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Lara Logan, shortly before the attack |
There has been an astounding amount of vile shit posted on the internet about the reported sexual assault and beating of CBS reporter Lara Logan in Cairo’s Tahir Square. I spent a depressing hour or so the other night looking through hundreds of comments on the Yahoo news message boards; it was a virtual festival of misogyny, racism, victim-blaming and simple nastiness. A sample (each quote is from a different comment):
don’t put some nice white pu55y near crazy @#$% arabs. it’s like goddamn king kong
Kinda’ like sending a woman reporter into a locker room? Don’t ask me to feel any kind of remorse for her. Equal rights demands equal responsibility
it started as a revolution and turned in a black spring break! mwaa ha ha
She loved every minute of it.
I could multiply examples ad infinitum; the last I checked there were more than 1500 comments on the one Yahoo news story I looked at, and most were of this sort. The only slightly encouraging sign? Most of these vile comments have more downvotes from readers than upvotes.
You expect this kind of behavior from the Yahoo message board crowd, which has never been very big on civility, or even basic human decency. Typical anonymous internet assholery.
Leave it to the readers of The Spearhead, though, to take commentary on this sad case to an even lower low. Yesterday, Spearhead head honcho W.F. Price published his own, predictably victim-blaming, take on the subject — essentially blaming feminists for encouraging women to report the news in the same dangerous places that male reporters go. (When Anderson Cooper was attacked, you didn’t hear anyone suggesting that men shouldn’t be covering the events in Cairo.)
I think that’s a supremely tasteless way to use this tragedy to push an antifeminist agenda. But the comments to his article, roughly 270 of them at last count, are far worse — rarely bothering with even a pro-forma expression of basic human sympathy, some blaming and even mocking the victim, and most using the case to crudely push an assortment of their own misogynist agendas. Here are some of the worst; I present them without comment, as they pretty much speak for themselves. I have edited some for space reasons; you can follow the links to read them in their entirety.
Alucin explained about how rape allegedly benefits its victims:
When I studied in university a woman claimed to have been gang-raped. After telling the story, she acquired a certain authority. She was at the top of the feminist hierarchy …. Her word was gold because of her rape.
It was never even verified if she had in fact been raped.
It’s a harsh thing to say, but the woman at university gained immensely from the rape, or her rape story-telling, with this increased stature. She probably wouldn’t have gotten into that very small degree program without the rape story to tell to the admissions committee.
At school, no one, especially a man, could ever challenge her about any subject, however remotely related to rape. …
Rape against men or women is a tragedy, but I also find it sickening how “survivors” or their “friends and supporters” often use their status for personal gain. … It’s the same thing when feminists politicize breast cancer.
Opus added:
I agree with Alcuin: In my experience women wear RAPE like a badge of honour or military medal (as I presume Ms Logan will now do). I, of course, never believe word of it, and I notice most guys these days are equally sceptical. There may be an increasing Rape epidemic but no one I know is a Rapist. Funny.
Confused declared that he didn’t give a shit:
No group on earth is more privileged that American/western women.
I won’t waste my time any more worrying about their safety, or lack thereof, due to their choices.
intp took it a step further:
Don’t believe her. Don’t care. I hope the Arab guys didn’t catch anything from her.
That is what the non-stop lie called feminism has done to me. Vive la nihilism.
Rebel offered this highly original take on rape:
I don’t see the point here..
According to feminist orthodoxy, humpteen gazillion women are raped every day. This one is the humpteen gazillionth plus one for that day.
Women are raped if you have sex with them, women are raped if you don’t have sex with them, women are raped even if there are no men around. …
Every time two animals are copulating, a woman feels raped. There are more rapes on earth than there are hydrogen molecules in the universe.
To women of today, rape seems to be the highest achievement, the Royal Road to Success.
I’m laughing so much I might get a hernia, my belly is aching from the laughter.
Papa Smurf suggested the reported rape was a great career move, and ended his comment with a smiley:
she’ll be a CBS news anchor in no time. great way to get promoted.
I dont know if she genuinely didnt want what just happend or maybe feminism has affectivly blinded her and rendered her stupid. Blonde western women in the arab world are like all you can eat restraunts to fat people. Just help yourselves 😉
Troll King posted a long rambling diatribe against “western women” in the Middle East, of which these remarks are only a small portion:
*yawn*
Typical feminist/western woman(as if there is a difference) acts like her typical bitchy self in a place that won’t tolerate it. ….
The fact is that women, western cunts, think they can go into a culture and act how they want and treat the poorest of the poor not just like “help” or a but like a slave that should be lashed for simply flirting. I bet these rapists look who do this probably thought she would act towards them the same way white women act towards brown and black men on western tv. Like he was a stud….
But, umm, like yeah dude. That is so hurrible I might go and cry a river.
The Contrarian Expatriate took victim-blaming to a new low:
Sounds like she got what she set herself up for. You can yell, “I am woman, hear me roar!” all you want in the Anglosphere, but step into the 3rd world behaving that way and they will pound you (no pun intended) back into your place.
Again, as is generally the case with the comments from The Spearhead that I quote here on my blog, these are not weird outliers in the discussion there. Unlike the comments from Yahoo I quoted above, all of the comments I quoted from The Spearhead got multiple upvotes from readers there, in most cases several dozen; none had more than a handful of downvotes. Alucin’s comment about the benefits of rape — a comment surprisingly similar in spirit to an infamous quote on false rape accusations from Catherine Comins, an assistant dean at Vassar, that still raises hackles from antifeminists two decades after it was uttered to a Time magazine writer — got more than 80 upvotes. There is more than a little irony here.
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>I want to know what the difference is between a guy going to a strip club and getting a lap dance or with watching porn and masturbating to it and a guy going to a performance art piece where a guy is masturbating on stage. Seriously because the only difference I see is that one was done to absorb art and the other was done to jerk off.
>I find it absolutely laughable how the feminists on here think there is nothing queer and ludicrous about people enjoying watching a man in a public play masturbating in front of everyone while getting milk poured on him.And it's equally laughable how the non-feminists on here automatically attach people's sentiments to what they are experiencing. The person who mentioned said play did not remark on whether he or anyone else in the audience enjoyed it, he just mentioned that he attended a performance art piece in which it occurred.The reasonable argument simply is that it's absolutely ludicrous.Actually, that's not a reasonable argument, it's just circular reasoning or begging the question.
>There are many many many feminists who are sarcastic towards male issues such as saying "what about teh menz". This is obvious misandry as it presents that male issues are not taken seriously and it's simply a joke.So I guess I can use the same argument as David and the rest of the feminuts in this blog and say that the whole feminist movement is misandrist and insane
>Towards what? What are you talking about you insane femiclown? Would that make Elizabeth and Sandy the Insane Femiclown Posse?
>No, Nick, as has been explained repeatedly, "what about teh menz" refers to the simplistic answer "but what about men?" presented to any issue effecting women. The phrase mocks the idea that pointing out that group X also has problems solves or diminishes group Y's problems.
>I think nick has proved my point about the performance art panic being rooted in plain old fashioned homophobia…"feminists on here think there is nothing queer and ludicrous about people enjoying watching a man in a public play masturbating in front of everyone while getting milk poured on him." You know, nick, I am not terrified by queer people and queer things. I am also queer myself, so your pathetic whinging fails to impress.
>" No, Nick, as has been explained repeatedly, "what about teh menz" refers to the simplistic answer "but what about men?" presented to any issue effecting women. The phrase mocks the idea that pointing out that group X also has problems solves or diminishes group Y's problems."That's what the likes of feminists such as David and others in here want people to think to cover up any wrong doing from feminists. But you can't speak for every feminist who uses this phrase. If you are claiming that you are speaking for every feminist, I find that laughable.I can bet my bottom dollar if MRAs started going around using the phrase "what about teh womenz", David and other feminists such as your self would not try to justify it with such excuses. The same type of justification you are using for feminists would never even cross your mind. The feminists would be crying out misogyny within a split second.It's entertaining to see feminists in here always making up excuses and justifications towards sexist women/feminists. It does truly look like that you people think that women are perfect princesses that can never do wrong.But when there is just a small tiny hint that a man COULD be a misogynist, you will all start screaming in your little soap boxes without any doubt crossing your mind what so ever.
>DarkSideCatYou feminists are not making any real argument. The fact is that it's ludicrous and the feminist defence is that it's okay to be ludicrous. ROFLI pretty much win this argument more than anything. But believe what you want in your little warped feminist world.This argument will just keep going around circles as you give me the same answer and I give the same answer to my opinion towards yours. Round and round we go
>I'm sickened by things that hurt me. Got it? –RichardI think this went unremarked, but really, folks should pay attention: Richard just announced that he is a sociopath. He's undeserving of any further consideration or engagement.
>@ briget @ darksidecatPerhaps comedian Bill Burr can help shed a little light on the subject for you ladieshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xs4WGEnlAkAlso I'll add another Bill Burr classic that refeers to the whole gay as a slur "issue." A bit overstated but some truth there.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LRcmg9mxRQRandom Brother
>That's what the likes of feminists such as David and others in here want people to think to cover up any wrong doing from feminists.btw, how's that tinfoil hat collection of yours coming along?But when there is just a small tiny hint that a man COULD be a misogynist, you will all start screaming in your little soap boxes without any doubt crossing your mind what so ever.Actually, I prefer to scream while standing ON my little soap box, y'know, "raven feminut" that I am.
>nick, what about teh menz is something that feminists use when men who have privilege coming out of their ears (white, cis, heterosexual, upper-middle class, able bodied, etc) come into our discussion and start screaming that since we are not constantly and only talking about issues that effect men we are doing it wrong. We don't use it when there are actual legitimate issues that effect men in a manner that is furthering the patriarchy too. The idea behind it is that we all agree that there are things in our society which hurt men, but when we are talking about something like ovarian cancer which only women and transgender men experience, it is not appropriate for cis men to start whining that we aren't talking about paid parental leave, there is a time and place for that conversation, a conversation which we have do have in feminist spaces, but when women are talking about the stigma of living with ovarian cancer and the fact that frequently we can't get the health services that we need because people reduce a woman's worth to her reproductive value, we don't want to hear that you would like to stay home with your baby but can't because your job won't let you. In fact for women who would have liked to be a mother one day and who just underwent a hysterectomy for her cancer, it's extremely rude and hurtful. Those silencing techniques happen all the time in feminist friendly spaces.
>@ SallySo I should be happy about things that hurt me? WTF?Random Brother
>"nick, what about teh menz is something that feminists use when men who have privilege coming out of their ears"Can you please give me a validated and logical argument how the middle class white male is privileged?I have never ever seen a feminist give a validated and logical argument to this question. I have asked this question to so many feminists but they always seem to give dumb answers.“We don't use it when there are actual legitimate issues that effect men in a manner that is furthering the patriarchy too. “Patriarchy in western societies 2011? ROFL What patriarchy? Please explain? Why are you idiots so friggen delusional? It never ceases to amaze me.Contemporary feminism in the western world is truly a cack session
>richard said"So I should be happy about things that hurt me? WTF?"Yes Richard, because we are supposedly privileged and all so our problems are not important. But try telling a feminist that this way of thinking is sexist is as hopeful as it is talking to a retard.
>Nick, calling something ludicrous is not, by itself, an argument either. It just means that you don't like it. Fair enough, but it doesn't mean you've done anything but express your particular preference on the matter. An argument might consist of, for example, arguing that such a performance is offensive to community morals and has no redeeming social or artistic value for the following reasons…etc. I still might not agree with that, but at least it would be an argument. What you've said (and I'll admit I haven't read everything you wrote on this subject) isn't so much an argument as a reaction. While you are certainly entitled to your own feelings on the matter, you haven't really proven anything except that you don't like it.
>@ Captain Bathrobe or any other feministPlease explain to me the "art" or redeeming social value in a play where some guy chokes his shit while milk is being poured on him.Random Brother
>@ nicko81mI wonder about the whole privilege thing also. By in large, no one gives a shit about men. If you end up a bum, fuck you, you're a failure. Hell this even counts for vets. What privilege do men have?Random Brother
>Also, CB, while you're at it: why do we need still-life pictures of bowls of fruit? Cezanne was always painting that shit. What's the point? When I want fruit, I go to the grocery store. And I can eat that shit too! You can't eat a Cezanne! Well, technically, you could but it would probably make you sick.
>RichardPrecisely.If a woman ends up being a bum, it's somehow the fault of evil men. Women can never be at fault in a feminist view. Only the inferior male gender can cause fault in this world
>@ Captain Bathrobe or any other feministPlease explain to me the "art" or redeeming social value in a play where some guy chokes his shit while milk is being poured on him.Random Brother Actually, I wouldn't know. There's quite a lot of art out there that I don't understand–line dancing for one. My point was that Nick didn't really have an argument so much as a visceral reaction to the concept. My reaction, for what it's worth, is that whole thing seems rather silly and self-indulgent on the part of the artist. The artistic point being made–beyond shocking the audience–is not at all obvious to me. Nevertheless, I'm willing to suspend judgment since 1) I've never actually seen such a performance, and the artistic impact might be different when one is actually present; and 2) I'm something of a Philistine, and if my tastes defined the outer boundary of what is acceptable in art then our society would probably be much the poorer for it. In short, I'm willing to concede that there may be more to it than I'm seeing at present, even though I frankly don't see much value in it from where I stand.
>By in large, no one gives a shit about men. If you end up a bum, fuck you, you're a failure.Although this attitude is real, I don't see how it's the fault of feminism. The idea that a man who fails economically has only himself to blame is concept that predates modern feminism. I think it's more the result of free-market capitalist ideology, not feminism.The idea that female homelessness can, in part, be attributable to domestic violence is the result of feminist research, however. What I don't see is feminists pushing the idea that homeless men have no one to blame but themselves. If anything, feminists tend to be supportive of social programs designed to ameliorate homelessness for both men and women.
>"My point was that Nick didn't really have an argument so much as a visceral reaction to the concept." What's the feminist argument? rrrr ummm it's NORMAL in a public play for a man to masturbate while having milk poured on him and it’s NORMAL for people to enjoy watching this in a public play.That's not an argument.But this shit fight will be never ending regardless how obvious the foolishness of the feminist stance is.I am certainly not going to waste any more of my time with this as it will just keep going around and round in circles.
>I'm not saying it's normal, Nick, only that I'm not willing to dismiss it out of hand simply because I don't understand it. Being "normal" and having artistic value are two different concepts.
>Will someone please explain to me why we are arguing about the merits of performance art?This is a fantastic example of how fanatics frame all their opinions through their fanatic lens."I hate performance art! Because men's rights!"