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| Grace Jones will kick your bumper sticker’s ass. |
The good fellows on MGTOWforums.com want to change all that. Recently a batch of them began brainstorming about possible slogans for MGTOW bumper stickers. Womanhater started the discussion off with a doozy, managing to be both belligerent AND baffling to anyone who hasn’t already taken a sip of the MGTOW Kool-Aid:
Chivalry is Treason!
A promising start. Not all the suggestions that followed quite lived up to this standard. Quite a few were earnest and plodding, not very slogan-y:
When Was the Last Time You Treated a Man Fairly?Single moms should stay single.Some men live happy fulfilling lives, the rest get married.Women and happiness don’t go together.
Still, some of the more earnest attempts managed to be attention-grabbing nonetheless:
I don’t believe any accusation of rape
Many others simply rehashed basic MGTOW themes:
We Are Men, Not WalletsMarriage is for moronsAlimony is Slavery
But a number of the suggestions contained the spark of creative loopiness that keeps me coming back to the MGTOW forums again and again. Take, for example, the surprisingly large number that managed to work vaginas into the equation, generally in a highly off-putting manner:
Give women the finger and not in a good wayExcuse me, is that fish I smell?Two holes don’t make a right
This last one, while not without its charms, is a little puzzling. If you do the math correctly, women have seven holes, and men have six (or seven, if you include one very small hole). Up to three of these lady-holes (and up to two for men) may come into play in the course of routine sexual activity. (More advanced fetishists may use more holes, as this somewhat NSFW video illustrates; don’t worry, it’s not a link to a video of someone putting something in a man’s seventh hole, because, OW!) I’m not entirely sure which two holes our sloganeer is fingering as the villains here.
Quite a few of the suggestions seemed almost designed to baffle everyone outside the confines of MGTOWforums.com (and even some within it):
Don’t blame me for 1920Hammurabi was correct about womenListen to Cato the Elder
For those playing along at home, 1920 was of course the year in which matinee idol Douglas Fairbanks married actress Mary Pickford, known as “America’s Sweetheart,” even though she was Canadian; it was also the year in which construction began on the Holland Tunnel between New York and New Jersey, thus setting the stage for the horror later known as the “bridge and tunnel crowd.” But I’m guessing the event our sloganeer is really concerned about is the passage of the 19th Amendment, giving American women the vote, though, unless our sloganeer is quite elderly indeed, I’m not quite sure why anyone would be blaming (or crediting) him for the Amendment’s passage.
As for the other two, well, the Code of Hammurabi, the first king of the Babylonian Empire in the 18th century BC, “mark[ed] the beginning of the institutionalization of the patriarchal family as an aspect of state power,” as historian Gerda Lerner notes. Hammy (as I like to call him) also invented the idea of “an eye for an eye.” And Cato the Elder? He said some nasty shit about women.You can look it up yourself. I’m lazy.
Other slogans weren’t so much obscure as just plain odd:
If the FDA screened pussy, you’d need a prescription to get it.I’d rather have guns than gals.A cow in the bed…but a freak in the courtroom!
And then there was this little riddle:
Q)Why don’t women respect men?
A)Becoz a Mousetrap laughs at the Mouse
Uh, what?
Of all the proposed slogans, only one actually showed any real wit, this punny little contribution from Apeiron:
Better dead than wed.
Indeed, this one was so good I suspected it had to have been used somewhere before. And indeed it has been. A quick Google search showed that the UK anarchist group Class War used the phrase back in the 1980s on a poster protesting the marriage of Prince Andrew and Sarah “Fergie” Ferguson. Of course, that temporarily happy couple ended up separating after only six years, and divorced a few years after that.
Maybe slogans can change the world.
Scary thought.
Despite that risk, I would like to encourage the MGTOWers to make up some stickers of their own. Maybe some t-shirts, coffee mugs, and baseball caps as well. Heck, put these slogans on everything you own. Seriously, anything that makes it easier to identify you, preferably at a distance, is more than welcome.
>Feminists are liars and the men who take up for them are obviously just trying to impress them.If that were my sole motivation, it wouldn't be worth the effort, given that a majority of women are not feminists.
>Wow. One of them actually has the handle Womanhater …………:still stunned:
>Tit for TatThe issue is women have started realising that the increase in the size of the middle class means that there is more to life than "lifting heavy weights". Women are losing rights, quite regularly. The pro-life movement forces women to bear children who they don't want or cannot care for or are just plain cruel to the ensuing child. Women are routinely abused throughout the world. And despite your statements on your blog about spousal abuse. The majority of abuse is aimed at women. One in Three women worldwide are physically abused or raped at some point in their life. Men are not. The abuse is completely one sided. So knock it the hell off. If you really believe men are superior to women then "take it like a man".
>"If that were my sole motivation, it wouldn't be worth the effort, given that a majority of women are not feminists."That's cuz you don't stand a chance with the majority of women.
>That's cuz you don't stand a chance with the majority of women.Has it occurred to you that I don't view dating as some kind of ritualized mating dance designed to attract any woman I can? There's a limited range of women I'm interested in. MRAs sometimes moan about how man can't afford to have high standards or some shit like that. It's not true. I have high standards. And the small percentage of women who interest me tend to appreciate the interest.In short, I get laid.
>One in Three women worldwide are physically abused or raped at some point in their life(Avi)Youre right on this stat. For men its one in six. Were you one of the three? I will tell you this, I was one of the six.
>Start applying the same standard across the board — then perhaps I'll listen.(Amused)I have, on some of the MRA sites. You see, I am not entrenched in either side. I actually think both sides have some words of wisdom and some nut cases. The video was tongue in cheek, my wife and I were both laughing when we heard it. Sorry for the cheap attempt at humour. ;)If it makes you feel better, I laughed at the woman kicking the man in the balls on the Big Bang Theory on Thursday. Even my daughter thought it was really funny, though when I pointed out that not many would be laughing if it was a woman being kicked by a man in the crotch, her laugh was a little more subdued.
>You see, I am not entrenched in either side.So what? This isn't a tribal turf war. This is a battle against bigotry, and you display the same bigotry as any given MRA. I don't care if you call yourself one or not.If it makes you feel better, I laughed at the woman kicking the man in the balls on the Big Bang Theory on Thursday.…Why would it make anyone feel better? Feminists aren't a bunch of man-haters who want to go around kicking men in the nuts. Certain men, perhaps.Even my daughter thought it was really funny, though when I pointed out that not many would be laughing if it was a woman being kicked by a man in the crotch, her laugh was a little more subdued.Oh dear, men are so oppressed.
>Youre right on this stat. For men its one in six. Were you one of the three? I will tell you this, I was one of the six.I realize that you were not specifically addressing me, but I'll respond. Yes, I was one of the three, and I was both physically abused and raped (not by the same person), so does that give bonus points?MRAs want men to be recognized as both the majority of DV victims, at the hands of female perpetrators, AND the undisputed superiors of women who should remain forever subjugated to men, serving and servicing them, due to men's unique ability to protect women.Hey, I'm all for men drawing attention to the need for DV shelters, etc., to protect men, creating said shelters, lobbying for funding for said shelters, etc. But don't be waving the "But men are the real but invisible victims of DV" flag in one hand and the "Men are superior to you women cuz we're stronger than you" flag in the other hand.
>Oh dear, men are so oppressed.(Trip or should I say Stephen)Some are. Oppression isnt about gender. MRAs want men to be recognized as both the majority of DV victims,(Pam)I would agree that the extremist's try to make this point. Not all MRA's are extremist's. I have read some stuff from some pretty level headed men. They make some very points. Unfortunately they sometimes get drowned out by the nasty, noisy ones.
>Oops, I meant…"good points"
>Feminists aren't a bunch of man-haters who want to go around kicking men in the nuts. Certain men, perhaps(Trip)Ah, I missed this the first time. I guess I didnt feel threatened by your subtle threat. 😉
>tit for tat, I am one of those three. I was physically abused at the hands of my mother's second husband, emotionally abused by her third, and sexually abused by her fourth. The physical abuse then continued at the hands of the guy who my mother arranged my marriage to. I broke it off with him when he beat me so badly with a baseball bat that I was in the hospital for two months. After I got out of the hospital I endured four years of my mother emotionally abusing me and telling me I was too fat (at a whole whopping 110 lbs), telling me that I was going to end up an old maid angry and alone, that everything I did was not good enough because I didn't have a man by my side, and that she wanted nothing more than to kill me. I'm sorry that someone abused you. I really really am. Just don't assume that none of us know what it feels like to go through that because there are quite a few of us who do
>Tit for Tat: "If it makes you feel better, I laughed at the woman kicking the man in the balls on the Big Bang Theory on Thursday."Very little could show a greater misunderstanding of feminism than the above statement. You know who finds genital violence hilarious? Todd Phillips, Judd Apatow, and the millions of (generally non-feminist) people who see their dudebro movies. Feminists are people who have actually thought about this shit, and most of us–the ones I generally run into on the internet, anyway–find genital violence about as funny as rape jokes. (And please, no humorless-feminist comments. Just because shit ain't funny doesn't mean I don't get it.) Presumably you've been checking out the online feminist world. It's amazing that you've come away with the idea that feminists would appreciate the fact that you laugh at depictions of violence being perpetrated on men.
>Oh, and to make a comment that's actually on topic. Re. MRA slogans: What's wrong with We Hunted the Mammoth to Feed You?Reclaim the mammoth!
>It's amazing that you've come away with the idea that feminists would appreciate the fact that you laugh at depictions of violence being perpetrated on men.(Bee)Not all feminists are created equal. Just like not all MRA's are. Some still laugh at that stuff. I just find it interesting that you classify all MRA's the same. Hmmm, makes you wonder why the MRA's classify all feminists the same.
>I was physically abused at the hands of my mother's second husband, emotionally abused by her third, and sexually abused by her fourth. The physical abuse then continued at the hands of the guy who my mother arranged my marriage to.(Briget)I am sorry for your pain and suffering also. I think all those men should be held accountable. I wonder though, have you forgiven your mother for continually putting you in those situations?
>not that it really matters to anything we are talking about but my mom and I are trying to work things out because I want to make sure that what happened to me doesn't happen to my brother and sister who are ten and thirteen years younger than I am. My mom is in therapy to deal with her problems. I do not go to her house, but I do call and we can occasionally have an argument free conversation like normal people. Have I forgiven her for what she sat by and allowed to happen, I ask in return how am I supposed to forgive something which forgiveness has not been sought for? She won't accept that emotional abuse is real, and she refuses to come to terms with the fact that her husband raped me. I can't forgive her for things that she won't accept happened.
>Tit for Tat: I just find it interesting that you classify all MRA's the same.What makes you think I do?
>BrigetActually I believe that when we look at all aspects of abuse and causes we will truly get to the heart of the matter. Without a doubt(I believe) men are more physically violent. One thing I think we have to ask ourselves is, how did they get that way, and who is accountable for this. Until we look at the responsibility of both genders in this we will continue ignore the fact that it takes 2 to dance the dance.
>BeeDid I misinterpret this?Oh, and to make a comment that's actually on topic. Re. MRA slogans: What's wrong with We Hunted the Mammoth to Feed You?Reclaim the mammoth!(Bee)
>Tit for Tat: Did I misinterpret this?Apparently you did.
>BeeOk, well, it wouldnt be the first time. 🙂
>People still BUY dogs?
>"Without a doubt(I believe) men are more physically violent. One thing I think we have to ask ourselves is, how did they get that way, and who is accountable for this." Accepting your premise, that men are more physically (does sexually lump in there) violent, then men are most responsible for physical and sexual violence. Don't victim blame. It does not take "two to dance" and how dare you say that in a discussion where the previous posts were about rape and abuse of a child. Abuse is the fault of the abuser, period. No one, but especially no child, deserves abuse. Go fuck yourself, tit for tat.