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Hey fellas! Are you tired of dealing with actual women? Would you rather spend a nice evening at home chatting amiably with a tiny virtual woman who lives inside your computer instead? If so, would it be OK if instead of resembling any woman you’ve ever met in real life this tiny virtual woman instead acted as though she’d been designed by some dude who’s never actually spoken with a real woman?
Also, I should add, if you chat her up cleverly enough, she’ll take off her virtual clothes and show you her virtual lady bits.
If this all sounds like heaven to you, you may want to check out a little “game” called Virtual Woman Millennium Edition. A friend of mine found it on Download.com theother day, and naturally thought of me. The game, such as it is, allows you to create the woman of your dreams. As the game publisher, an outfit calling itself CyberPunk Software, put it:
Virtual Woman users can build, talk, and compete against Virtual Women with full artificial intelligence. You choose their ethnic type, personality, location, clothing, etc
By “compete against,” the game makers mean, basically, that you chat with her until she either tells you to fuck off (you lose!) or she takes off her clothes (you win!). Sex, evidently, is something that women own, and the point of dating, for guys at least, is to sweet talk – or wheedle, or con — the ladies into giving it to them. Women “win,” by contrast, when they force guys to listen to their inane blather without giving the poor schmucks even a glimpse of their titties. (I’d like to think that when my dates take off their clothes we both win.)
I played the game the other night – or at least as much of it as I could stand. The first time, the game crashed before the conversation started. The second time, I played as a raging misogynist and offended my date by calling her a “whore” and a “cunt,” and she left in a huff. The third time, I chatted long enough to convince my date to remove her top. At which point real life asserted its demands, and I set the game aside, never to resume it.
Let’s just say that the conversations I had with each of these imaginary women were something less than sparkling. The woman who eventually took off her top blathered happily away about her hair for a few minutes, then segued into a conversation about how she hated going to new supermarkets because she wouldn’t know where to look to find the milk. She was shallow, silly, and self-absorbed, a virtual incarnation of every sexist stereotype of modern womanhood. In other words, she seemed to come straight from MGTOW central casting. My “conversation” with her only lasted a few minutes, but it seemed to take forever. If real women were like this, I think even I would consider Going My Own Way.
As one review on Download.com put it:
the girls are just plane stupid, they … keep repeating themselves over and over again, and allot of what they say makes no sense, I say something to them, and they asked me some silly question that makes no sense, once I said what to one about something stupid it said that made so sense, just to see what it would do, and it said ( why are you so worried about me being what?) and it did that with other things I said to it too, its stupid, don’t waist your time with this.
That pretty much hits the nale on the hed.
So many questions:
Were the makers of this game deliberately trying to make the women as annoying as possible, or do they think women are actually like this? Was the inanity of the conversation a bug – the result of shitty artificial intelligence programming – or a feature? Probably a bit of both.
More to the point: who could possibly enjoy a game like this? You’d have to have a pretty low opinion of women to be able to put up with the game’s casual misogyny. But if you hate women that much, why would you want to spend your evening talking to an imaginary woman about shopping and hair?
Perhaps that’s why the publisher seems to have abandoned the game; the latest update on its web site is from 2008.
As I’ve pointed out before, a small but significant number of “mansosphere” men are eagerly looking forward to the day when sex robots and/or “virtual” women will give men what they see as a real alternative to real women, thus putting supposedly spoiled “western” women in their place and destroying feminism to boot. One of the many fatal flaws in this scenario is that the only people who seem to be interested in making sexbots and VR women are guys who have no fucking clue what actual human women are like. But, hey, if it gets these guys out of the dating pool, that’s pretty much good news for everyone.
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>Once again the interests of those who want VR men are completely ignored. Le sigh.
>If those MGTOW guys actually had robot and virtual reality women, then they better hope the virtual women don't ever get artificial intelligence. As soon as that happens, even robots will reject those guys.
>Good point about the personalities. Maybe they will just design one that has stereotypical male traits?
>"That pretty much hits the nale on the hed." lol. :)Conversation is a very tricky thing to emulate, its no surprise these guys get it wrong. The easiest thing to do is to regurgitate stock phrases, perhaps trying to insert key words from the user's input. ELIZA did this to great effect, and managed to convince many people that it was a psychotherapist.This doesn't excuse the particular stock phrases that the programmers chose to use, nor the intent of the game to chat an AI's clothes off (cause thats how it works IRL).@Elizabeth: a stereotypical male would be too easy to emulate. :PUser: Hello.VRMan: *takes clothes off*YOU WIN!
>Hey everybody, misogynistman here. Oooo, I like that name. Anyhoo, I figured all you gals who own your sexuality, (cause it ain't a resource you use to garnish attention and/or material goods) would be pushing for VR sex and sexbots for men. I mean those guys are all losers anyway, right?
>I played with a different execution of the same concept sometime last year. The funny thing about this one was that the developer claimed that she had some amazingly awesome super-convincing AI chatbot algorithms. Turned out she just repeated the same three "sexy" phrases over and over again. Thus conversations went something like this:ME: What, in your opinion, is the most important challenge facing our youth today?HER: I want to suck on that big throbbing cock of yours.ME: Okay… so… oral sex among teens?
>Kirby: I should have been more specific-the female sex bots would have stereotypical male traits since these guys hate women but like boobies and other things.
>Elizabeth: Fair enough, though now I'm picturing a Jersey Shore guy's personality in a woman's body… *shudder*
>Kirbywarp, I can't believe you actually said this which can in no way be taken out of context…"This doesn't excuse the particular stock phrases that the programmers chose to use, nor the intent of the game to chat an AI's clothes off (cause thats how it works IRL)."Which would of course mean that a womans sexuality is her body and a mans sexuality is his ability to sweet talk a womans clothes off. In other words a man is visually turned on and a woman is verbally turned on. This is dangerous thinking, you're putting men and women into a box. Oh this is priceless when everyone proves me right AGAIN.Elizabeth, I can't help but think your comment was directed at me, I feel so wounded.
>But seriously, back to sexbots and VR girls. I mean why not? I am actually interested in your thoughts on the andvancement and perfection of the sexbot. Kinda a refernce to silons from the original battlestar galactica.
>NWO, I think kirby was being sarcastic there.
>Ahh I see, that does seem to be the case all to often. Ya know what would be cool Dave? If when an evil misogynist like myself posted something Mozarts Reqieum played or something equally evil sounding. And when everyone else posted flight of the bumblbee played or something equally angelic.I mean ya gotta admit that would be cool.
>(Note: nice ninja, David, and thanks. Thought I might as well still post a response)NWO: "Kirbywarp, I can't believe you actually said this which can in no way be taken out of context…"Should I congratulate you for doing the impossible then? My statements and intents:"This doesn't excuse the particular stock phrases that the programmers chose to use" – The programmers chose phrases that were vapid and shallow, possibly… I haven't played the game."nor the intent of the game to chat an AI's clothes off" – it should be clear why this is misogynistic"(cause thats how it works IRL)" – sarcasmI'm kinda confused how you could take this and get anything about a what a person's sexuality is IRL, let alone that I want to put men and women into boxes. Feel free to clarify your reasoning. I'm all ears.
>*laughs* That supposes those are stereotypical male traits but sure…
>NWOslave: this may shock you but sometimes people say things that have nothing to do with you.And some of those people are female people and they still are not talking about you.
>Reguardless of wether I missed the use of sarcasm due to my own dimwitted self, I seriously am more interested in everyones opinion of VR girls and more importantly sexbots. Which the Japanese seem to be pushing ahead full throtle with.As far as being misogynistic game, men do "chat womens clothes off in real life." I mean how else are they going to get to the good stuff? If I sit there and say nothing those clothes aren't going to just magically pop off.
>NWO: I'm not going to tell you my opinion of sexbots because I'm 100-110% sure that you are just looking for ammunition to prove how horrible feminists are.And about your last paragraph: You really don't understand the concept of relationships, do you?
>*makes a pair of breasts out of play doh* here NWOslave, now go away.
>Wow, this game is stupid. At least "Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball" had actual mechanics (even though it it's a bad game). This is just a chat simulation with a girl who is deep into uncanny valley.Another thing that's bothersome is that there are many examples in gaming that emulate this game to varying and horrifying degrees. Games like Heavy Rain, Metroid: Other M, Ninja Gaiden etc. try to have female game avatars bogged down with storylines and crap that make them absolutely nothing like women in real life. Even worse, these pathetic efforts are praised by the gaming industry and press.Ah, well, at least there's Ms. Pac Man, Final Fantasy, Super Smash Bros., Pokemon, Bejeweled, Tetris and even the original Metroid games. BTW, those games happen to be A LOT more popular than the aforementioned games with objectified chicks. I mean, who even remembers "Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball"?
>Now, now, cboye, how can you be sure I'm looking for "ammunition?" Besides, think of it as opportunity to further expose my backward thinking. Plus the mass media tells me women are superior debaters. I wouldn't stand a chance.Elisabeth, I prefer to make breats out of real dough, then I can bake them, watch them rise and eat them. I'm soo damn evil I scare myself.
>Umm…because, based on every other thing you've ever said, your rudimentary cognition faculties only make it through enough words to identify a buzzword you can wank about?
>cboye: its possible, just possible, that NWO has learned a little something about sarcasm, and is now exercising his newfound skill. :PI don't personally care that much about sex bots and VR girls. I've seen, and played, games similar to the OP. However, I also interact with real people on a daily basis, and recognize that the virtual women in those games are charicatures. Someone who is only exposed to those charicatures may find themselves unable to relate to, sympathize with, or understand real people. Therein lies the danger.
>Kirbywarp, good answer, very well thought out. As most people don't have much free time these days "meeting" and relating to people gets harder all the time. My job flies my all over north america and I meet new people all the time, however since my work is done in dairies for the most part, the work needs completetion quickly. What usually happens is I'll work like 5 to 7 16 hour days in a row to finish a job. So meeting and forming any meaningful friendshio/relationship doesn't really happen.Even other more stationary jobs, you might meet only the same people day in and day out. So a sexbot for a lonely man unable to "talk it up" due to poor social skill would be able to meet his sexual needs. Kinda of like a mechanical pet.
>Cboye, does my poor cognitive skills lead you to think less of me? Ahh well, so it goes.
>We are exposed to these caricatures in movies. -__________- And advertisements. We're bombarded with them everywhere.