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I recently ran across this picture online, which is evidently from a feminist protest in Mexico City in 1991; it was part of an exhibition of photos tracing the history of the feminist movement in Mexico City. (Here’s a link to a Google Translated version of a web page on the exhibition,.)
I think the slogan is a pretty good description of how most feminists would like women to be regarded: Not as saints, not as whores, but just as women.
Or, in language more understandable to a lot of the MRAs/MGTOWers out there: “Not as pretty princesses, not as Ameriskanks, but just as women.”
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>@ Julie CannyJulie said: "Your mother gave birth to you! She carried you for 9 MONTHS in the womb; you didn't just spring up overnight from her shoulderblade! SOMEONE took care of you, fed you, clothed you, gave you a roof over your head!"My mom did take care of me and she didn't demand a god damn government check to do her job! She did it because I was her responsibility and my mom was a woman and not some parasite feminist. Responsibility, it's a word you feminists should look up.Julie: "By your reasoning, you should be called a "parasite" because you were anything BUT a rugged individualist. If your dad supported you both, great! If the state supported you, at least you both were helped instead of being left to starve to death…"Try to get this through your little, hysterical, estrogen addled, sub standard feminist brain, there is a huge difference between being occasionally helped by the government and handing out 18 years of checks of over 100,000 per year, paid for by the tax base, to mothers for doing their job as mothers to raise their own fucking kids, who they decided to have on their own. Got it?Julie: "ALL of us in this society benefit from the labor that others have engaged in long before, that WE didn't do."No shit.Julie: "I have a male friend who is currently on welfare due to longstanding unemployment issues; he has seriously looked for a job to no avail. I AM HAPPY that there is a social net for him, although it IS going to disappear rapidly–which saddens me."Should we pay him 100K to? Julie: "But I'd rather my tax dollars go for helping HIM–"Then take YOUR dollars and help him, not mine.Julie: ". . .WOULD MUCH RATHER see that than a filthy war in Iraq and Afghanistan that is the ACTUAL REASON why we are being seriously bankrupted!! (OH yeah, and not to mention derivatives being played with…) 50% of the American economy goes towards propping up an enormous military, and you're constantly bitching about women and children??"You're picking the wrong guy to make this argument to. I completely disagree with both wars. The U.S. should get out take a good quarter of a century and pretty much say fuck the world and work on it's own problems.Julie: "AND NO, I'm not going to "provide a link or proof," it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE how much money is being sucked up to fund a useless "war on terror."Again I agree with you, however what you feminists call common knowledge is often based on lies. On this though you're right.Julie: "All the corporatist welfare in the world for you to LEGITIMATELY rant against: all the government contracts and government/corporate unity in the world that's sucking up your tax dollars and mine …but making room in the corporate world for working mothers with kids is "parasitism?""IT'S ALL PARASITISM. From the corporation, to the lazy mom. It is all a product of people wanting something for nothing, and it is all wrong.(Cont)Random Brother
>(Cont)(Cont)Julie: ""Do you really think that if a ton of men decide to become day care teachers that daycare teachers will see a six figure salary?"Uh, YES. WE DO!""BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey everyone listen, Julie thinks that watching little Janey eat paste could magically transform into a six figure job, if only some men would join the ranks! OMFG!!! Here's a thought. If it is SO OBVIOUS that this would occur, why don't you get men to become day care teachers? Surely these men would want to be in a field that will jump to six figures, right? So get men in the field and then count your cash, why don't you do that? I'll tell you why. You don't do it for the same reason that all these allegedly "underpaid" women don't all start their own business hiring only women and with the savings in labor put everyone else out of business. Because what you are saying is bull.Julie: "Or, at least there will be an big income increase."Which is it, six figures or a big income jump? If it's so obvious why don't you know which it is? You are just pulling this out of you ass.Julie: "The work will, all of a sudden, be seen as VALUABLE. Work that is seen as being done by women is repeatedly devalued; the bias is unconscious but quite powerful. YES."NO. Work that is generally considered valuable tend to make your bosses money. Get that through your head.Julie: "Feminists have talked about this FOR DECADES."And they're still fucking wrong decades later.Julie: "You keep ignoring Bee's attempts to reason with you on this issue."It's not reasoning. It's factless claims with some hysterical whining thrown in.Random Brother
>@ DavidDavid said: "Richard, I think you're right, two people (or mayve it was one person twice, I don't remember), called for you to be banned. How many people behind the scenes? zero. Have I banned you? No. I think I may have deleted a couple of individual comments. You DO go for personal attacks more often and with more vehemence than most people here, and really nasty personal attacks are against my comment policy, but I tend to give you a bit of leeway on that because your insults tend to be sort of entertaining. So consider yourself the beneficiary of a Richard Pass — or Dick Pass, for short."I'm going to call it MY BIG DICK PASS, because that's what a manly manly mannish MRA would do.:)Random Brother
>@ ElizabethOatmeal Raisin?Random Brother
>@ DavidI hate military contractors, and their whole scheme to rob American blind. There are too many taxes, fees, fines, regulations, and rules. Adding more just makes life needlessly more complex. If Obama pulled us out of Iraq and Afghanistan I'd be the first to cheer. Random Brother
>Your mother did get government benefits-especially since homeschooling is a very recent phenom and almost everyone in the US went to one public school or another at some point in time.You benefited from that because she was able to use that education to get a job. And if you got loans for school or grants, they better have been 100% private because otherwise you blowing smoke again.And again, we are not saying hand over checks of $100,000 per year to ANYONE. What we are saying is show some fucking respect to the people like your own mother who got some government help to raise your ungrateful ass. And thin mints-what kind of blog do you think this is?
>IT'S ALL PARASITISM. From the corporation, to the lazy mom. It is all a product of people wanting something for nothing, and it is all wrong.So, in this free-market, capitalist system under which a lot of us who frequent this board happen to live, if corporations didn't exist, there wouldn't be any shareholders (who you seem to be concerned about, from some of your posts), nor would there be need for any bosses for whom to perform valuable work, so then there would be no need for workers, and no need for mothers to give birth to and raise potential workers…. we wouldn't have to worry about paying taxes because how would you pay them, anyway…..so i guess we'd all just be parasites then?Don't get me wrong, Richard, I'm not a fan of the huge multinationals, but I'm wondering, since you seem to be a fan of the capitalist system that gives rise to such (and that's not to say that I agree or disagree with you), what is your idea of a more ideal system? Myself, I've been reading a little on something that's been termed The Third WayOh, and btw, it's often been feminists who are accused of denigrating stay-at-home moms and calling them lazy, etc. …….. does that mean….???
>And thin mints-what kind of blog do you think this is?Hey, if Richard don't want 'em, I'll take 'em!!!
>"It's not reasoning. It's factless claims with some hysterical whining thrown in."Ouch! Nice use of the misogynist dog whistle, Random Brother. No, but seriously–when you decide to start providing verification for your assertions, I will too. As for the hysterical whining, gosh: I'll try to control myself. But let me guess … you'll characterize the fact that I'm neither hysterical nor whining as either a factless claim or a hysterical whine.
>Richard: "Do you yet have a rebuttal for why the alleged social contract you nutjobs keep blabbering on about must now be rewritten to include 100K given to stay at home moms when this has never occurred before, dear?"NO ONE HERE IS ARGUING for giving 100K to stay at home moms–we have said that they are WORTH this, ergo their work deserves respect!!"It's the truth. I am superior to a bunch of government leaching parasites. Don't like it? Stop being and or supporting leeches. Otherwise admit that you are nothing but a taker and I am a maker and vastly, VASTLY, superior to you in every way."NOPE. You are MOST CERTAINLY a taker. Undeniably. The ones with the aristocratic, superior attitudes are the biggest leeches on society proper. What silver spoon did YOU grow up with in your mouth, Richard?"Try to get this through your little, hysterical, estrogen addled, sub standard feminist brain,…"YOUR hysteria is showing with all the name-calling. You wouldn't know a rational argument if it hit you in the butt. Ad-hominem attacks all over the place, and you think you're so calm. "You feminists." I WEAR THAT TITLE PROUDLY.:-) Keep trying to use it as a swearword.:)"You're picking the wrong guy to make this argument to. I completely disagree with both wars. The U.S. should get out take a good quarter of a century and pretty much say fuck the world and work on it's own problems."*Fair enough*: why not train your big guns, then, on the biggest drain in the economy, WHICH ARE THE WARS, rather than women and children? Or are you one of these people who pray for "shrinking government down to the size of a baby and drowning it in a bathtub?" (Grover Norquist.) Ever consider that a small/weak government is an open invite to even greater predation by multinational corporations?"IT'S ALL PARASITISM. From the corporation, to the lazy mom. It is all a product of people wanting something for nothing, and it is all wrong."Yeah, and I'm looking at one of the biggest parasites I've seen on the Net, just WASTING people's time and energy. Oh, YOUR entitlement!! You still don't see it, do you? Didn't your mother teach you that you become what you hate, that you absolutely turn into what you despise? Sadly, I guess not…or perhaps she told you, and you didn't listen…"…why don't you get men to become day care teachers? Surely these men would want to be in a field that will jump to six figures, right? So get men in the field and then count your cash, why don't you do that?"(Predatory, lazy, shark smile coming on…)Yeah, Richard, perhaps I JUST MIGHT DO THAT. But the question is, could you handle the rising income power of both women and men teaching day care kids? Could you stand to see what just might be the beginning of a rising income elevation? Could you stand to see these people who are MORE LIKELY MUCH MORE LIBERAL THAN YOU to get real income power? Funding causes and candidates and think tanks that you wouldn't like? Really?? Be careful what you wish for or suggest, Richard.:)
>"MRA's are ripped all the time on this board. I have been insulted on this board. Apparently you can only see when feminists are insulted. The bottom line is if you insult me, you'll be insulted back."All this namecalling you directed at me when I didn't call you a single name, and you sit there like some beleaguered victim. WOW, this is truly rich–Richard.:-) The closest I got in my first post to 'being insulting' was when I rightfully pointed out how narcissistic and deluded you were, and you go off the deep end calling me every name in the book: "skirt, hysterical, estrogen-addled," etc. I didn't start calling you a parasite until you threw that name all over the place. I made two posts taking you to task, and you LOST YOUR COOL, ranting at me for *four* posts. So, I'll waste another two posts replying: then I'm done, for my time is precious.:) Who's being hysterical and shrill now, Richard? That would be you. For example:"NO. Work that is generally considered valuable tend to make your bosses money. Get that through your head."Simply unthinking hogwash.:-) Police, firefighters, college administrators, and college professors do NOT tend to make profit money for their employers–in spite of that, they perform real services and are CONSIDERED INVALUABLE.Police and firefighters save people's lives and property, but the cities who hire them generally make no money off of saving properties. The cities can only raise the money for these services (so far) through taxation, NO PROFIT that I'm aware of. College administrators and professors are engaged in intangible services–admins hold the operations of the schools together, professors share knowledge. BUT, while they sometimes draw applications from all over the country (depending on reputation), what they do is NOT considered *directly* profitable. They don't "make money" for their employer. But if you can't see the value, the LONG-TERM VALUE, in what they offer, I truly feel for you…similarly, with day care teachers–much as you like to throw contempt on "watching little Janey eat paste," that too is valuable. HIGHLY valuable, and deserves as much honor as fighting fires in its own right. It's quiet, it's unglamorous…and every bit as necessary, much as that truth infuriates you. If you can't see how taking care of a child is valuable…wow, says volumes about you. NOW, I'm being serious. My gut hunch is that you've got some serious issues because you were devalued as a child–hence, you devalue children. Vulnerability brings out the snarl and the contempt in you, as does disagreement or criticism. You constantly insult and denigrate people–with an aim towards hogging the spotlight. ALL of these symptoms are associated with narcissism, which is usually incurred as the result of severe childhood emotional deprivation. Unfortunately, I wasn't kidding when I noticed narcissism symptoms in you: please get some professional help, because you have no idea how much you're damaging yourself. Sam Vaknin has some excellent videos on YouTube on narcissism; as a recovering narcissist, he paved the way for identifying and treating this disease. For your OWN sake, please check him out.
>@ ElizabethWhat you are actaully doing is laying the ground work for ANOTHER tax that will never end and progressively get higher and push this country further into debt and then collapse.Thin mints. Now you feminists want to be cheap? Random Brother
>@ Julie, Bee, and PamWe could go on forever with this. I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with you all on this. But in summation, I'm right. You are wrong. And all females legs should be hairless, so there :PRandom Brother
>What you are actaully doing is laying the ground work for ANOTHER tax that will never end and progressively get higher and push this country further into debt and then collapse.More taxes will drive the country into debt? That's funny, I thought a major part of our debt crisis was the fact that we're too busy kowtowing to the wealthy to tax them enough. If we taxed the wealthy as much as sensible countries do, we could be well on our way to fixing the national debt.
>Incorrect Richard-those countries that have higher taxation on those with money force them to spend it on things like employees' wages and benefits. When they do that, they increase the standard of living for everyone. So high taxes, done correctly, have a major push on economic growth. That extra tax money that is collected can then be used to pay down debt or for large capital improvements that help the average businessman more then he is willing to admit.At five bucks a box, thin mints are not cheap.And all men should shave their damn faces if they want us women to shave our legs-that is way more surface to deal with and the least you can do is shave your face.
>Elizabeth said: "Look Richard-you live in a society created by people who paid for things you like without you paying for them yourself. Roads, the interwebz, the water distribution system, the telephone lines, the development of safe cars, the development of safe air travel…thousands of little things all day long make your life livable were created and paid for long before your whiny self was even thought of." All those things that you say live we can't live without, were built by men. Almost entirely. The number of women who REFUSE to do these hard jobs way outnumber those who were discriminated against, in these fields. But in my own social circles, radical feminists would screech "I don't need a man!. I'm a independent womyn! I tell them: So, that means you don't need the firefighters. Or garbageman. Or electricians, etc. "Call out the sisterhood" on their hypocrisy!