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On MGTOWforums.com, the central questions about women and gaming aren’t “what do women want, game-wise” or “is there something about certain types of games that repels women, or do they stay away because it gets really tiresome really quickly to have to listen to 14-year-old boys calling them “cunts” on XboxLive?” No, to the MGTOWers the big question is simpler: Why are women allowed to play video games at all?
Why can’t men have their own space? …
Women, back the fuck off. You stole our TV. You stole our movies. You stole our malls. You stole our clothe shops. You stole our supermarkets Meanwhile the gays are stealing our gyms, our theater, our dance, our music. Video-games is all we have left.
I don’t hear this bitch [note: a commenter on CNET] complaining about the lack of inclusiveness of games like bejeweled to men (I’ve played bejeweled maybe 10 minutes in my life, fun for about that length of time or when you are sitting on the bus). …
Companies like Zynga want to make casual games to target the hundreds of millions of girls on facebook. Fine! … Why not push to make casual games more “male-friendly”, you bitch? Farm-ville and City-ville could use some thought. Those games suck. They are clearly designed for the modern day brainless airhead bimbo with too much time on her hands.
The only casual game I’ve ever sucked dry was Plants Vs. Zombies. And if you aim to finish everything it becomes really hardcore in the survival levels.
1) Women identify with their gender too much. It seems that taking control of a male avatar is a problem for most of them. They cannot identify. I can identify with almost all avatars today. Male, female, adult, child, alien etc…
2) Females have less interesting personalities in real life, and therefore in fiction. There is a reason fiction involves men going through challenges and being transformed by them. In video games the two female archetypes are: the princess and the “you go grrl”. Women in real life have less dimension. They aren’t interesting. They bitch or they submit. That’s it. And I don’t care to hear some loud mouthed bitch barking orders at me through an ear piece. It’s unpleasant. If I’m in a war simulator I like hearing men talk. They usually have unique personalities, accents, character traits etc… When female characters do this they come off as pretending to be men and it doesn’t work.
Bitches like the one above form groups funded by donations to artificially fuck with the market. Men’s money today goes overwhelmingly towards good video-games. Let the market decide what women get. Bitch!
>Cold, your pretentious yet ignorant statements about Japan are piling up to a painful degree.I actually lived there for a good length of time, have you?For starters, Japan pretty much invented splatterfest horror.Source?Second, intersecting porn and horror is "largely unknown in the west"? You're an idiot. Have you seen Hostel? Are you familiar with the phrase "torture porn"?I've seen Hostel and noticed no sexualized torture in it. A girl gets her eyeball removed with a drill bit you're the idiot if you think that's sexual. All examples of torture porn I have encountered were of the Japanese "guro" variety.I've made only light forays into horror subculture, but your experience appears to encompass watching Ringu and then deciding you're suddenly an expert on horror and Japan.I made no claim of expertise but I have seen dozens of horror movies, both Japanese and western.
>Cold: Care to explain why you think tens of thousands of people would lie on an anonymous government survey and claim they'd been raped when they hadn't? Before you answer, bear in mind that rape rates under the NCVS have dropped by about 80% in the last four decades, so whatever explanation you come up with has to explain a vastly higher rate of false rape reporting on anonymous government surveys in the 1970s and 1980s than exists today.I'll wait.
>Most people get suspicious when "anonymous" and "government" are used in the same sentence. If they previously lied about being raped, they will feel compelled to maintain that lie on the survey even if the government claims that it is "anonymous".As for the drop, there are several factors that could account for it. One obvious factor is the fact that DNA evidence came into use in the 90s and made it substantially more difficult to falsely accuse a man of rape. Whereas prior to this technology a woman could arbitrarily accuse any man who didn't have an alibi, this technology made it necessary to actually have consensual sex and then lie about it being consensual. On top of this, DNA evidence also made it more difficult for real rapists to get away with their crime. It's not rocket science to consider how this would affect the report rate for rape.Another factor is the general decline in violent crime of all types from the 90s onward, which would include real rapes.Yet another factor to be considered is the reduction in sample size and thus statistical accuracy of the survey over the years as reported by the National Research Council.
>Cold.The survey was anonymous. How can a woman falsely accuse a man of rape when neither of them are named.Perfect example of the logic of a mra.
>Perfect example of the reading comprehension of a feminist.
>Hold on, Cold. The evidence of the NCVS is that most rapes aren't reported to the police. You're talking about people lying about having been raped when they HAVE reported those (supposedly non-existent) rapes to police. According to the NCVS, about 40% of rapes are reported to police. Even if your theory holds true, that means that the 60% of people who report rapes to NCVS that they never reported to police have no motivation to lie. Which in turn means that if EVERYONE who reports a rape to the police is lying, there are still 1.5 unreported real rapes to every false-and-reported rape claim.Finally, your suggestion that the decline reflects a decline in actual real violent crime indicates that you consider the vast majority of the rapes reported to the NCVS in the 1970s and 1980s — when, again, rape rates were much higher, and reporting much lower — were real rapes.None of this, in short, makes any sense. None of it supports your larger thesis. But thanks for making the effort.
>PS: If the NCVS is less statistically valid now than it was in the past, that means that earlier decades' high rape rates should be taken as more reliable than today's low ones. Once again your argument contradicts your larger thesis.
>Yeah, it's funny—-so many MRAs like Cold whine about the moral absolute of raping a kid—well, a female kid, which they don't find troubling at all. Bitch probably had it coming, and indulging the fantasies of misogynists is totally not harmful at all.
>I was wondering how the MRA contingent would manage to make this about false rape reports. Again. Is it possible to have a discussion about ANY TOPIC without it being derailed?
>LVVS,nope because the MRA's only care about their supposed pet issues when it gives them something to take the attention away from the real issue at hand. Which in this case is the fact that video game companies, just like most of the computer based world is highly sexist.
>Yes Ginmar, that fictional cartoon girl of indeterminate age(but at least old enough to conceive) totally had it coming, just like that fictional goomba that was brutally stomped to death by a fictional overweight Italian-American plumber. Are you an FCCRA(Fictional Cartoon Character Rights Activist)?
>According to the NCVS, about 40% of rapes are reported to police. Even if your theory holds true, that means that the 60% of people who report rapes to NCVS that they never reported to police have no motivation to lie.They have a possible motivation to lie; a higher number of rapes reported on the survey may be politically beneficial for them, especially for any gender feminists who were surveyed.Finally, your suggestion that the decline reflects a decline in actual real violent crime indicates that you consider the vast majority of the rapes reported to the NCVS in the 1970s and 1980s — when, again, rape rates were much higher, and reporting much lower — were real rapes.Again with the reading comprehension; I listed that as one of three POSSIBLE factors. I think SOME of the reported rapes were real rapes, and that means that if the number of real rapes declines, that affects the total number of rapes reported(real and fabricated rapes combined).If the NCVS is less statistically valid now than it was in the past, that means that earlier decades' high rape rates should be taken as more reliable than today's low ones.No, it means that the surveys from earlier decades should be taken as more representative FOR THOSE EARLIER DECADES. How would a survey from 1981 tell you anything about the rate of reported crime in 2011?
>I was wondering how the MRA contingent would manage to make this about false rape reports.If you actually read from the top down you would see that I wasn't MRAs who pushed the derailment.nope because the MRA's only care about their supposed pet issues when it gives them something to take the attention away from the real issue at hand. Which in this case is the fact that video game companies, just like most of the computer based world is highly sexist.I thought the real issue at hand was sexist comments by game players and the idea, which I supported with some actual evidence, that women's groups ARE, in fact, doing things to artificially fuck with the market.Hey, if you think the existing video game and computer companies are sexist then why not start your own? Don't you know how companies come into existence? They come into existence because people organize them.
>@ Cold:Now who's got poor reading comprehension? I said 'MRA contingent', not 'Cold' had derailed this topic. And I don't know about any of the other posters on this thread, but I'm studying digital entertainment technology so I can make the kind of games that I want to play.
>Oh, that was supposed to say "it wasn't MRAs", not "I wasn't MRAs" which makes no grammatical sense. Either I made a typo or I wrote that sentence from the point of view of the kind of person who would make a typo.Anyway good for you for taking it upon yourself to learn how to make games. A few good men have been kind enough to create sites like Newgrounds that provide that will provide you with free, uncensored hosting and (mostly)constructive criticism from a vibrant community of men and women with a "live and let live" mentality.
>I am quite aware of Newgrounds. And I am just one person, who has decided that this is my priority for a career. It's no less legitimate to be a lawyer, tax accountant, mail courier, teacher, politician or independent contractor who also enjoys playing video games and would like to see a wider demographic served by AAA titles. I'd also like to see subsidized organic food and a reduction in the use of corn sugar in most processed food, but I'm not becoming a farmer for that.
>Meanwhile the gays are stealing our gyms, our theater, our dance, our music. Video-games is all we have left.So, wait, he's complaining that gay men are involved in the theater? As if this is some sort of recent development? I'm fairly certain that at least one or two of the ancient Greek dramatists were gay. Next thing you know, he'll be complaining that African-Americans stole his jazz and blues music.
>Wow, coming into this thread after the fact is like a roller-coaster. It's like I'm going up the hill, finding myself unexpectedly siding with cold -yeah, that is a good point, yeah what's done by consenting adults without harming anyone else shouldn't be anyone else's business, up up up to the top…And then he brings up false rape and WHOA suddenly I'm not going up anymore, I'm going downhill at a breakneck pace, as fast away from Cold's arguments as I can possibly go! It's a helluva ride, I'll tell you that!
>Cold, all your explanations for why the rape rate has dropped refer only to rapes reported to police. Since most rapes catalogued in the NCVS aren't reported, and since reporting rates are actually rising, what we're left with is a greater decline in unreported rapes than reported rapes. If we start from the premises that [1] the vast majority of reported rapes are legitimate, [2] many women are raped and never report it, and [3] women are more willing to report rapes to the police than they were in the past, we would expect to find exactly this pattern. The data fits my theory, in other words.Your theory of rape, on the other hand, can't account for this huge decline in unreported rapes. At all.
>Cold: 'The vast, vast majority of censorship I have encountered in my life was done by, or at the urging of, women.'This is probably because so much offensive material in games (tv shows, movies, etcetera) is offensive to women. Sexual content in most "offensive" situations is specifically male-gratifying and objectifies women, if it's not downright hostile to women.If there were a prison game where one of the goals is to rape a guy who was falsely convicted of rape just on the word of one lying woman, I believe you'd object to that.
>Sam,Notice that I only brought that up in response to pourquoi's inane argument that Japan's low rate of sex crime is an illusion because there are tons of rapes in Japan going unreported. Absolutely no proof of this was presented, so I decided that two could play at that game and pushed the other way. Only in an Orwellian 1984 world could we actually know how many rapes happen, how many go unreported, and now many false reports there are.
>Jupiter9,I'd object to it and I certainly wouldn't buy it, but I also wouldn't push to have it banned. Modern media is full of material offensive to men including treating the rape of men, especially in prison, as a huge joke. I have yet to hear of any petition by men to censor or ban a tv show, movie, or game for treating prison rape as a joke.
>Cold, there's this:http://www.standyourground.com/boyc.phpYou may not have heard of it, because MRAs are idiots when it comes to organizing anything (beyond riling people up to harass people they don't like), but this is indeed a call to boycott about a zillion companies due to supposed "male bashing" in ads.
>Cold's being a moron, yet again. Let's see, a hugely patriarchal, conservative society which places a disproportionate amount of importance on the concept of saving face? Oh, hell, yes, I'd LOVE to report rapes there! They have a possible motivation to lie; a higher number of rapes reported on the survey may be politically beneficial for them, especially for any gender feminists who were surveyed. Those wily feminazis, plotting to falsely ensnare men by….reporting in complete anonymity, which prevents prosecution. Note how Coldie is convinced that women must lie in large amounts to some machiavellian purpose. And yet he thinks video games which depict the rape of women and girls are okay.
>Only in an Orwellian 1984 world could we actually know how many rapes happen, how many go unreported, and now many false reports there are. I think that's a bit of an overstatement. I don't think there's a compelling reason to throw our all the research that's been done on under-reporting of rape. "Women are probably lying" really doesn't count as a compelling reason. For your response, Cold, let's assume you've already insulted my intelligence and my reading comprehension, and that you've already called me "vapid," so that you can move right on to telling me why I'm wrong. Because I'm helpful like that.