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>Female action heroes: An abomination

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Most 12-year-old girls are not superheroines.
One of my favorite dopey complaints from the Men’s Rights crowd is that action movies featuring ass-kicking women are “unrealistic” because real women are too dainty to do all that ass-kicking shit. On The Spearhead today, W.F. Price aims his withering contempt at the new film Hanna: 
The ass-kicking chick flicks are getting more and more ridiculous as time goes on. In “Hanna” a girl is raised by her father to be a vicious killer somewhere in the arctic. Hanna is played by Saoirse Ronan, an Irish girl with a sweet smile who looks about as tough as a bunny rabbit. Nevertheless, we are supposed to suspend disbelief and accept that this waif is capable of breaking necks with a single blow.
Even worse, in the trailer for the film, young Miss Ronan is depicted doing … pull-ups!  “In general, women can’t do pull-ups,” Price complains, “and the vanishingly few who can don’t look much like Saoirse Ronan.”
Price does have a point. Real women can’t do the things that female action heroes do in films. Angelina Jolie may be a deeply scary woman, but I’m pretty sure she can’t take out entire boats full of trained assassins by herself, or jump from truck to truck on the highway to escape pursuers in cars, as she did as super seekret double (triple?) agent Evelyn Salt. Also, to the best of my knowledge, Sarah Michelle Gellar has never really slain even a single vampire. And there is no such thing as an indestructible cheerleader.
But here’s the thing, guys: All that crazy shit that male action stars do? Real men can’t do that either. Matt Damon is pretty buff, and I’m pretty sure he could take Angelina Jolie in a fight, but he’s not actually Jason Bourne. Christian Bale doesn’t put on a batsuit at night and run around town taking out baddies with his bare – well, gloved — hands. Toby Maguire can’t swing from building to building, or stick to walls; if he were bitten by a radioactive spider, he’d need to go to the hospital. Arnold is not the Terminator.
Also, and I hate to be the one who has to break this to you, guys: professional wrestling is fake.
I know it might be tough to take all this in, guys, so here’s Captain Kirk fighting a very slow-moving alien monster on planet Not-Very-Far-From-The-Studio. Kirk has a little trouble with this one but in real life, I’m pretty sure William Shatner could take down an alien monster, provided it moved as slowly as this one.

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Elizabeth
9 years ago

>Yep-I think that is why archery stopped being an Olympic sport-women were outperforming men and their delicate little egos were unable to handle the strain.

triplanetary
9 years ago

>Yep-I think that is why archery stopped being an Olympic sport-women were outperforming men and their delicate little egos were unable to handle the strain.If they'd listened to those legends about the Amazons they would have seen it coming.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>There's no reason that women and men can't compete directly in many sports—-except for one thing: dudes don't want to be beaten by women.(ginmar)I dont like getting beat by anyone. That's just my competitive spirit. As far as women competing with men I think that would be a great idea. But once you reach a certain level the playing field would definately not be equal, well, at least in the vast majority of sports, archery excluded of course.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

>I would imagine that SF soldiers generally have less to prove–when you walk the walk, you don't have to talk the talk so much.

ginmar
9 years ago

>The thing that was so notable at Basic was how many women had had these huge taboos beaten into them about doing guy stuff. Couldn't hit, couldn't stand proudly, couldn't do pushups, pullups, all that stuff. Most of the women and girls had never done so much as a single pushup in their lives. Why? It's a guy thing. Girls aren't supposed to do that. That's a life time of inhibition beaten into them. And I noticed that the short women had an advantage in pushups, too: it's easier for shorter women and men to do them well than it is for tall macho guys—-think about the position you're in when you're doing them. That's a lot of real estate to support on four points. If men are so strong and all that, how come women have to be trained from birth to weaken themselves and keep themselves weak? By the end of Basic, everybody was doing a minimum of good twenty pushups, bouncing off the ground and feeling strong.

ginmar
9 years ago

>So Tit for Tat knows that men are just naturally better than women, despite not reading anything or offering a cite. I already recommended two books. See, some of us bother to read shit instead of just going along with the status quo. Again, if men are so much stroner and faster wouldn't that tend to prove that women are not lying when they say that men have attacked them? Power corrupts and all that.

ginmar
9 years ago

>Notice how competition is set up to meet a male standard, with men as the model, that women have to meet. Let's see women set the standards and men meet them then, shall we?

ScareCrow
9 years ago

>@Cynickal.Actually, I do know about Aikindo, Kung Fu, Tai Chi.I watch these movies, I never see any women using any martial arts moves.It is called wire-fighting dumbo.

ginmar
9 years ago

>S/he wasn't talking about movies alone, dumb ass.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>Again, if men are so much stroner and faster wouldn't that tend to prove that women are not lying when they say that men have attacked them?(ginmar)Yes it would. I never said or implied that wasnt the case. Just because certain men believe that doesnt mean you should paint us all with the same brush. Now if you dont like some men lying about that then why not acknowledge the truth that on average women cant compete equally with men in the majority of sports. Why try to perpetuate a false premise. Oh here is one example, I could find more if you would like.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres#Top_ten_all-time_athletes.E2.80.94menhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres#Top_ten_all-time_athletes.E2.80.94womenNotice the times for the most elite of both sexes. Not quite equal, is it?

ginmar
9 years ago

>You're citing Wikipedia? Really? You do realize that women were not allowed to compete in the Boston Marathon till 1976, right? That's a lot of ground to make up for. Womens' sports programs had to contend with concerns about 'ladylike' outfits and behavior, which inhibits performance. Yet what are you worried? The threat to so-called male supremacy, which is gained only after centuries of corsets, foot-binding, high heels, pregnancies, and so forth. Let's see your ass run a four-minute mile if every single one of your ancestors had to contend with all that shit. And stop whining about painting men with the same brush, blah blah blah. When somebody talks about women being attacked and men being guilty, and your first response is to whine about men and make some accusation about women, you just revealed that you don't think attacks upon women bother you at all.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>ginmarThe more you talk, the more you sound like the MRA you so despise, wow.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>Boston Marathon – ResultsBoston, MA USAApril 19, 2010Finishers: 22540, Males – 13072 , Females – 9468 Male Winner: 2:05:52 | Female Winner: 2:26:11Close result, very competitiveI dont think either one ran it in heels though. 😉

SallyStrange
9 years ago

>Women are better equipped than men to handle scuba diving, space flights, and extra G-forces. Perhaps we should re-organize things so that the Navy, the Air Force, and NASA are predominantly female, while leaving the rest of it to the men. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1567569/Women-divers-outdo-men-study-claims.htmlhttp://www.redorbit.com/news/space/112399/why_women_are_better_astronauts_than_men/Though, to be fair, it does seem like a great deal of men's disadvantages underwater spring from socially learned behaviors rather than biology. Much like the differential in spatial reasoning between men and women, it could easily be corrected for with a little bit of education.

Lady Victoria von Syrus

>Even if men, on average, tend to be able to lift more weight or complete a marathon 20 minutes quicker than a woman… Who fucking cares? I don't know *any* person, male or female, who can shoot sticky webs out of their wrists, fire two weapons simultaneously while somersaulting through a return barrage of gunfire, fight with light sabers, is long lost royalty or once managed to beat the Nazis to a mythical artifact. If you want realism in film, stick to documentaries. Otherwise, complaining about superhero women being 'unrealistic' while you happily sat through the Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, Iron Man, Indiana Jones and Star Wars movies without once bitching about them being 'unrealistic' just makes you look like… wait for it… it's coming…. a misogynist

triplanetary
9 years ago

>Whatever physical differences exist on average between men and women aren't as important as people make them out to be anyway. Take a situation I've long been interested in: physical standards for joining the military. They have a different set of requirements for men and women. Predictably, this is one of the things MRAs moan about – in their view, the feminazis are grabbing the military by the balls and forcing them to lower their standards because otherwise those inferior wimminz would never be able to get in. Of course, if MRAs were right about women in general, you wouldn't have women even trying to join the military, but leave that aside. (con'td next post)

triplanetary
9 years ago

>I have a solution that would make everybody happy (well, everybody who's being intellectually honest about why they're unhappy): Keep the two sets of physical standards, but remove the gender differential. Now everybody is measured by *both* sets of standards. Those who break the first threshold but not the second are eligible for support roles (which is what most servicemen and -women are anyway). Those who break both thresholds are eligible for combat roles. Regardless of gender.Everyone's complaints are addressed: women are no longer held to a different standard. Women are now allowed in combat. And men can't complain that women are weakening combat units because the women in those combat units had to measure up to the same standards.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>Perhaps we should re-organize things so that the Navy, the Air Force, and NASA are predominantly female, while leaving the rest of it to the men.(Sally)Maybe. If there not equal in abilities then maybe they shouldnt have the job.

SallyStrange
9 years ago

>T4T, the overlap in ability between genders is so enormous that it renders the idea of sex-specific service ridiculous anyway. Like in basketball, if you did it just by height you'd certainly get a preponderance of men but there's also be a few giant ladies in the mix as well. With space flight, if you did it just by physical ability to handle the extra G's and the lack of gravity, there'd be a preponderance of women but it defies reason to think that such standards would end up excluding all men.

ginmar
9 years ago

>T4t: I notice that everybody who's so concerned about women and their lower standards never display any concern about older male soldiers in combat. They're sure as hell not passing the eighteen-year-old male physical standard, yet not one person who bellyaches about women ever mentions them. And the fact is, gender is no measure of fitness for combat. I've seen grown men break and young girls square their shoulders and tell the CO that they're volunteering to take the place of female soldiers killed that very morning.

SallyStrange
9 years ago

>What's up, Ginmar? I assume you're the same Ginmar who left Jezebel more than a year ago… I'm Valkyrie607. SallyStrange is my other 'nym. Well-met on the internet!

DarkSideCat
9 years ago

>Yeah, as a law student, I know societies settle all of their differences with foot races and arm wrestling competitions. I do not take four hour exams or civil procedure and do well, instead I loose in sprints. Might as well drop out…PS tools like levers, guns, and vehicles are for manginas.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>They're sure as hell not passing the eighteen-year-old male physical standard, yet not one person who bellyaches about women ever mentions them.(ginmar)Actually I bellyache about this all the time. Have a standard and stick to it. Dont dumb down for fat out of shape men or weaker men, and dont dumb it down for weaker women. Unfortunately that sometimes happens in certain industries. That is where the problems arise also.SallyIm not sure of an industry in the west where ALL women are excluded either. Do you?

SallyStrange
9 years ago

>Im not sure of an industry in the west where ALL women are excluded either. Do you? Hmm. Let's see, law, medecine, teaching (university level) research, accounting, business, politics… that is, up until 50-100 years ago. But that doesn't have anything to do with anything, really, just another case of you demonstrating how grindingly awful you are with reading comprehension skills and logical reasoning. Seriously, it's like nails on a chalkboard.

Elizabeth
9 years ago

>Well not since 1991 when the Supreme Court said quit it when barring women of child bearing age if men are not being excluded.

Amnesia
9 years ago

>Tit for Tat, you're not nearly as obnoxious as many other commenters on this site, but you do have a tendency to mansplain.Might want to get that checked.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>Hmm. Let's see, law, medecine, teaching (university level) research, accounting, business, politics… that is, up until 50-100 years ago.(Sally)Yep, pretty much my entire life. So I guess I can honestly say I know equality. ;)But far be it for me to stop you from mansplaining the obvious.

Elizabeth
9 years ago

>Manufacturing was and is a problem since businesses use the excuse of "fetal protection" to bar women from doing certain jobs despite letting men do the same jobs with the same risks to their reproduction parts.

ginmar
9 years ago

>Nothing is more amusing than when a guy whines about mansplaining, because of course we all need to hear his big manly opinion on discrimination and how women just aren't as good as men. That's not discrimination—he's never known inequality. Christ on a pony. Sally, yeah, that was me. Boy, that place has gone into the toilet. I saw a couple of women on a story about a pregnant eleven-year-old talking about 'How did nobody know? I'm three months and I'm huge!" "Oh, Congratulations, do you know what it is yet?" PLus more chatter about weight gain during pregnancy—in a topic where the subject was a girl who 12 and gave birth on a school trip, meaning she was just about certainly a rape victim.

SallyStrange
9 years ago

>Yep, pretty much my entire life. So I guess I can honestly say I know equality. ;)But far be it for me to stop you from mansplaining the obvious.So, if we decide to take away your right to vote, your right to own property, and your right to decide with whom to have sex and procreate, and your right to decide which kind of work you do (or rather, narrow it by about 90%, since as we are honest interlocutors, unlike MRA types, we will acknowledge that men's choices are also constrained under the current system) for 2 or 3 millennia, you'll call it even about a century after we've stopped writing your oppression into law? Cool. *takes mental notes*@ ginmar -excellent. Well, when you left I knew that place was lame. But it wasn't til the apocadesign hit until I could go cold turkey. Now I feel better, like less of a dirty crack fiend. I still go back once in a while to smack Kielworth-LA around. But when it comes to socializing I hang around Pharyngula – come check out the open thread there sometime.

Brett K
9 years ago

>I do get annoyed at action movies that feature an Angelina Jolie type killing people with her bare hands, largely because it reinforces the fact that women have to be pretty ALL THE TIME, and ignores the fact that most women – especially women with the physical strength needed to be that much of a badass – don't weigh 100lbs. It's better than no lady action heroes at all, but it would be nice to see a movie starring a woman who was a bit less supermodel and a bit more Sarah Connor. Hit Girl was awesome, though. There was never a doubt in my mind that she could kick my ass.

cboye
9 years ago

>Im not sure of an industry in the west where ALL women are excluded either. Reformed churches. But that's just my personal bugbear.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>you'll call it even about a century after we've stopped writing your oppression into law?(Sally)So here we have it. It is MY fault because I was born MALE. It seems to me that is the same thinking that let's Christian's think were all born of shit because of Adam and Eve. I will go out on a limb here and point out that odd's are you have never been denied the right to vote or denied access to education or prevented from buying property or fucking anyone you desire. Maybe your grandmother, or great grandmother. But YOU personally, highly unlikely if you grew up in the west. As far as being oppressed or abused goes, why dont we share some stories and see if were on equal footing in that regard.

Elizabeth
9 years ago

>Which of course means we should completely ignore that history. Despite the fact that the denial of those rights is starting to be bandied about in the current crop of Republican right wing nutters (that are being elected to Congress.) And in the case of health care, it is being actively destroyed.So how about you stop claiming that things are honky dory when they are not. And they are getting worse for women, not better.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>Well Elizabeth(good name by the way, my grandmothers and daughters middle name)Im Canadian, so maybe our concerns arent quite as bad as yours. I tend to be an optimist and as far as I can see things are really looking pretty good overall for my daughters future. Im pretty aware of history but I just dont quite see her getting sold into slavery anytime soon. In my city stats show women have more managerial jobs, girls are getting better educated and pro choice is still, well, pro choice. Now as far as my stepson and his future, there is a slight difference in the stats for him. Not that we tell him that, he is afterall a very capable young man with lots of promise.

Lady Victoria von Syrus

>Im not sure of an industry in the west where ALL women are excluded either.Most major religions do not offer ordination to women. So there's that.

triplanetary
9 years ago

>Im Canadian, so maybe our concerns arent quite as bad as yours.Canada is certainly saner than the US, but on the other hand, sexist creeps like you live there, so I suppose they still have some progress to make.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>tripYou are such a nice man. Perfect for showing my daughter what to stay away from. Rude and judgemental.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>Most major religions do not offer ordination to women. So there's that.(Lady vic)Lmao. And here I would have thought you would be tickled pink from being left out of the clubs that would have you worship a invisible male deity.

ginmar
9 years ago

>And if—-that's a big IF, assuming you had any to begin with because people are charitable—you had any credibility, there it went. Bravo.

Lady Victoria von Syrus

>@T4T:My personal beliefs are beside the point – and, for what it's worth, I've chosen a faith that not only allows women to receive ordination, but *requires* female clergy for the performance of several core rites. But if a woman wants to be Catholic, Mormon, conservative Jew or Muslim… she can't be that and be a leader in her faith. And those are just the major faiths that come to mind immediately – there are many smaller churches that do not allow women to become clergy or even teachers. Saying that women shouldn't be ordained because I personally don't like organized Judeo-Christian religion is like me saying that I don't want women to vote because they might vote Republican. They might, and many do. What a woman chooses is incidental to her being able to make that choice in the first place. Besides, that's not even the point of the discussion. Someone said that there wasn't a single field left in which women were systematically excluded, and I mentioned that women still can't become cardianals, imams and rabbis.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>Someone said that there wasn't a single field left in which women were systematically excluded(Lady Vic)Actually I questioned whether or not there was an area in the west. You showed me there is, thanks.ginmarYou werent talking about your charitable nature, were you? 😉

Lady Victoria von Syrus

>Also, in the US Military, women are still kept out of combat roles. They're still able to join the military, but until the rules change, they won't be able to become generals. And having accepted that *some* sectors of Western life still exclude women, are you able to accept that there is still other, more subtle discrimination going on?

ginmar
9 years ago

>Funnily enough, when I was in combat, the insurgents did not consult US Army Regs as to whether or not they could shoot at me. Dipshits back home, however, handily avoided the discrepancy by either calling me a liar or declaring that it wasn't really combat. There are a lot of decent people in the military—more decent than in civilian life. When you're chatting with Marines and they get it, nobody else has any excuse. And in fact women are being recognized for combat. This demonstrates the necessity of changing things from within.

triplanetary
9 years ago

>Dipshits back home, however, handily avoided the discrepancy by either calling me a liar or declaring that it wasn't really combat.That's some serious mansplaining. "Sorry, I have to erase your experience because it doesn't fit my preconceived notions. It doesn't matter that you were there, you're a woman so you wouldn't know about such things."Sigh.

Avicenna
9 years ago

>It's more of a case of people don't understand that support roles are not direct combat but often are fired at and are involved in combat situations by the nature of warfare. That and "baddies cannot tell what you are" and "baddies often like shooting at the people wearing the fancy hats with the big red crosses on it". I would put it down to the idea that people have that warfare is conducted with solid lines of contact (AKA soldiers and tanks, artillery, support). It's a very pervasive notion in a lot of people.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>And having accepted that *some* sectors of Western life still exclude women, are you able to accept that there is still other, more subtle discrimination going on?(Lady Vic)Of course, that is pretty obvious. But it goes both ways. I work in an industry where there is gender bias also, though it goes the other way. It is very subtle, but after 20yrs of dealing with it I am not surprised.

ginmar
9 years ago

>"But it goes both ways." Oh, bullshit. If a woman gets her arm amputated, some whining asshole is going to whine he got a boo boo on his finer, and no woman would put a bandaid on it for him. And that's even if he has anything wrong wiht him at all.

Tit for Tat
9 years ago

>ginmarYou really are an angry person. You should get a massage, it may help you relax.

ginmar
9 years ago

>And we have a tone argument. YOu know, the anti-feminist bingo card, Tat, is not a how to. So you're a troll.