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A little over a week ago, a Florida man in the midst of a divorce hearing, apparently upset that he would have to pay child support, reportedly snapped and brutally attacked his wife, leaving her, as one account of the incident notes, “with two black eyes, broken facial bones and split lips.” (You can see the extent of her injuries here.) He’s now being held on felony battery charges. The woman had previously tried to get a restraining order against her husband, but apparently couldn’t convince the court he was dangerous enough to warrant it.
On The Spearhead, sadly but unsurprisingly, it’s the alleged attacker, Paul Gonzalez, who is getting the sympathy. W.F. Price, the site’s head honcho, weighed in on the subject yesterday. In his mind, apparently, the demand that Gonzalez actually provide some financial support for his two children was a provocation of sorts, which led him, as a Marine veteran, to “react … as warriors sometimes do in response to provocation — violently.”
At this point, we know very few details about the case. But that didn’t stop Price from opining confidently on what he imagines are injustices perpetrated against the poor alleged attacker:
What likely happened in that courtroom is that Gonzalez, representing himself, got the shaft. … We don’t know what the child support order was, but it was probably pretty hefty (as usual), and the visitation quite meager. Add to that the fact that his wife was already living with another man, despite having so recently given birth to Mr. Gonzalez’s daughter, and the situation must have seemed absolutely upside-down to the former marine. It was upside down. His wife is obviously a little tramp who has no problem swinging from one dick to another even while raising two babies, and there she was about to get rewarded with an upgrade in lifestyle while the chump father loses his kids and wallet. That’s why Mr. Gonzalez lost it.
Price does acknowledge, in a cursory way, that “beating your wife is always a bad idea” — though he seems less bothered by the beating than by the fact that in this case the divorcing wife “gets to go on camera making herself out to be a poor, innocent little victim. I highly doubt this woman is innocent.”
The commenters to Price’s article rallied around the alleged attacker. In a comment that got three times as many upvotes as downvotes from Spearhead readers, Greyghost celebrated Gonzalez as something of a hero:
I need to send that guy a prison christmas package. He was getting screwed and struck out. To bad he never heard of the spearhead. If about 10 to 15 percent of crapped on fathers did this kind of thing with some murders mixed in there the talk about fathers would sound a lot like the talk when the subject is islam.
Piercedhead offered this take:
Gonzalez may well have been overwhelmed by the realization that being innocent of all his wife’s false accusations made little difference to this fate – he still got treated as if he was worthless. In that case, might as well match the penalty with the appropriate deed…If the courts won’t dispense justice, someone else will – it’s a law of nature.
That’s right: bashing a woman’s face in is a kind of “justice.” Naturally enough, this being The Spearhead, this comment garnered (at last count) 56 upvotes from readers, and only 2 downvotes.
Mananon, meanwhile, suggested that the alleged attack had:
something to do with a warrior’s instinct for dignified self-reliance. … Strip a man of his dignity and what else is there left?
DCM, even more bluntly, described Gonzalez as:
a brave man and a hero.There will be more and more of these incidents and it will be a long time before women are seen as responsible for them — which they are. …It will be men who can’t take it any more who will ignite change.
took it a step further, saying that:
the only bit I feel sorry about is that he did not arrange to have someone else kill her such that his chances of being caught were minimal. By doing this in the middle of the court he will be put in a cage for a long, long time. And he does not deserve to be there. HE is the VICTIM.
Every one of these quotes, with the exception of Nolan’s, garnered at least a dozen upvotes from Spearhead readers. (Nolan’s comment so far has gotten no upvotes or downvotes.)
What sort of comment on this case will get you downvoted by the Spearheaders? One like this:
Wow! Nothing justifies violence. I wonder who will care for the baby while the mother recovers. Or doesn’t that matter?
What a coward. Mad at the judge, goes after a woman.
Actually advocating murder, no sweat. Suggesting that violence is wrong and worrying about the welfare of the children, outrageous!
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>THASF, how do you know she was taking him for a ride? Because he beat her up?
>I don't think it will be too long before Bill Price and the MRM starts to get credit for promoting violence against women, men (to them, 'manginas', cops, and even family court judges on the-spearhead. In this article alone, there are some atrocious statements…From The dude: "Honestly, I don’t know why more men don’t have their ex wives assassinated. It would be much better for them, plus they could make sure they have an alibi."And of course, one of their most popular members, Peter Nolan, who says:"The only bit I feel sorry about is that he did not arrange to have someone else kill her such that his chances of being caught were minimal."and this:"Welcome to your future. Once men like this realise that to do what they did will only land them in jail and they coolly and rationally decide to kill their tormenters in a way that they will not get caught? You are going to see a flood of dead women."And Peter Nolan has, several times, provided precise ways of murder to the MRA's on that board, such as this advice in a recent spearhead article 'The High Road':"Who are they going to rely in when pissed off men kill a few white knights to let them know that it is no longer acceptable to men to white knight? It’s going to happen. I can feel it in my bones. George Sodini is going to look like a kindergarten kid compared to what’s going to happen when real men who are real pissed off eventually decide they have had enough and do it in a well planned way. A way in which they will get away with it. Try these on for size. How hard is it for any man to figure out things like this.1. Place poisonous gas canisters into a mall. Detonate at a busy period. 80%+ will be women. The men will mostly be manginas.2. Poison the water supply in girls schools, police stations, guvment buildings. Full of women and manginas.3. Make false 911 DV calls and then shoot the cops with a long range high powered rifles. If enough men did this no cop would answer a 911 DV call ever again. There is no way to protect a cop from a high powered sporting rifle at night. None.Do any of you here realise just how easy it is to ANY of these things?" Murder rhetoric can be found going back to 2009 on the-spearhead.
>"THASF, how do you know she was taking him for a ride? Because he beat her up?"Because she was already with another guy before the checks started rolling in, that's how I know.That still doesn't give him – or anyone else – the right to use violence in response.Excuse me if I take the middle-of-the-road approach; these two are both kind of sleazy, repellent personalities, if you ask me.
>Currency is bunk because it wouldn't exist if humans didn't exist. It is not a law of nature.Beaver dams are bunk because they wouldn't exist if beavers didn't exist. Beehives are bunk because they wouldn't exist if bees didn't exist. Horse poop is bunk because it wouldn't exist if horses didn't exist.I pretty much picked that part of your comments arbitrarily. If I were to take the time to address all of your pretentious bloviating I wouldn't make it to work Monday.
>Here is the FBI's tip page for those interested in reporting Mr. Nolan.
>You do not have any information beyond her having a boyfriend and he beat her up.You have no idea when their marriage fell apart and when either one moved out. You have no idea when she decided to start dating this new guy-if she even was actually dating him (the reporter could have easily assumed the guy was her boyfriend without even asking.) You have no idea what the award was, how much she asked for, what Florida's laws are governing child support.Not only that but obviously the checks were not rolling in since that was the day the judge issued the order for child support.So to claim someone is being taken for a ride lacking all of that information and equating it with his beating her up shows me you obviously only are saying you despise someone using violence because you know what our reaction would be if you admitted you thought she deserved it.
>@Elizabeth,Good idea, but Peter Nolan lives in Germany. Bill Price, the person who publishes this garbage, lives in Seattle, WA. It is my understanding that Peter Nolan is on some watchlists already. As he should be.
>Christine WE, this is how these jokers work.They are, in the main, privileged little whiny fuckers whose only contribution to their glorious struggle against the misandrist oppressors is to cheerlead murderers like Sodini and talk a bunch of shit. They have all these ideas about what should be done with all us "white knights" and "manginas" but when it comes down to it they're counting on some other guy to go off the deep end and do their dirty work for them. They're all sitting around double-dog daring each other to become terrorists, all hoping someone else is going to be the one to pick up the gun. They crank up the impotent anger until some crapsack like Sodini acts on it and then they hope the rest of us get scared by it.
>"1. Place poisonous gas canisters into a mall. Detonate at a busy period. 80%+ will be women. The men will mostly be manginas.2. Poison the water supply in girls schools, police stations, guvment buildings. Full of women and manginas.3. Make false 911 DV calls and then shoot the cops with a long range high powered rifles. If enough men did this no cop would answer a 911 DV call ever again. There is no way to protect a cop from a high powered sporting rifle at night. None."I was laughing at that nonsense the other day. What infantile drivel. None of those sound like a good idea, even if you're a hardcore MRA type. Even if you're a genuine terrorist. I mean, if you use even a little common sense, you'd realize that the perp would get caught about five out of six times. Not to mention, somebody stupid enough to actually spell out such plans is not smart enough to pull it off without getting caught. No way. Honestly, that is about the level of intelligence that I would expect from those morons.It's like those guys just sit around reading Paladin Press books and stroking each other's egos and nothing else. That's actually kind of pitiful.
>The German version of the FBI. They may not be watching him close enough.
>"Beaver dams are bunk because they wouldn't exist if beavers didn't exist. Beehives are bunk because they wouldn't exist if bees didn't exist. Horse poop is bunk because it wouldn't exist if horses didn't exist."Ahh, but there's a difference. As intelligent beings, humans have the power of choice. The use of currency as a store of value is not nearly as inevitable for humans as an instinctual action performed by an animal that doesn't know any better. It's certainly not as inevitable as defecation.I think I should re-phrase my statement. You see, money does not have inherent value. A beaver's dams are a form of artificial habitat. They have inherent value. Beehives produce honey and nourish the bees' young. They have inherent value.Even animal feces can be used as fertilizer. It has inherent value.What can you say about a piece of paper with Ben Franklin's face on it? It's just paper!"I pretty much picked that part of your comments arbitrarily. If I were to take the time to address all of your pretentious bloviating I wouldn't make it to work Monday."Fine. I'll give you the short version:1. Many of the common laws found in human society are based on illogical gut-feeling and have nothing to do with any actual material gain or harm that a person receives. Case in point, censorship laws that define "obscene speech". Who do these laws protect and why? Who has a right to define what is obscene? Consensus does not make something obscene. Even if you got everyone on Earth to agree that something was obscene, it wouldn't be. Why? Because the property of being obscene is not a real value of any given thing. Water is wet, fire is hot, this book is obscene. Which of those three describes a real, intrinsic value? This is the same reason why currency is just a trick. Just a psychological game. It has no intrinsic value either. So, why do people fight over it?2. People should follow the golden rule and show each other respect at all times. The aim should always be to come to an agreement that is mutually beneficial for all parties.3. There is no such thing as moral objectivity, only moral relativity. The existence of objective morals would imply the existence of a priori knowledge. We know this to be false, because if you eliminate all conscious and sapient observers (i.e. by exterminating the human species), no such knowledge exists. In other words, it is not possible for a human being to justify themselves morally to anyone. It's all in your head. Religion is an example of mankind trying to turn our subjective morals into objective morals by ascribing them to a pre-eminent, all-powerful being with no beginning and no end. This, however, opens the way to tyranny. Manipulate religion, and you manipulate the masses as well. It would be better if mankind could find a way to structure our society around mutualist principles. Eliminate the class system and meaningless hierarchies. God to Government to Man to Woman to Child. Everything runs in a straight line from top to bottom. So what do you do? You level the playing field. You try and find a new meaning for mankind to exist in the absence of a divine purpose.
>Thasf:I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on free will. Our thoughts stem from our brains, which are completely governed by the laws of physics and chemistry. Whence then comes the power of choice?I'd posit that, for the same reason humans insist that we have free will over our actions, we create constructs like currency and obcenity laws. Value may not be inherent in a piece of paper, but it is still there because it represent value to us humans. Thus it is still important, and that is why people care about the value, and why people fight over it. Saying this value doesn't matter amounts to the same rationale people use to dismiss relativistic morals (morality isn't inherent in this universe, therefore it is meaningless).I haven't thought about this too much, so feel free to clarify your position or criticize mine. I'd be interested in continuing this discussion.
>Shorter MRA:The assailant is the real victim here!
>Eoghan:I'm not sure that works. David here isn't in tears on the matter, nor bemoaning the country's return to marxism, communism, godlessness and Islam. :)Perhaps you'd like to point to the original article that you find contradicts the OP?
>hope you are enjoying being the glen beck and fox news followers of the gender debate.Except for that whole "deliberately defrauding the audience" thing.
>Hrm.. has Eoghan's comment disappeared? I appear to have gone insane…
>You're not crazy! I saw it too!
>Yeah, I deleted it. I have banned a tiny number of commenters; Eoghan is one of them. Unfortunately, blogger doesn't actually let you ban people, so I delete his comments whenever he shows up.
>David, for added lulz, instead of deleting the comments, change them to "I like pie!" Though I suppose blogger won't let you do that, either.
>Agreed with Johnny. :PAnyway, thanks for the clarification.
>"You do not have any information beyond her having a boyfriend and he beat her up."You're right. I only have rumors to go on. I thought this entire site was about discussing all the malevolent hearsay from MRA blogs? ;)"Not only that but obviously the checks were not rolling in since that was the day the judge issued the order for child support."Sorry about that. As a consequence of my Washington-ese, I have a tendency to mix up tense a bit. What I should have said was before the checks start rolling in, not started."So to claim someone is being taken for a ride lacking all of that information and equating it with his beating her up shows me you obviously only are saying you despise someone using violence because you know what our reaction would be if you admitted you thought she deserved it."You're implying that's how I feel. No, I don't think that she deserved that. I don't think that anyone deserves that bullshit from anybody.Trust me, I could go into detail about my abusive, sexist dad, or my sister who died of leukemia ten years ago, or any other number of things, but I won't. I'll spare you that nonsense. All 3,100 words of it. I cut and pasted it into MS Word when I decided it was getting too long and much too depressing.Rest assured – or not-so-assured – I've seen this kind of violent shit first-hand. I suppose it's only human for me to try and seek out balancing factors. To try and find a reason for it. Honestly, there is no excuse for this sort of behavior. I'm sorry if you thought that was what I was trying to say. I do have a tendency to say things that sound a little cold and impartial, I know. That's just how I am. It drives a lot of people away. Sometimes, I tell myself that they just don't want to hear about the cold, harsh realities of our world. That they want to keep deluding themselves. But even that is a form of self-delusion on my part. That's why I keep my mouth shut most of the time. Better than making a fool of myself.@Kirby: An interesting hypothesis. So, you say that free will itself is a sort of a spiritual, non-material aspect of humans?I've thought of this potential before; about the hard problem of consciousness. Some people take that even further. For example, if the human brain is capable of formulating ideas about things that technically don't exist – for example, picturing a symbol for a numeric function that normal mathematics simply cannot parse – could the brain itself be said to run on non-mathematical principles? Could it be that consciousness itself is a result of a physical law that science does not yet understand? Hmm. I believe that these secrets will be revealed in due time. When computers are powerful enough. When scientists can model a human brain in a virtual space and get it to function like one, if such a thing is even possible.
>It's MORE pathetic that he was a Marine, and JUSTICE, if that even comes close to a proper spin on this, would be that guy going after the JUDGE or the bailiffs, but no. That pathetic cowardly piece of shit beats her. He had kids, he can pay for them. I knew these people in MRA did nto want father's rights, they want ABUSERS rights and to never be questioned like in yesteryear when men ruled and abused without consequence. THAT is what they want. Trigger warning on this article.
>Nietzsche spoke of the death of god and the rise of nihilism, but many people misinterpreted his intent. His intent was not to praise the nihilists; in fact, he was merely observing the fact that science had removed moral authority from the divine, and that it therefore fell upon a tangible sapient being to take the place of religion and provide their own moral authority. An "Ubermensch", or "Overman", who – through charisma, culture and sheer force-of-will – would lay down the law. Well, we all know how that turned out, don't we? Nietzsche would likely have been horrified had he lived to see what incredible depravity his ideas had inspired.But the problem's still there. How exactly does one go about setting rules for others if they have no real moral authority to do so? What recourse does anyone have? If nothing has any intrinsic value, does that mean that life, government, society and civilization are all utterly meaningless? Should humanity go hide in a corner and just quietly die?My proposed solution is a simple one. Humans should live for life itself. In fact, I believe that a loss of intrinsic value in all things is liberating, because then the question becomes how to give things value the proper way; by grounding them in physical law.Personally, I think our currency would make a whole lot more sense if it were tied to something. Like energy production/usage. Ever hear of the Technocracy movement? I think they had the right idea. Scientists and engineers in the lead, organizing society in such a way so that little is wasted and none are left wanting. A world where the dollar and the joule were the same thing. Currency actually tied to the entropy of the universe instead of having an imaginary, indefinite value. Wouldn't that be interesting?
>And this asshole at the spearhead equating this with self reliance and dignity? He doesn't have dignity because a big bad court gave his children justice? What a pathetic sociopath piece of shit this man is, the one beating that defenseless woman to a pulp, and the ones at the spearhead. As far as I'm concerned the FBI should watch all those nutjobs over there and their daily actions of 'dignity' preservation. Lunatics. There is no rad fem place on earth you would find something this crazed and imbalanced and dangerous. I mean even prostitutes abused from birth and time and time again by Johns and the system are not given this type of rhetorical back slapping and warning to the rest of society.
>"JUSTICE, if that even comes close to a proper spin on this, would be that guy going after the JUDGE or the bailiffs"I thought about that, but no. He was way too much of a yellow-bellied shitbag to think of something like that. Plus, if he has half a brain – which I sincerely doubt, given his former profession of choice – he probably reasoned that they'd end up stopping him sooner if he did that. They'd probably have tased him in about two seconds.This is a shame, though. I tend to have quite a bit of respect for Marines. They're almost always an upgrade from the Army as far as personal integrity and combat ability goes. What this man did disrespected the corps.