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It’s not hard to find misogyny on manosphere sites. Hell, on some sites, like The Spearhead or MGTOWforums.com, it’s hard to find a discussion that’s not overflowing with misogyny.
What is hard to find, sometimes, is misogyny that is interesting. As I poked around on the regular sites today the misogyny all blurred together into one giant mass of “I’ve heard it all before.” Here, it’s: women are all dirty whores. There, it’s: those damn bitches will get their comeuppance when we Go Our Own Way. Yeah, yeah. Tell me something I don’t know.
So I’m going on strike today for better misogyny.
In the meantime, I present: a cat trying to jump onto a dresser. (In the interest of fairness, I should point out that cats can also do this.)
Maybe I’m just being cranky. There may well be some genuinely interesting misogyny I missed in either or both of the threads I linked to above. If you find some, feel free to post it in the comments.
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>Moral of the story: if you're interested in getting laid, concentrate on interacting with THE WOMAN YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, not some other dude. Homosocial interaction really fucks things up for a lot of guys.
>Thanks, DarkSide, it's as I suspected. The author is attempting to tar the VAWA with the same brush as the tainted Vladek Filler trial. In fact, VAWA has absolutely nothing to do with the Filler case. Typical MRA logic.
>To be fair "I'd wear pomade for ya, Throw on a new shirt for ya, I'd go to the gym for ya, You know I'd do almost anything for ya" makes for a terrible song. It's really like the blues. Singing about a woman that "done brung you low" is pretty much one of the biggest musical memes out there. If we had to sing about realistic relationships then our music would suck. People like hearing about songs that turn us into drooling morons mainly because we want to be able to feel like drooling morons around someone else. Oh we are picky and all that but the urge for love is phenomenal in our society. Otherwise we would pick our dates like the lovely people at Bharat Matrimony or Shaadi.com (Indian marriage websites. It's pretty much like a CV rather than a dating website.)
>Avicenna:How about this:"If you want me toI could hang 'round with youIf I only knewThat's what you're into"
>Slightly off topic, but in honor of Scott Adams' brave MRA stances, I offer a link to a New Zealand newspaper that has a feature story on a woman with a broken foot wearing a cast who pulled a man out of his wrecked car.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10719057Reality has a definite bias against MRA bs (quote remixed from Stephen Colbert's reality has a liberal bias).
>For crissake, they don’t want to bother anybody, they don’t want to engage anybody, the just want to GTOW in peace, maybe vent a little bit on their boards about the reasons why to eachother in what they imagine to be a safe space.If they want their forums to be a safe space, it's not hard to make it so. They could prevent unregistered members from even *viewing* their forums, and then heavily moderate new registrations, if they wanted to.If they're going to take the more common route of openness on the Internet, they're going to have to deal with the fact that not everybody is going to like what they have to say. Plenty of feminist bloggers, including David and people like Amanda Marcotte, deal with a LOT of harassment from opponents. If the people on the MGTOW forums would rather ride the kiddie coaster, they're going to have to take responsibility for their privacy. The Internet doesn't offer privacy by default. That's not what it's for.
>Victor,I don't know if you are telling the truth. The circumstances here are uncomfortable. But I want to proceed for a while as if you are telling the truth because the potential-you deserves that respect.I am so terribly sorry. Abusers are often more charismatic than their victims, and victims are disbelieved. Men are not the primary victims of domestic violence, but male victims exist, and are sometimes disbelieved because people don't understand that men can be abused and women can be abusers. The legal system, like individuals, often favors abusers. Abusers often go after victims pets, particularly to intimidate their victims into staying. You are not a bad person for having stayed. It is not your fault for not knowing how to deal with a system that is often baffling and unfriendly.I hope you can get help dealing with your trauma and find paths toward legal redress.
>"I'd wear pomade for ya,Throw on a new shirt for ya,I'd go to the gym for ya,You know I'd do almost anything for ya" Are you kidding? That sounds awesome–at the very least, listening to it would not cause my to sprain my eye muscles from rolling them so hard. Consider for a moment another pop song that's a big hit lately: I want your psycho, your vertigo stick.Want you in my rear window, baby it's sick. I want your love.Love, love, love, I want your love.Now that's a good pop song. Cheesy as hell, yes, a tad bit silly, certainly very overwrought–but GOOD pop music writing. The problem with "Grenade" is not that it's overwrought or unrealistic or exaggerated–it's that the sentiment at the base of it, if you take away all the poetical flourishes, is deeply, deeply toxic.
>@cboye:God, I loves me some Flight of the Conchords.
>Yeah, um, if anyone did that to one of my cats, I'd be out of there.
>It's awesome to know that many of the commenters on this thread are WAY too mentally strong to ever let someone abuse THEM. Jeez, why didn't she just leave after he hit her?
>Because by then he has systematically broken her will down and made it impossible to stand up for herself.Notice that we are saying "if someone harmed our loved one" not someone harmed us.Many people will fail to protect themselves while being willing to go to great lengths to protect the innocent or helpless of those who we love.
>So, if he hits you, that's one thing, but if he kicks your cat as part of his manipulative machinations, then come on, why the hell didn't you leave?
>Of course misogyny exists in the MR movement just like misandry exist in the feminist movement.What I seem to see is that obsessed feminists like David and the regular posters in here seem to call anything "misogyny" when an opinion is unfavourable towards women or feminism.In most feminist minds like the obsessed feminists on here, freedom of speech is only acceptable when its in favour of women.There isn't allowed to be a challenge or criticism against women or feminism as it's simply misogyny, end of story.
>In most feminist minds like the obsessed feminists on here, freedom of speech is only acceptable when its in favour of women.This is exactly what Dave was talking about–no originality, just the same tired old shit again and again and again. I mean, jeez Nick, it's like you're just phoning it in! The next time you post, I expect to be amused, not bored. Bring your "A" game for a change.
>In most feminist minds like the obsessed feminists on here, freedom of speech is only acceptable when its in favour of women.You'd better be careful, Nick. I've got the Thought Police on speed dial, and if I hear ONE MORE comment from you that's not pro-women, your ass is headed to the gulag.
>Rachel:I fully acknowledge the difficulty of abusive situations, particularly once you're already entangled in them. And I'm not saying any of this is Victor's fault or that, if I were him, I would have done so much better.But I am curious about how he ended up married to someone who hated the cats he loved. I know that "do you like animals?" was one of the first questions any potential boyfriend of mine would face.
>BTW, since I don't have to give Victor the benefit of the doubt, I won't. We only have his word for it that his wife deliberately expelled the first cat, and he admits that the decision to get rid of the second cat was mutual (though now he blames her for that, too).So, while Victor wants you to believe in the evil, cat-hating ex, it is at least as likely that the ex had nothing to do with the first cat's disappearance, and that giving up the second cat was a mutual response to the ex's pregnancy. It's only now that he's a bitter, divorced MRA that Victor has decided that his ex hated the cats and planned from the beginning to get rid of them.(And the cat in the video would have made the jump, no problem, if it hadn't been for those stupid magazines on the dresser.)
>@SallyMaybe we should go into business rewriting songs to be more realistic and positive. Except for the blues! You leave that whinging genre alone! I need something to play when I complain about women, work and crippling addictions to drugs. (That's pretty much most of the blues really)
>Go play with your kitty cats David, men have no feelings worth consideration.
>I don't see a problem with the promenade song. Besides, not all break up songs are unrealistic (people break up and feel miserable about it on a fairly regular basis). Also, there is good happy music that suggests a more healthy (or at least not abundantly creepy and violent) relationship. One example, Spill Canvas' "Our Song" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuID7HgjD_E "Smile" by Uncle Kracker works as well. Michael Franti's "Say Hey". "Falling for the First Time" by Barenaked Ladies. Oh, and let us not forget "Love Shack" sure, it is about an orgy, but a happy orgy.
>sure, it is about an orgyAnd this is a problem? 😛
>Nah, I don't want songs to be more positive or anything. I LIKE songs that are dark, that are about pain or break-ups or being mad at someone, or wanting to kill yourself, or whatever. I mean, I have a bit of a taste for Swedish traditional folk music, which is DARK. I mean, like, "I was mad at my stepmother so I cursed her to be pregnant with my brother for 30 years but when my brother was finally born he turned into a monster and killed me" dark. I also like songs that are happy, about orgies or letting your freak flag fly or being really, really in love. I'm just offended by the sheer stupidity of the narrator in the "Grenade" song. It's so over the top that it ceases to be romantic at all. I mean, it is meant to be romantic, right? But it fails at that. And so it doesn't really entertain. BAD pop music, in my book.
>men have no feelings worth considerationYou've internalized a very harmful, but false, message from the dominant culture. This is treatable, but it'll take work. Probably going to a therapist.
>@sallystrange, oh, I agree that grenade is one horrible piece of music.