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>Comment of the Day: Child support is worse than rape

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Er, not so much.
Sometimes this job is just too easy. Sometimes I don’t have to even bother to check in on my favorite manosphere sites to find hair-raisingly awful quotes to feature here. Sometimes the Boobz are thoughtful enough to leave them in the comments here. 
Take this quote from resident MGTOWer Cold, who currently seems to be spending more time on this blog than I am, comparing rape and child support. (You don’t think these two items are actually in any way comparable? Clearly you do not understand Boob Logic.) 
In response to commenter Amused, who pointed out that “being ordered to support a child you’ve fathered isn’t the same as being pinned down and penetrated against your will,” Cold responded:
Exactly, it’s much, much worse. The latter lasts for some number of minutes, the former for at least 18 years. Given the choice it would be a no-brainer for me, and I think a very large number of men agree with me on this.
Setting aside the appalling trivialization of rape as something that’s over in “some number of minutes,” what does this say about Cold’s attitudes towards children? Paying a couple of hundred buck a month to pay for some of the expenses for a child you fathered – your own flesh and blood – is worse than being raped?
If Cold ever becomes a father, through circumstances which are frankly too horrible to imagine, I feel safe in saying that he will not be winning any “father of the year” awards. 
I can just imagine the following scenario, some 11 or so years into the future: 
EXTERIOR, MOVIE THEATER

Cold’s 10-year-old son: Happy Father’s day, daddy! I’m so glad we’re going to see Toy Story 5! I love Woody!

Cold: Yeah, so does your whore mom, if you know what I mean.

Son: Huh? 

Cold: When you get older, you’ll understand. Did I mention that you mom’s a whore?  One, please!

Son: Um, daddy, why did you buy only one ticket? 

Cold: It’s for me. Get your own. You get enough of my money as it is. I stick my dick in your mom for two fucking minutes, and I’m screwed for life. It’s worse than rape! 

Son:  Um, daddy, I don’t have any money. I’m ten. 

Cold: Well, you should have thought of that when you were a sperm! 

Son:  When I was a what? 

Cold: I’m going in. See you in two hours. 

Son: Dad? What am I supposed to do now?

Cold: Not my problem!  I’m Going Galt! I’m Going My Own Way! You were a MISTAKE!

Son quietly sobs 

Cold: Hey, when we get back to your mom’s place later, remind me to tell her she’s a filthy whore. 
And … scene!
(By the way, Cold actually does claim to be going Galt, if self-admitted tax evasion counts.)
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David Futrelle
9 years ago

>Cold, I should apologize. You've never referred to women as whores. Oh, wait:http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=35279&view=findpost&p=563827And if you've spent no more than 15 minutes a day here over the last couple of days you are the fastest reader and/or typist in the world.

Cold
9 years ago

>That's right: he said that paying a couple hundred a month is worse than a crime that makes some women have flashbacks and intimacy issues and nightmares and sobbing YEARS later. Rape is the ultimate dehumanization, and the lack of empathy it takes to not get that shows that he is a lout, loser and scum of the earth– no mocking required.Actually I was sexually abused as a child and raped as an adult, and I will state unequivocally that if forced to choose between being forcibly sodomized once or put on the hook for child support for 18 years, I will choose the sodomy. Calling me a "lout, loser, and scum of the earth" for that premise demonstrates a profound lack of empathy on your part.The child support amount isn't the same for everyone; if it's only $200 a month then that's because the man in question makes a very low income. It's indexed in such a way that whatever the amount is it represents a substantial amount of the man's work hours, and in that sense is like part-time slavery. Even worse is that, as NWOslave pointed out, men get sent to jail if they are unable to pay due to circumstances beyond their control. While in jail, they may be raped many times while the prison guards turn their backs and have a good laugh about it. They may also be sexually exploited by the prison guards themselves.

Cold
9 years ago

>Oh I did spend more than 15 minutes here on Sunday, but that wasn't a normal day. I was stuck in a very boring situation for hours with only my cell phone and netbook for entertainment.Yeah, I referred to women who engage in transactional sex as whores. Does the mother in this hypothetical future scenario sell herself by the hour?

ginmar
9 years ago

>I love it—meaning it just proves everything about MRAs—how they prove the point of the post to be true when they compare writing a check to getting violated, and also are in favor of forcing women to bear an unwanted child in their body for nine months—which they declare is no big deal, 'she doesn't have to do anything extra.' Yeah, asshole, let's see how you feel after somebody shoves a watermelon up your dick all the way till it's in your abdonmen, then wait nine months to get rid of it. And that's assuming that the asshole even pays any child support whatsoever. Huh. Still no cites, I see.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

>From the Nolo Press website:No state now requires that a child be awarded to the mother without regard to the fitness of both parents. Most states require their courts to determine custody on the basis of what's in the children's best interests, without regard to the parent's gender.http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/child-custody-faq-29054-3.html

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

>Calling me a "lout, loser, and scum of the earth" for that premise demonstrates a profound lack of empathy on your part.To be fair, Cold, it wasn't Dave who called you that. It was NWOSlave who asserted that Dave "literally" called you those names when, in fact, Dave did not–at least not in this post.

Cold
9 years ago

>Oh I also like how he misses that you cannot choose to be raped over paying support. If you choose it is no longer rape.Is that so? So what you're saying is that if you were held at knifepoint and forced to choose between vaginal or anal penetration, neither one would be rape because you chose it? That's pretty sick.What he's saying is he would prostitute himself to get out of paying support.That's not what I'm saying, however men who are forced to pay child support are actually in a situation of reverse prostitution. If they lose their jobs and the court refuses to recognize that fact and makes them continue paying, they have to find some way to come up with that money to avoid being sent to jail and possibly raped, so they are basically in a situation of paying not to be raped.And frankly, most people's prostitution price is probably lower than the sum total of 18 years of child support.Hence why the choice would be a no-brainer.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

>NWO:Under current no fault divorce a woman who commits adultery is able to divorce her husband and retain child custody. Is this fair?Considering that whether one commits adultery has absolutely nothing to do with parenting ability, I'd say the answer must be yes. Under current divorce law a woman gets default child custody, as can be seen by the fact that a man has to "fight" for equal custody. He will lose 83% of the time. Is this fair?Citation? In California, joint legal custody is presumed unless a court orders otherwise. I deal with many parents in the course of my work who are separated, divorced, or never married. In the absence of a custody order, joint legal custody is the default. By your comments, may I assume that you are against no-fault divorce? What alternative system would you suggest?

ginmar
9 years ago

>Duh. He wants women drawn, quartered, and hung—-after they deliver his children. Who's going to raise them, I don't know, because Cold despises women so much and has about as much compassion as a snake, so he certainly couldn't do it.

evilwhitemalempire
9 years ago

>David with this post "YOU have hit a new low in offensive stupidity".

MertvayaRuka
9 years ago

>"It is connected to a womans body much like an IV bag is connected to a person during an operation. No one would ever say that bag of solution is, “part” of their body, it is simply connected to them, and it is separate."No, you festering cock pustule of an idiot, it is NOT like an IV bag. IV bags don't draw sustenance from the person they're attached to. Also, if the IV bag is jeopardizing the health of the person hooked up to them, usually someone REMOVES IT.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

>"Festering Cock Pustule" would be a good name for a punk band.

Cold
9 years ago

>I tell you what, this gentleman has colored my perception of all Phoenix Wright cosplayers.Objection!

Lady Victoria von Syrus

>A woman has the right to decide what happens to her body. If she wants to get a tattoo, she can get a tattoo. If she wants to dye her hair or shave her head or cut her foot off in tribal ritual, she can do all these things. If she wants to dance with that guy, kiss the other guy, fuck the guy in the corner and avoid the guy on the sidewalk, she has the right to do all these things. If an egg of hers fertilizes, she has the right to decide what happens to it – she could decide to let it mature into a baby, or decide that she doesn't want a pregnancy and terminate. In all these cases, it is her body and her own choice. Why do some people have such a hard time comprehending this?

MertvayaRuka
9 years ago

>Lady Victoria, the real boggler is "why is it that the same people who want to use the coercive power of the State to force women to carry pregnancies to term are almost always the same people who rail endlessly about the evils of powerful government?".

Sandy
9 years ago

>"Is that so? So what you're saying is that if you were held at knifepoint and forced to choose between vaginal or anal penetration, neither one would be rape because you chose it? That's pretty sick."No, that is sex under threat so severe it removes your choice, which is rape. In that case you don't have a real choice. Choosing to have sex with someone in exchange for forgiveness of a debt is just prostitution.

briget
9 years ago

>NWO slave,actually most women do realize something is off before they miss their period. It's not normal to be nauseous 24/7 for weeks. It's also not normal to be so tired getting out of bed is difficult. Fatigue and morning sickness usually start very soon after an embryo implants into the uterine wall. The reason most women don't actually know 100% for sure and because they aren't sure don't share that information with very many people is because they can't take the pregnancy tests until a week or so before their missed period and even then the tests aren't always accurate.

Sandy
9 years ago

>And seriously cold, you can either see that distinction and are being deliberately obstinate or you are very stupid.

DarkSideCat
9 years ago

>NWO, May I suggest that you read Jarvis-Thomson's paper (linked provided above)? It specifically addresses the issue in depth. A link to an actual philosophy of ethics paper on the issue of "if a fetus is a person, is abortion permissible" has already been helpfully provided by me earlier on this thread.@Captain Bathrobe, yeah, I think it is clear by this point that MRAs do not understand the legal system at all. On the numbers-it is actually hard to get statistical data on disputed custody cases. Most child custody cases are not disputed, so numbers of actual custody are not a good guide to see how such cases result in disputes. What information we have suggests that, overall, joint custody is most prevelantly granted and when sole custody is granted, men and women win at approximately equal rates (in most districts, some lawyers report favorship one way or the other in some districts).@ Yandie, one issue in the US is that it is rarely the mother compelling such support in cases where the father is actually poor. US welfare policy often forces women to file for it or to lose/not be permitted to get welfare benefits. Reducing welfare payments was one of the purposes of implimenting the Bradley Amendment. Though it is worth noting that the Bradley Amendment does contain exeptions for physical imposibility to support or change in circumstances, it just makes notification of the court of such circumstances the duty of the party, rather than the state. It means the party has to pro-actively assert such a defense when the situation occurs, not that there is no defense whatsoever. @Drewski, some non-custodial parents who do not pay have legitimate reasons. Others are lazy, drug addicted, have the means but just do not want to pay, work under the table, leave the state and work (trying to enforce orders across states is difficult). That applies to both men and women. I have seen both myself.@NWO, your estimated six month debt numbers are higher than what the census reports as an average yearly payment, by over a thousand dollars. Census says that average child support owed was 4,320 a year and average paid was 2,820, at least for the US (http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-225.pdf).

NWOslave
9 years ago

>@Dave…I assume you can read, I said quite clearly equal custody/no child support.Did you say "force" a woman to abort? Oh I'm so sorry is that person "unwanted?" Well make it go away Big Daddy Guv and clear my concience while you're at it.Any arguement in favor of abortion is ludicrous, like @SallyStrange…"After all, this separate human being which has its own rights is perfectly free to pursue its interests…just somewhere outside of my body." So Sally can a child survive on it's own after birth? Yes thats it just walk away afterwards, that little bastard is on it's own.Or how about…@Johnny, again…"NWO, it's interesting that you think the state of matter cannot change in the way it's perceived, treated, etc., based on its circumstances and relation to other things." The only "state" it changes from is living to dead. That is the only two states a person can be.There is no arguement that can change the fact that the result/product of a successful abortion is a dead person. Isn't strange how every few years feminists want to move the "definition" of when life begins. So when does a "new" life begin? 20 weeks? 24 weeks? 30 weeks? 36 weeks? How about a week before delivery? Or would that upset your sensibilities?

NWOslave
9 years ago

>Oh yes, before anyone says it, I always advocate that a man must also own up to his responsibilities, by having equal custody. It's called accountability.

NWOslave
9 years ago

>@Captain Bathrobe…You quote california legislation? You must be kidding. Tell me, if this so called legislation grants "default" equal custody, why, when the question of custody is arrises does the child "always" reside with the mother (by default) during the case? Doesn't the father therefore have to "fight" for equal custody? And then spend countless dollars only to lose.

NWOslave
9 years ago

>@DarkSideCat…Oh, theres a paper discussing "when" a fetus is considered a new and seperate life. Well had I known there was a "paper" to set me straight I would've just accepted this brilliant finding without question.Luckily you weren't aborted otherwise you wouldn't have been able to illuminate me with this beautiful wisdom of the ages.

NWOslave
9 years ago

>@SallyStrange…I had to quote this…"Seriously though, yes. The only thing which transforms a blastula or a fetus into an "unborn baby" is the eager anticipation of a willing mother. She has the power to create it or kill it. If she doesn't want it then it's just a fetus. If she does then it's a baby. It is rather god-like isn't it? Hence all the womb envy." "eager anticipation" If thats the case just "will" the fetus dead. I mean with out your concious approval won't it just dissapear?A god-like quality? A biological function has now turned into god-like has it? Tell me when someone murders a non-aborted person is this also a god-like quality? Shall we change the title of mother to God?

Ozymandias
9 years ago

>NWO, I'm really sorry, but I'm going to have to all-caps here.IT'S NOT ABOUT WHEN IT'S A NEW LIFE.NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT.JARVIS-THOMPSON'S PREMISE IS THAT FETUSES ARE ALIVE.PEOPLE STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTROL THEIR OWN FUCKING BODIES EVEN IF THERE IS A LIFE INSIDE IT, BECAUSE YOUR BODILY AUTONOMY IS INVIOLABLE EVEN TO SAVE A LIFE.

DarkSideCat
9 years ago

>@NWO, you clearly did not read the paper, because that is not what I claimed it does or what it does. It grants, for the sake of argument, the notion that the fetus is a person and looks at the logical repercussions of such a position in regards to abortion.Also, this argument "if you had been aborted…" is a ridiculously bad one. My parents met at a navy party. But for navy parties, I would not exist, therefore, by your logic, I should always support and do my best to throw navy parties. Also, I should make women miscarry their first pregnancy, because, but for my mother's miscarriage, I would likely not have been born. But for the brutal oppression of the northern Irish by the British and the Scotts, my father would not have been born (his father was an immigrant), therefore, I should support that oppression, right? This game is fun, isn't it?I also want to point out that "life" is not the correct moral standard for this discussion, but rather "personhood". Tumors are alive, the thousands of bacteria you kill when you swallow are alive, urine contains living human cells, plants are alive, ants are alive, roaches are alive… We do not care morally for all life. We care morally about persons.

Christine WE
9 years ago

>This brings to mind a post I read recently on that whackadoodle Paul Elam's site titled Rape is not Special and Neither are You where the writer states… "If you're the victim of a rape in the real world, you'll get over it." "Being raped doesn't make you a special person, and in fact, unpleasant, as unwanted sex is, it’s not actually that big a deal. Even if the rape is a particularly brutal and violent event – if the victim of a rape isn't physically crippled in the event, they'll recover…"It's not surprising to hear a statement like this from an MRA. We already know they have no empathy for others, especially women.

ginmar
9 years ago

>NWO thinks a fetus is more human than the woman it feeds off of. Boy, doesn't that say everything?

SallyStrange
9 years ago

>@SallyStrange…I had to quote this…"Seriously though, yes. The only thing which transforms a blastula or a fetus into an "unborn baby" is the eager anticipation of a willing mother. She has the power to create it or kill it. If she doesn't want it then it's just a fetus. If she does then it's a baby. It is rather god-like isn't it? Hence all the womb envy.""eager anticipation" If thats the case just "will" the fetus dead. I mean with out your concious approval won't it just dissapear?A god-like quality? A biological function has now turned into god-like has it? Tell me when someone murders a non-aborted person is this also a god-like quality? Shall we change the title of mother to God?Geez NWO, I didn’t think you were especially stupid. Is this really so hard to understand? Basically I am agreeing with you, that yes, it is the whim of the pregnant woman that determines a fetus’ status as “baby”, that is, a human being with personhood status that deserves to be protected. Why? For the simple reason that only she is capable of protecting the fetus until it becomes an actual born person. A pregnant woman has the power of life or death. She creates the fetus and she can destroy it. That is rather god-like, don’t you think? Well, maybe you don’t, I don’t know. To me it seems that way. I mean, technically speaking, there’s no such thing as an “unborn baby.” Scientifically, it’s a fetus right up until the cord is cut. What determines whether a fetus gets defined as a baby? The willingness of the pregnant woman to gestate and birth that baby. If she doesn’t want it, AND she has access to legal abortion, then it never gets to be a baby. Creation or destruction? It’s up to the pregnant woman and no one else, unless you are willing to live in an autocratic state in which the government assumes that god-like power of creation. And then there’s this…Any arguement in favor of abortion is ludicrous, like @SallyStrange…"After all, this separate human being which has its own rights is perfectly free to pursue its interests…just somewhere outside of my body." So Sally can a child survive on it's own after birth? Yes thats it just walk away afterwards, that little bastard is on it's own.Well, assuming that I didn’t want the baby in the first place, and only went through the agony of giving birth because I didn’t have the option of terminating my pregnancy early on, then yes: I might just walk away from the kid. Why is that so surprising? Now it’s on you, collective you, the people who told me I wasn’t qualified to determine whether to have an abortion or not, to take care of the kid. I hope you’re down with raising taxes. Contrast that with a fetus, at least in the first two trimesters, which CANNOT be cared for by anyone but the pregnant woman. No matter how much you might wish to take that fetus away from that fickle, flighty female and gestate it yourself, it is a physical impossibility. Unless you have some secret patent-pending plans for a working artificial womb? I’d love to hear about that. So would the Nobel Committee.

SallyStrange
9 years ago

>Cold:Actually I was sexually abused as a child and raped as an adult, and I will state unequivocally that if forced to choose between being forcibly sodomized once or put on the hook for child support for 18 years, I will choose the sodomy. Calling me a "lout, loser, and scum of the earth" for that premise demonstrates a profound lack of empathy on your part.Nah, I think I'll just call you a damn dirty liar. "Hey kid version of Cold, I'm a time traveling rapist here to fulfill a bargain made by your future self. I'm going to forcibly sodomize you, but trust me, you'll thank me for this later when you don't have to cough up some money every month to support some kid who is just as innocent as you are now–or at least, as innocent as you were a few minutes ago." Cold is either somewhere on the clinical psychopathy scale, or just lying his ass off.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

>@Captain Bathrobe…You quote california legislation? You must be kidding. Tell me, if this so called legislation grants "default" equal custody, why, when the question of custody is arrises does the child "always" reside with the mother (by default) during the case? Doesn't the father therefore have to "fight" for equal custody? And then spend countless dollars only to lose. In the absence of a court order to the contrary, legal custody is presumed to be joint. I didn't speak to the issue of when custody is disputed, but that fact that joint custody is the default in CA in the absence of a court order is pretty much common knowledge among those of us who work in social services. Also, you're confusing legal custody (the right to make decisions for children regarding health care, education, etc.) with physical custody (the right to have the child reside with you). They are two different issues.

Orion
9 years ago

>Sally,My last comment got eaten, so I'm writing the short version. 1: Mentally ill people don't like being raped any more than neurotypicals, but it happens to them a lot more. You might want to rethink your "psychopathy" remark. 2: Rape victims have the right to interpret their experience for themselves, including deciding how big of a deal it was. Someone who feels traumatized of course has the right to their feelings, but some rape victims report the expectations to *appear* traumatized as one of the worse parts of the experience. Criticize Cold for making an insensitive comparison to advance an ugly agenda, but don't call him a liar.

Amused
9 years ago

>Orion: Although I agree with almost everything you've said — including your comment about the pressure that rape victims experience to appear traumatized — I have to say that I took Sally's comment to mean that Cold was being disingenuous. Disingenuousness isn't the same as lying but it's pretty damned close.The subject of rape is problematic for many reasons, one of which, encapsulated by this discussion, is that for a misogynist, this subject engenders two contradictory pressures. On the one hand, there is the constant attempt to trivialize rape, because in the eyes of a misogynist, women shouldn't have autonomy over their own bodies anyway, while women's desires and feelings do not matter. On the other hand, rape has to remain a horrific experience because if you trivialize it TOO much, it stops being perceived as a serious threat by women, and its effectiveness in circumscribing women's behavior, controlling women's sexuality and punishing women's social transgressions evaporates; hence comparing everything to rape and the social expectation that rape victims fulfill the role of damaged goods.Cold follows that paradigm, of course, at once trivializing rape and exaggerating the burden of supporting one's own children. It is noteworthy, however, that it's easy to say "I'd rather be raped" if one is part of a group that's at a low risk for rape outside of prison and one that isn't customarily subjected to rape as a way to stigmatize and "destroy". It's an inflammatory figure of speech, more than anything else.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

>Mentally ill people don't like being raped any more than neurotypicals, but it happens to them a lot more. You might want to rethink your "psychopathy" remark.Do you mean "psychopathy" (sociopathy, Anti Social Personality Disorder) or psychosis (schizophrenia, etc.)? Because those are two different things. I would imagine that that latter are more likely to be assaulted than the former, though I could be wrong.

Amnesia
9 years ago

>Hey, you know what else only lasts a few minutes? Water boarding.But, really, water boarding can't be that bad. It's not really hurting anyone, it's just making the victim feel like they're drowning! I mean, what's a little water? Seriously, anybody traumatized by it is just a wimpy wimp and a liar. Didn't they ever play the dunking game as a child? /sarcasmIf I went around making those arguments, it'd be fair to assume I didn't know the first thing about water boarding.

thevagrantsvoice
9 years ago

>Look, I'm definitely not Cold's biggest fan, but in this case I have to ask, is it really ethical to be dismissing his claims of previous rape/sexual abuse like this? I'm not an expert on rape, and one thing I'm not sure of is how it can affect a person's mind and outlook, especially for a guy. It's possible his "trivialization" of rape is his way of dealing with it, or 'owning' it, or…I dunno. I'm just saying we should refute what he's saying, not his personal experiences. Lay all the scorn on him you want for saying something that's just plain wrong, but you're essentially accusing him of "falsely crying rape." If that's such a bad thing for so many women who've been raped, I imagine it's not much better for a man. I think it's more ethical to stand up for somebody who's in that position, even if that somebody is Cold, or any other MRA like him, for that matter.

Orion
9 years ago

>Captain,I too wondered if Sally meant "psychosis" rather than "psychopathy." It's true that psychopathy poses a different set of problems than other mental illnesses, since psychopaths often commit crimes, while schizophrenics or depressives are more likely to be victims. That said, a fair number of psychopaths do end up in prison or involuntarily hospitalized, both of which can be dangerous situations. But regardless of how much violence is actually directed at psychopaths, I'm still troubled by the comment's dehumanization. For psychopaths in the classic "serial killer" mold, I can't bring myself to care overmuch, but people are beginning to talk about a sociopathy spectrum, where psychopathic traits are part of the explanation for the behaviors of some reasonably decent people.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

>Orion: OK, fair enough.

Cold
9 years ago

>If I went around making those arguments, it'd be fair to assume I didn't know the first thing about water boarding.It's very telling from the arguments I have heard that none of you know the first thing about being put on the hook for child support for a child that you never, ever wanted and which might not even actually be yours. Admittedly I haven't experienced this either, but at least I have actually talked with men who have, some of whom have used rape as a metaphor in their description of what it's like. Of course, forced sodomy is also what may very well await them if they are ever unable to pay due to economic circumstances beyond their control.

Cold
9 years ago

>No, that is sex under threat so severe it removes your choice, which is rape. In that case you don't have a real choice.Choosing to have sex with someone in exchange for forgiveness of a debt is just prostitution.You are stupidly over-analyzing the scenario. The scenario is one where a man is forced to choose between being raped once, or put on the hook for child support for 18 years. It's not a realistic scenario nor is it meant to be. I can tell that you have either never played that old campfire game of "which would you rather…" or you were kicked out of that game for annoying your fellow campers with your foolish over-analysis of the scenarios.

Cold
9 years ago

>Amused,Is it above your abilities to address my actual points instead of making a ludicrous strawman and attacking that instead?

Sandy
9 years ago

>Right, and if he chooses to have sex in exchange for no child support, then it is not rape. He cannot choose to be raped.

Cold
9 years ago

>Nah, I think I'll just call you a damn dirty liar.How incredibly empathetic of you."Hey kid version of Cold, I'm a time traveling rapist here to fulfill a bargain made by your future self. I'm going to forcibly sodomize you, but trust me, you'll thank me for this later when you don't have to cough up some money every month to support some kid who is just as innocent as you are now–or at least, as innocent as you were a few minutes ago."If some mad scientist with a time machine offered to go back in time and save me from being sexually abused as a child, at the price of also sending someone to jump me and forcibly sodomize me at some point in the near future, I'd make that trade because it's preferable to what happened to me all those years ago.Cold is either somewhere on the clinical psychopathy scale, or just lying his ass off.Why do you present that as an either/or scenario? Psychopaths have no problem lying about things. I wasn't, however, aware of any kind of scale for that condition.

Sandy
9 years ago

>What I' m saying is, you can never play "would you rather" with "rape" because once you have the choice (I would rather. . .) you are no longer being raped.And like I said above, if there is no real choice (would you like rape, death, or rape?) then it is rape.

Cold
9 years ago

>Actually I should add, at least one of the men to whom I talked about paying child support considers himself to have been "raped by deception" by the woman to whom he has to pay the money. He says that she told him she was completely barren, but as it turns out she was not only perfectly fertile but was actually taking fertility drugs. I'm inclined to agree with his assessment.

Cold
9 years ago

>Sandy,If that's true then my earlier scenario about having to choose between forced vaginal or anal penetration cannot result in rape either way according to your twisted logic.

SallyStrange
9 years ago

>I apologize for dehumanizing mentally ill people with my words. It was poorly spoken of me. I just meant to say that Cold's comments reveal a severe break from any sense of empathy, for himself or anyone else. I think either option–that he really was raped, and is now dismissing the experience as something that only lasted a few minutes (I mean, his current behavior by itself is testimony that the effects have been far more long-lasting than he's willing to admit to himself), or that he's lying about having been raped, reveals that he doesn't relate to himself or others in a, well, neurotypical way. By "neurotypical" I mean able to feel empathy. Both for himself and others. I am unfamiliar with the terminology, please forgive my awkwardness.

Elizabeth
9 years ago

>Actually since he claims he was sexually assaulted as a child and an adult, his absolute hatred of false accusers makes even less sense.

Cold
9 years ago

>False accusers make people less likely to believe genuine victims. How does that not make sense?Oh and Sally, you haven't exactly been demonstrating much empathy yourself. As far as my mental status goes, I have never been diagnosed with any kind of psychosis and as far as psychological testing goes I am either neurotypical or capable of pretending to be neurotypical so convincingly that I can fool trained professionals.

Orion
9 years ago

>Being capable of fooling a psychologist doesn't speak much for anyones mental health. Psychologists can really only help people who want to be helped, and so they tend to assume that people seeking help will be honest about their condition. This is actually a big problem with psychologists, if you ask me. I went to a number of talk therapists who were useless because my need to pretend all is well–which they should have been helping me overcome–prevented them from noticing that I had a problem at all.