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Oh Men Going Their Own Way, why must you be so confusing? MRAs and MGTOWers complain all the time about how unfair it is for women who somehow magically get preggers after having sex with them to decide to actually keep the kids and saddle them with — gasp! — some of the cost of raising said kids. So you’d think manosphere dudes would all be fervently in favor of easy access to abortion or, at the very least, birth control.
Not so much. Because apparently for quite a few of these dudes, the desire to gloat over the misfortunes of women actually outweighs their desire to protect themselves from the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy.
Or so I am forced to conclude after reading this thread on MGTOWforums.com dealing with the recent passage in the House of a bill blocking funding of Planned Parenthood — an event that strikes many of the commenters as hi-larious.
Apeiron offers this nugget:
Yes i saw the femms frothing at the mouth on their boards.
Well you know what bitch, we have to make cuts, lots of cuts …
Good news is if the sluts see the cuts they might keep their legs shut and act accordingly.
The appropriately named womanhater presents his own analysis of the sexual politics of abortion:
Well – the twats replaced the husband and father with the state. Now they’ve bled that hubby and father dry. Of course, there’s no replacement cock/sucker for the state. Have fun girls!
Rock adds:
[F]eminism cannot be defeated without cutting out funding. … The neverending supply of manginas and white knights will keep it going unless these same people run out of money. And that is what’s happening. Who would’ve thought the bad economy could have a good side effect. 🙂
Forum moderator hasmat concurs:
Want an abortion cuz you couldn’t keep your legs shut? Fine, kill your baby, whore. But, I ain’t paying for it. Not a penny.
But it is intp who offers the most, er, original take on the issue:
Question. What percentage of women would give their daughters up for sacrifice if they could remain young-looking/beautiful in return? I’m guessing a considerable percentage would take the Devil up on that deal. The rationalization hamster in women is strong. They would probably tell themselves I’ll just have another baby later. Or “What about my needs? I have a right to be beautiful!” I ask this because per statistics most abortions occur due to non-health threatening reasons. The woman simply does not want to have a kid yet. She wants to keep screwing like a man (riding the carousel) until the last possible minute.
Ignoring the rest of intp’s, ah, speculation, I have to wonder: what exactly is wrong with “screwing like a man?”
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>just sheeple-ing along drinking the kool-aidAnother possible t-shirt slogan! I gotta get working on that again.
>@NatashaI'm afraid your idea of what constitutes an interesting read is somewhat different from mine. My standards of what constitute factual argument are definitely different.That was nothing but wankery.
>run away feminist paintbrush from hell. I think I have a new t-shirt idea
>I'm waiting for the "bad boy cock carousel" t-shirt myself.
>I think you should commission Ampersand to do illustrations for these. I can't be the only one who thinks a fleeing paintbrush with flames painted on the side could be pretty amusing.
>I would hope all women would be feminists. Because I would hope all women like doing things like voting, getting an education, being allowed to work outside of the home, or being allowed to choose if an to whom they will be married. These are all very basic feminist ideas. When a woman says that she isn't a feminist, she's saying she doesn't agree with women voting, working, owning their own lives, or being educated. If that's really what you want for your own life, then hey. Whatever sinks your submarine. But if not, then you might have to come to terms with the fact that you believe the same things as feminists do.
>While I disagree with Natasha on, well, pretty much everything else, attacking her gender identity is out of line. While there are less misogynistic women than misogynistic men, they do exist. Attacking Natasha's gender and suggesting that she " does love it when misogynists hit on her" is an unecessary personal attack. There is plenty to disagree with in what she has said. Shoot, even go ahead and call her a misogynist. But let's not go down the road of accusing someone of being a fake woman, okay.
>Test the gender characteristics of writing samples: http://bookblog.net/gender/genie.php*Spoiler: GenderGenie also thinks Natasha is a man. The outcome is, of course, not definitive.*
>@DarkSideCat:I think you're right, generally, but there are female MRA supporters who comment here pretty often who do not get called out as men. It's seems what several people have picked up on a disconnect between who Natasha is representing herself to be and other signals in her presentation, probably word choice, syntax, voice, whatever. I agree that it doesn't matter, to the argument, whether Natasha is male or female, but it is interesting that more than one reader has had the same thought.
>I'm with Cat here. Challenge Natasha's arguments; I have. But there's no reason to call her gender into question or to even make that an issue. Besides, I think most of the time when people challenge the gender of someone in the middle of some argument online, they're wrong. There are MRAs out there who are convinced I'm a woman because I do this blog, even though I'm, you know, a real person blogging under his real name.
>> I guess I'm damned if I carefully qualify me words (which is what I generally try to do) and damned if I don't.I just fed this comment into pirate genie and it flagged the phrase "me words".David is a pirate!!!
>Gender Genie always thinks I'm a man, as do most people I talk to over the internet. And Sandy isn't that common of a man's name.Also I third or fourth or whatever not questioning people's given genders because:1. Who cares?; and2. It's rude.
>And spineless? Spineless because I'm not a feminist? Do you think all women should be feminists?Well, you benefit daily from the social advances made by feminism. You benefit from the actual, boots-on-the-ground, ass-risking activism and work of more than a century of feminists. So those particular individuals certainly have more spine than you.Let me assume something for a moment – I assume you support women's right to vote, own property, and sign a legally binding contract. It has nothing to do with your gender; most contemporary Western men support these things too. MRAs often don't, but they're batshit. Anyway, if I'm wrong, and you don't support these things, just let me know and I'll recant this paragraph.But to support those things while denouncing the people and the ideology that brought them into existence is, yes, spineless. It's like the people – numerous at the time but still present today believe it or not – who say they totally support black civil rights but they don't agree with Martin Luther Kings's methods. It's basically a veiled way of saying he was a bit uppity, and black civil rights aren't as important to them as feeling secure against the threat they perceive in what an empowered, enfranchised black population can accomplish.Voting rights and equal legal standing were not generously given to women by benevolent men. Women, specifically feminist women, had to hit the streets and demand these things, and stir shit up until they got those things, and at the time the men in power thought they were uppity, too.
>I have actually, literally, laughed out loud about 12 times during this entire thread. This is awesome, guys, girls … whatever. (I'm also drinking.)I'd much rather make fun of someone for being deadass wrong about everything they say and think, than because they've possibly (probably) misrepresented themselves on the internet. So seriously, since we (may) have a real live woman-MRA in our midst, let me ask this: I've always wondered why women would sign up for inclusion in a movement that calls women sluts and twats. Perhaps you could explain the appeal?
>"The comedy is increased by at least five fold."—SandyYour posting is comedy.
>Oriental menNot cool, Pam.
>For funsies, I tried the "gender genie" on a couple of posts from feminist blogs. Apparantly, Venessa over at feministing is solidly a guy, as is Jill over at feministe. I also tried the headline stories on the Yahoo page. Mindy, writing about Glee, gets male, as does Rachel writing about Rush Limbaugh, as does Les writing about home pricing. The MRA comments exerpted in the post on Muslims end up with two as female and one as male. Accuracy is not this tool's strong point.
>triplanetary, a lot of people don't actually understand why that isn't an acceptable term to use, so some clarification is necessary there. Pam, the reason that the term oriental shouldn't be used is because it is generally referenced in the same breath as turning those of an asian decent into something foreign and exotic. The acceptable term there is asian just FYI
>incidently david I have a friend who is an artist and also a feminist who would like to do the graphic designs for you. If you are interested let me know and I'll have him get in touch with you
>"Pam, the reason that the term oriental shouldn't be used is because it is generally referenced in the same breath as turning those of an asian decent into something foreign and exotic. The acceptable term there is asian just FYI"The hilarity/incomprehensibility of the phrase "fluent in the Oriental language," is another pretty good reason not to say things like that.
>Not to mention, there are a number of women who do not and have not supported feminists – the 'well behaved women' who have internalized cultural messages about the relative value of male opinions versus female opinions. Women like Natasha have decided that it is more important for men to think well of them and to earn the label 'Not like THOSE women,' and so they spend quite a bit of their time reassuring men that they are not a feminist and continually deferring to male opinion.
>Laughing at the idea of Paul Elam as "bright and articulate". He's small minded, full of hatred for women, and writes a lot of destructive trash. I can definitely see him in a tin foil hat.
>Lady Victoria von Sirius Black's mother said… "Why is it so hard for MRAs to grasp this concept?""If a woman chooses to abort, she is opting out of parenthood because there is not a baby that needs parenting." Because she killed it. "If she chooses to keep her child, there is a human being now in the world." WRONG. There is a human being whether she chooses to kill it or not. A child does not suddenly become a child just because leeettle Meeeeeees Entitlement decrees it so. "A man opting out of parenthood is a man abandoning a human being. It is not equivalent to an abortion."YES IT IS.You take a man's DNA to make a baby.You are NOT the sole proprietor.When you get an abortion you ARE making a decision for THREE (count them if you can count that high) people.Why is it so hard for feminists to grasp this concept?YOU'RE VAGINA IS NOT THE CENTER OF THIS GALAXY AND NEITHER ARE YOU."Le sigh""Men also need to understand that, if they don't want to have children, there are many, many things they can do to avoid that."Well duh! That's what MGTOW is about.
>YOU'RE VAGINA IS NOT THE CENTER OF THIS GALAXY Yet another t-shirt possibility! Briget, definitely have your friend get in touch with me.
>EWM, genuinely not trolling but are you really pro-life? I figured you'd be a fan of abortion both for its eugenic possibilities and for the leg up it'd give you in the gender wars (disproportionately aborting female babies, as they do in some parts of the world). Maybe I've got you figured wrong but I always thought you were one of those transhumanist guys who viewed technology like abortion as possible tools for male liberation. I could be confusing you with someone else tho, pardon me for asking.