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| Lara Logan, shortly before the attack |
There has been an astounding amount of vile shit posted on the internet about the reported sexual assault and beating of CBS reporter Lara Logan in Cairo’s Tahir Square. I spent a depressing hour or so the other night looking through hundreds of comments on the Yahoo news message boards; it was a virtual festival of misogyny, racism, victim-blaming and simple nastiness. A sample (each quote is from a different comment):
don’t put some nice white pu55y near crazy @#$% arabs. it’s like goddamn king kong
Kinda’ like sending a woman reporter into a locker room? Don’t ask me to feel any kind of remorse for her. Equal rights demands equal responsibility
it started as a revolution and turned in a black spring break! mwaa ha ha
She loved every minute of it.
I could multiply examples ad infinitum; the last I checked there were more than 1500 comments on the one Yahoo news story I looked at, and most were of this sort. The only slightly encouraging sign? Most of these vile comments have more downvotes from readers than upvotes.
You expect this kind of behavior from the Yahoo message board crowd, which has never been very big on civility, or even basic human decency. Typical anonymous internet assholery.
Leave it to the readers of The Spearhead, though, to take commentary on this sad case to an even lower low. Yesterday, Spearhead head honcho W.F. Price published his own, predictably victim-blaming, take on the subject — essentially blaming feminists for encouraging women to report the news in the same dangerous places that male reporters go. (When Anderson Cooper was attacked, you didn’t hear anyone suggesting that men shouldn’t be covering the events in Cairo.)
I think that’s a supremely tasteless way to use this tragedy to push an antifeminist agenda. But the comments to his article, roughly 270 of them at last count, are far worse — rarely bothering with even a pro-forma expression of basic human sympathy, some blaming and even mocking the victim, and most using the case to crudely push an assortment of their own misogynist agendas. Here are some of the worst; I present them without comment, as they pretty much speak for themselves. I have edited some for space reasons; you can follow the links to read them in their entirety.
Alucin explained about how rape allegedly benefits its victims:
When I studied in university a woman claimed to have been gang-raped. After telling the story, she acquired a certain authority. She was at the top of the feminist hierarchy …. Her word was gold because of her rape.
It was never even verified if she had in fact been raped.
It’s a harsh thing to say, but the woman at university gained immensely from the rape, or her rape story-telling, with this increased stature. She probably wouldn’t have gotten into that very small degree program without the rape story to tell to the admissions committee.
At school, no one, especially a man, could ever challenge her about any subject, however remotely related to rape. …
Rape against men or women is a tragedy, but I also find it sickening how “survivors” or their “friends and supporters” often use their status for personal gain. … It’s the same thing when feminists politicize breast cancer.
Opus added:
I agree with Alcuin: In my experience women wear RAPE like a badge of honour or military medal (as I presume Ms Logan will now do). I, of course, never believe word of it, and I notice most guys these days are equally sceptical. There may be an increasing Rape epidemic but no one I know is a Rapist. Funny.
Confused declared that he didn’t give a shit:
No group on earth is more privileged that American/western women.
I won’t waste my time any more worrying about their safety, or lack thereof, due to their choices.
intp took it a step further:
Don’t believe her. Don’t care. I hope the Arab guys didn’t catch anything from her.
That is what the non-stop lie called feminism has done to me. Vive la nihilism.
Rebel offered this highly original take on rape:
I don’t see the point here..
According to feminist orthodoxy, humpteen gazillion women are raped every day. This one is the humpteen gazillionth plus one for that day.
Women are raped if you have sex with them, women are raped if you don’t have sex with them, women are raped even if there are no men around. …
Every time two animals are copulating, a woman feels raped. There are more rapes on earth than there are hydrogen molecules in the universe.
To women of today, rape seems to be the highest achievement, the Royal Road to Success.
I’m laughing so much I might get a hernia, my belly is aching from the laughter.
Papa Smurf suggested the reported rape was a great career move, and ended his comment with a smiley:
she’ll be a CBS news anchor in no time. great way to get promoted.
I dont know if she genuinely didnt want what just happend or maybe feminism has affectivly blinded her and rendered her stupid. Blonde western women in the arab world are like all you can eat restraunts to fat people. Just help yourselves 😉
Troll King posted a long rambling diatribe against “western women” in the Middle East, of which these remarks are only a small portion:
*yawn*
Typical feminist/western woman(as if there is a difference) acts like her typical bitchy self in a place that won’t tolerate it. ….
The fact is that women, western cunts, think they can go into a culture and act how they want and treat the poorest of the poor not just like “help” or a but like a slave that should be lashed for simply flirting. I bet these rapists look who do this probably thought she would act towards them the same way white women act towards brown and black men on western tv. Like he was a stud….
But, umm, like yeah dude. That is so hurrible I might go and cry a river.
The Contrarian Expatriate took victim-blaming to a new low:
Sounds like she got what she set herself up for. You can yell, “I am woman, hear me roar!” all you want in the Anglosphere, but step into the 3rd world behaving that way and they will pound you (no pun intended) back into your place.
Again, as is generally the case with the comments from The Spearhead that I quote here on my blog, these are not weird outliers in the discussion there. Unlike the comments from Yahoo I quoted above, all of the comments I quoted from The Spearhead got multiple upvotes from readers there, in most cases several dozen; none had more than a handful of downvotes. Alucin’s comment about the benefits of rape — a comment surprisingly similar in spirit to an infamous quote on false rape accusations from Catherine Comins, an assistant dean at Vassar, that still raises hackles from antifeminists two decades after it was uttered to a Time magazine writer — got more than 80 upvotes. There is more than a little irony here.
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>Nick wrote:But feminazitwats will always be shameless hypocritical two faced bigots to the end. But don't you DARE call him a misogynist.
>Vagrant:I think the difference between men's reasonable fear of rape and women's reasonable fear of rape is that men really only need reasonably fear rape in certain narrowly circumscribed situations, prison being the most notable. For women the reasonable fear of being raped is present in a great variety of circumstances. This reasonable fear of being raped causes many women to limit their activities in ways that men simply do not have to do. Women who attempt to operate outside of their safe zone of activity–and who, like Ms. Logan are raped or sexually assaulted–are then condemned because "they should have known better." The fact that men have this de facto freedom to venture places women fear to tread is an example of male privilege. As with most forms of privilege, most men are blind to how privileged they are this area.
>Captain Bathrobe said"As with most forms of privilege, most men are blind to how privileged they are this area."I don't understand how this is defined as privilege. This is just an another lame feminist excuse to further the poor poor persecuted female victim status.Just because there are nubjobs out there who rape, this has nothing to do with privilege for men what so ever. You dumbass feminuts make absolutely no sense. You will twist just about anything you can around to guise it as some kind of privilege for men. This is why I raise concern that feminism can turn into a disorder and a unhealthy obsession on many people these days.Men are just as likely to be a target of a violent crime when they are walking up a street alone at night. It happens to people at any gender and age.But with the same old lame old but but but most men are the offenders, when it comes to false DV and rape accusations and paternity fraud, women are the biggest offenders and males are far more likely the victims of all of this.So does that mean I can sit here and say that women are the most privileged gender in western societies?Of course not, that's silly just as it is with this ridiculous feminist stance displayed in this thread.Feminists will deny any female privilege to what I just mentioned but when women are more likely to be victims in certain areas; feminists change the rules when it comes to the assumptions on who is the most privileged gender.
>Ah, Nick: same bullshit, different day.
>Oh I am forgetting, females are likely to receive lighter sentences than males for the same crimes :PPrivilege?
>Hi Cpt. Bathrobe,Thanks very much for your reasonable response. At the risk of sounding confrontational, though (still waiting for Tri to show up), I must ask, where, exactly, can men tread *without* feeling threatened? No, as you said, it's less likely we'll be raped, but we can still get mugged, murdered, and all that. Many of the places women oughtn't go for fear of being raped (parties, dark alleys, etc.) are also places *I* wouldn't go as man–drunk frat boys may try to pick a fight with me at a party, muggers could try and knife me in a dark alley, and so on. While I suppose I can agree that women can be mugged, murdered, etc. *and* raped, while men like us can only be mugged and murdered, in terms of how much it is actually prudent for us to limit our activities I am not sure I see much difference.
>Claiming men are privileged because they don't have to worry about rape is sort of like men claiming women are privileged because they don't have to worry about testicular cancer.Everyone has some advantage/disadvantage over someone else in a particular situation. Unless you are going to total all advantages and disadvantages and come up with some sort of total you cannot honestly claim some sort of societal privilege that is exceedingly in the favor of men.The privilege argument is one of the worst arguments that feminists claim, IMHO.Random Brother
>@ thevagrantsvoiceFYI,I have not disregarded the last post in which we interacted. I am rolling over some things out that you said.Random Brother
>No problem at all, sir. Take all the time you need, no pressure. As you know, I'm just a wanderer, so don't worry about responding to me quickly, I'm definitely in no position to make anyone hurry, hehe 🙂
>"Reality reflects something different."—ElizabethActually, I wish reality WAS different. And you obviously can't come up with anything because you 1) don't know what it is like for most men or 2) don't care.And as far as what I've gone through, you have no fucking clue.
>vagrant, for one thing men can without a shadow of a doubt feel safe in their own homes. Women, because of the fact that 2/3 of all women who are raped are raped by someone they know and because 4 out of 10 of those crimes occur in their home, women cannot feel safe. So, it begs the question where can women feel safe? The answer is nowhere because our society fails to recognize rape as a crime, as is evident by nick and richard who refuse to show any sympathy for ms. logan.
>Something about this privilege argument …As a woman I try not to let fear affect my life, and to live as freely as a man would. I am told by some that this is dangerous. Why? Because I'm a woman.If I go out by myself and nothing happens, I'm told it's totally dangerous and I get to hear all the awful things that could have happened to me. People are shocked that I wouldn't go out in a group or have a male escort. If I were to go out by myself and be assaulted (sexually or not), I would be told I should have gone out with a group or with a male escort. That it was somehow my fault I was assaulted because there was no posse or man with me. If I were to go out with an escort and be RAPED by my escort (women are most likely to be raped by someone close to them), I would be told it was my fault for being alone with a man and trusting him. And the fun REALLY starts, because then I have to prove I was raped. So I'll be dragged over the coals, called a liar, perhaps lose any mutual friends, and so on. My clothing will be called into question, people will ask, "Well, why were you alone with him? You know what men are like!" and I will be told I shouldn't have "put myself in that situation." All for doing what everyone would say I was "supposed to do." Please tell me where the privilege is in this. In so many cultures women are restricted in this way. Daughters are given strict curfews while sons are allowed to roam free all night long. And then we're called man-haters for pointing this stuff out.
>wytch, why is it that every single guy I know (that is a lot btw, I go to a science university where there is a 6 to 1 male to female ratio and the majority of my friends are guys) can read what you have written (and believe me they do, richard has become the butt of many many jokes at our dinner table) can disagree and say that what all of you say is just bullshit. Especially since the majority of them are far from being feminists.
>@ brigetbriget said: "The answer is nowhere because our society fails to recognize rape as a crime, as is evident by nick and richard who refuse to show any sympathy for ms. logan."This statement alone shows how hysterical and ill informed you are.1. 'our soceity fails to recognize rape as a crime'Really? Then why are there laws against rape? Why are some men put in prison for rape when our society doens't recognize rape as a crime? What are the rapist put in prison, in prison for if our society doesn't recognize rape as a crime there genius? You shouldn't drink before you post it's embarrassing.2. Whether I show enough or any empathy for Ms. Logan will have no effect on what occurred to her, do you understand that? If you were smart you'd focus on what can be done in the future to help make reporters safer instead of worrying about who joined in the chorus or outrage. Random Brother
>richard when 15 out of 16 rapists go free no our society doesn't treat rape as a crime
>@ brigetOne more thing, you posted this: "wytch, why is it that every single guy I know (that is a lot btw, I go to a science university where there is a 6 to 1 male to female ratio and the majority of my friends are guys) can read what you have written (and believe me they do, richard has become the butt of many many jokes at our dinner table) can disagree and say that what all of you say is just bullshit. Especially since the majority of them are far from being feminists."It's either one of three things1. The want to fuck you and they fear saying something that gets your legs to close (there is a 6 to 1 ratio and they'd likely put up with your bullshit for that reason) or2. They're extremely stupid. Or3. They're gay and thus feminists. Random Brother
>@ briget 15 out of 16 my ass. You have NO proof of that.None. You may have some link to a study by lying feminists but you have NO government study proving that. Quit lying.Random Brother
>RAINN takes their statistics from the DOJ aka the government btwhttp://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
>oh and they actually deal with male victims here is the link to that.http://rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/male-sexual-assaultstill want to call them lying feminists?
>okay richard let me break it down for you1. considering that I actually know that only 2 of them are not seeing someone (whether that mean that they are in a relationship, married, or having casual sex with someone), that I've dated and had sex with 4 of them, and the 2 who are not seeing someone right now are not interested I don't think that it's one2. As I said, I go to a science university, I'm a sophomore, most of them are juniors and seniors. These are not stupid people. Most of them actually work for the government doing computer security work. so it can't be that3. Well a couple of them are gay, but that doesn't automatically make you a feminist. You can be a gay man because of your hatred for women or because you think women are disgusting so being gay and being a feminist are not the same thing. hmmm or option 4you are lying and/or delusional
>@ brigetAnd this is why I read the Spearhead. Everything you posted as evidence is refuted here http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/10/19/rape-realism/The "rape" statistic they get, they get in part by conflating rape and sexual assault, including verbal sexual assault, ie some asshole yelling something like "Hey baby, how about some of this cock!" Which while disgusting ISN'T rape. It's a gross inflation of the numbers to push their agenda. So 15 out of 16 rapists DO NOT go free. Sorry.So now that you've got the truth feel free to stop lying.Random Brother
>Briget Said:"vagrant, for one thing men can without a shadow of a doubt feel safe in their own homes. Women, because of the fact that 2/3 of all women who are raped are raped by someone they know and because 4 out of 10 of those crimes occur in their home, women cannot feel safe. So, it begs the question where can women feel safe? The answer is nowhere because our society fails to recognize rape as a crime, as is evident by nick and richard who refuse to show any sympathy for ms. logan."So in other words, just because 2/3 of the minority of women who do get raped are raped in their home, that means all women are now validated to be misandrists and distrust the whole male population, even their close loved ones?This is an example how feminism is majorly a disorder on many feminists such as Briget. It brings this unjustified and discriminatory paranoia against men. Sure, keeping your guard up is one thing but the depths women like Briget go in is another. It's called misandry.If a man had the same level of paranoia and distrust towards women, he would be laughed at and deemed as a misogynistic social outcast.But feminists love their double standards and PRIVILEGEIf feminists stopped being shameless hypocrites, I would truly take them more seriously.
>okay hmm who am I going to believe when dealing with rape an MRA website which says that a reporter deserved to be raped for doing her job, or the DOJ who has a lot of interest in seeing that number be as small as possible. I think the answer is the DOJ.
>Nick, where has Briget indicated that she hates men?
>chocomintlipwax said"As a woman I try not to let fear affect my life, and to live as freely as a man would."Your fear is only your own fault, not the fault of the male population. If I dreaded in fear all the time about murderers or muggers and blamed everyone else for my extreme unjustified paranoia, I would be deemed as someone who may have paranoid schizophrenia."If I go out by myself and nothing happens, I'm told it's totally dangerous and I get to hear all the awful things that could have happened to me. People are shocked that I wouldn't go out in a group or have a male escort"This is an example how misandrist society is these days due to feminist indoctrination.A good examplehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZAuqkqxk9A"I would be told I should have gone out with a group or with a male escort. That it was somehow my fault I was assaulted because there was no posse or man with me.""If I were to go out with an escort and be RAPED by my escort (women are most likely to be raped by someone close to them), I would be told it was my fault for being alone with a man and trusting him"ROFL, I think you are talking out of your ass here. I have never ever heard such a such in my whole 30 years on this planet. I think you hang around and talk with feminists too much. You need to start mixing with normal people instead of these paranoid loons who have a disturbing distrust and discriminatory perception towards men."And the fun REALLY starts, because then I have to prove I was raped. So I'll be dragged over the coals, called a liar, perhaps lose any mutual friends, and so on.""Please tell me where the privilege is in this"You can you keep a straight face and tell me that men don't have it far worse in this same situation as for being taken far less serious than a woman who claims she's been raped?