. These are iron-clad rules, and apply to everyone, including the nerdiest of nerds and the feministest of feminists. (By everyone, of course, I mean cis heteros; manosphere dudes have no real theories about lgbt sexuality, and tend to forget it exists.)
So evil assumes that I (and presumably the rest of the feminist guys out there) have adopted feminism as a way to get into the pants of the cheerleaders who wouldn’t date us in high school. On the flip side, manosphere dudes often assume, bizarrely, that feminist women are all secretly obsessed with boning thuggish jocks.
In reality, of course, people tend to be interested in and attracted to people basically like them: gym rats go for gym rats, nerds for nerds, goths for goths, lawyers for lawyers, and so on, and so on, and scooby dooby doo.
To illustrate this point, I’d like to present some relevant anthropological data, in the form of video footage of the “aggressive sexual display” of one “alpha male” of a certain subspecies of homo sapiens. You will notes that this mating dance has attracted the attention of a female of the same type — and not a feminist. Unfortunately, as far as well can tell from the video itself, the dance did not result in successful copulation. In the end, our subject finds himself competing against the aggressive display of another male of the same type.
to MRA lieutenant
“This is the reason I consider myself an MRA. I’m sick of being tossed aside callously by entitled bitches and alpha assholes.”
Alpha assholes aren’t (this) problem.
Feminism is not the alphas getting all the best girls because they can beat you up. (THAT problem has always existed long before feminism.)
Feminism IS, however, the best girls selecting the alphas instead of you.
There is an important distinction here. See if you can make out what it is.
You people are clearly twisting my words. The MRM (unlike feminists) is egalitarian, despite the mass casualties (metaphorically speaking) that femibitches have inflicted upon me. The MRM (unlike feminists) is nonviolent. The MRM will create a peaceful revolution in which men are not valued for that which they cannot help, and men are not treated a pieces of fruit (Death of a Salesman, pp. 54, Arthur Miller was an MRM).
Forweg’s got your number, Lootenant! You’re just another feminist yourself!
In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if the entire MRM was being secretly controlled by the feminists.
Forweg, you are deluded.
Certainly, MRAL. Women won’t be forced to respect you, the MRM will just magically make all women WANT to respect you. Cause you are respectable. At all. In the slightest. (psst. this is sarcasm)
You are doing a great disservice to fruit by comparing them to men of your ilk. Perhaps you’d like to change that to an empty soda can? Or an expired jar of tomato paste?
Here is a thought experiment. List all the things that you, personally, desire from your life. Perhaps a stable career? Some fluid income? Perhaps an engaging hobby, a loving relationship, a family, an engaging sex life? Now unless you simply wrote down “pussy”, and after making a few minor adjustments, you may write in large bold letters across the top “WHAT WOMEN WANT.” Ta-da!
Its amazing how liberating it is to view other people as people.
@forweg:
Urk, again, the only place I can agree with you is on your last line. At least thats something.
You’re certainly a useful idiot for these feminists, a living example of their agenda carried out.
Looks like the game cult branch of feminism broke you down beyond repair. It’s genuinely tragic.
MRAL, let me repeat myself “NEWSFLASH MRAs, someone refusing to pity fuck you is not oppression.”
C’mon, forweg, you’re just twisting the Lootenant’s words around to make him sound like a desperate horndog who can’t get laid. There is so much more to him than that.
You see that, everyone? The Internet thinks I’m attractive.
Okay, dude. Sometimes people dump you, and that sucks. That doesn’t mean the whole gender is bad, it means that people are sometimes sucky and sometimes have no idea what they want and sometimes are just incompatible. Everyone who’s been dating for long enough has experienced being dumped for no easily understandable reason– yes, even Brad Pitt. That doesn’t mean you should start a revolution.
I’m not sure Arthur Miller was an MRA, you’ll have to back that up. I mean, he must have been a so-called “Alpha” considering he was married to Marilyn Monroe right up until just before she died.
In fact, there’s nothing in “Death of a Salesman” that would to me indicate any kind of MRA agenda at all. Loman’s wife is incredibly supportive of him, right up until the end. It’s Loman’s unethical fooling around behind her back that leads his son to lose respect for him, and that ultimately leads to the disintegration of his family.
It’s the glasses, Ozy. The glasses make all the difference.
@Ozymandias:
I think fantasizing about starting a revolution is probably easier than pulling himself down off that cross he’s nailed himself to.
You know, now I’m curious, and in an effort to gracefully glide back to the topic so that David allows us to keep spamming this thread, what exactly defines Alphas, Betas, and Omegas? Is it weight? By bmi or by appearance? Is it attractiveness? By whose opinion? (watch enough porn and you’ll know that attractiveness is absurdly subjective, or just look at beauty standards in other countries) Is it charisma? Are the other letters used, or is it just best, second best, and worst? What about the LGBT community, where do they factor in?
Also, where do I factor in? (For ego purposes only)
Age: 21
Height: 6’8″
Weight: 215 (reasonably skinny at my height)
Pretty laid back, generally amicable towards people around me with a decent set of good friends, but tends towards being an introvert.
Don’t want to scare off our new best friend too quickly, now would we? 🙂
@Johnny Pez
No, not tvtropes! Noooooooooo! (spends rest of night with thirty tabs open)
An alpha is a movie star, millionaire, or professional athlete; b beta is your typical MRA; and an omega is everyone else.
… Actually this makes perfect sense, Johnny. Celebrities date celebrities, the rest enjoy varying relationships with each other (omega to omega). And the MRAs are left in the cold, only associating with each other. Too bad the only thing keeping them there is their false catagorization.
eww.
don’t dump your refuse on us feminists. PUAPOS are misogynist scumbags.
Lootenant, now I’m curious: how “fat” does a woman have to be before she is a ZOMG DISGUSTINGLY FAT OMEGA??
Are we talking about women who wear a size 10/12?
http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/lizzie1.jpg
Or does a woman have to be actually overweight to inspire your utter contempt and revulsion? I mean, I can see why nobody would ever want to bed someone who looked like this…
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lju64gVzZr1qzigipo1_400.jpg
…oh wait.
You know, I only just now noticed MRAL’s “description” of me way back on the first page of comments. Every single thing in it was wrong, and in some cases way way way off, except for two things — me having a middle class background and having brown hair. Neither of these traits is particularly rare.
I don’t care what the Lootenant says. I take pride in being an omega.
You know, David, his description matches me better than you. Well-off family (the “not rich” is wrongish), and my hair is more mousey than brown (close enough), and I was ignored rather than bullied as a kid. So thats totally 2.5-3 points he got right!
Forweg,
I’m really confused about the PUAs are feminists rather than MRAs thing–so…we’re all agreed that imposing a hierarchy on the male population is a bad thing. No one here would disagree with you that it is wrong to objectify people by calling them alphas, betas, omegas, etc. So we agree that the PUA/Game thing is a crock. A feminist would say that it is ALSO a crock because it objectifies women by viewing them as life-support systems for neurotic hamsters. Do you know what a feminist would call a system in which everyone is forced into reductive roles that cut off their full potential as human beings? That would be patriarchy. It kinda sucks, huh?
Am I the only one weirded out by how MRAL seems to be equating “She won’t sleep with me” with “She doesn’t respect me”?
The two are completely different.
MRA Lt: You keep ignoring everyone’s real life examples of relationships that don’t fit the Greek alpha, beta, omega theory. Here’s another example for you. I am slim and my husband is very heavy. In your worldview, thin people and plus size people never fall in love, but I know from my own life they do.
Here’s another one for you. My husband loved the way I looked when I was nine months pregnant. He said my big, round tummy was cute. So where does a pregnant woman even fit on your Greek scale of attractiveness anyway? I was thin everywhere else on my body, yet my belly was large and round. You’ll have to invent another Greek letter for pregnancy, I guess.
Also, if MRA men want women who are beautiful enough to be Victoria’s Secret models, then they can’t marry someone and grow old together. After all, everyone ages unless they die young. I think it’s so sweet to see a senior citizen couple still in love after 40+ years of marriage. A superficial, looks obsessed person can’t achieve that because it’s impossible, even with Botox and plastic surgery, to look young forever.
David, I’m most curious about the “brown hair with black streaks” thing. Like, maybe I’m just not “alt” enough, but I have never seen that particular combination. I’ve had brown hair with teal streaks, and brown hair with pink streaks. My best friend has brown hair with green streaks. And lots of people with brown hair dye it black.
But brown hair with black streaks? Is that even a thing?
Yeah it is. I knew a girl whose hair was like that naturally.
But seriously. Being beta is either “being thin and small” or being “fat”. Look my gripe with “the fat people” (I myself am one). It’s a bit daft. I am technically a normal height in the west (out here I am a giant. Kirbywarp would be a foot and four inches over the average height here and people will take photographs of him and try and buy him for a circus…)
And perhaps the reason why women of any sort won’t date the MRA is due to their inherent loathsomeness. I wouldn’t want to date one of those “crazy feminists”. My ego has enough people wailing on it without trying to please someone who thinks all men should be shot out of a cannon at the sun. It’s the same logic as to why women won’t date MRAs. (I think…)