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Lara Logan, shortly before the attack |
There has been an astounding amount of vile shit posted on the internet about the reported sexual assault and beating of CBS reporter Lara Logan in Cairo’s Tahir Square. I spent a depressing hour or so the other night looking through hundreds of comments on the Yahoo news message boards; it was a virtual festival of misogyny, racism, victim-blaming and simple nastiness. A sample (each quote is from a different comment):
don’t put some nice white pu55y near crazy @#$% arabs. it’s like goddamn king kong
Kinda’ like sending a woman reporter into a locker room? Don’t ask me to feel any kind of remorse for her. Equal rights demands equal responsibility
it started as a revolution and turned in a black spring break! mwaa ha ha
She loved every minute of it.
I could multiply examples ad infinitum; the last I checked there were more than 1500 comments on the one Yahoo news story I looked at, and most were of this sort. The only slightly encouraging sign? Most of these vile comments have more downvotes from readers than upvotes.
You expect this kind of behavior from the Yahoo message board crowd, which has never been very big on civility, or even basic human decency. Typical anonymous internet assholery.
Leave it to the readers of The Spearhead, though, to take commentary on this sad case to an even lower low. Yesterday, Spearhead head honcho W.F. Price published his own, predictably victim-blaming, take on the subject — essentially blaming feminists for encouraging women to report the news in the same dangerous places that male reporters go. (When Anderson Cooper was attacked, you didn’t hear anyone suggesting that men shouldn’t be covering the events in Cairo.)
I think that’s a supremely tasteless way to use this tragedy to push an antifeminist agenda. But the comments to his article, roughly 270 of them at last count, are far worse — rarely bothering with even a pro-forma expression of basic human sympathy, some blaming and even mocking the victim, and most using the case to crudely push an assortment of their own misogynist agendas. Here are some of the worst; I present them without comment, as they pretty much speak for themselves. I have edited some for space reasons; you can follow the links to read them in their entirety.
Alucin explained about how rape allegedly benefits its victims:
When I studied in university a woman claimed to have been gang-raped. After telling the story, she acquired a certain authority. She was at the top of the feminist hierarchy …. Her word was gold because of her rape.
It was never even verified if she had in fact been raped.
It’s a harsh thing to say, but the woman at university gained immensely from the rape, or her rape story-telling, with this increased stature. She probably wouldn’t have gotten into that very small degree program without the rape story to tell to the admissions committee.
At school, no one, especially a man, could ever challenge her about any subject, however remotely related to rape. …
Rape against men or women is a tragedy, but I also find it sickening how “survivors” or their “friends and supporters” often use their status for personal gain. … It’s the same thing when feminists politicize breast cancer.
Opus added:
I agree with Alcuin: In my experience women wear RAPE like a badge of honour or military medal (as I presume Ms Logan will now do). I, of course, never believe word of it, and I notice most guys these days are equally sceptical. There may be an increasing Rape epidemic but no one I know is a Rapist. Funny.
Confused declared that he didn’t give a shit:
No group on earth is more privileged that American/western women.
I won’t waste my time any more worrying about their safety, or lack thereof, due to their choices.
intp took it a step further:
Don’t believe her. Don’t care. I hope the Arab guys didn’t catch anything from her.
That is what the non-stop lie called feminism has done to me. Vive la nihilism.
Rebel offered this highly original take on rape:
I don’t see the point here..
According to feminist orthodoxy, humpteen gazillion women are raped every day. This one is the humpteen gazillionth plus one for that day.
Women are raped if you have sex with them, women are raped if you don’t have sex with them, women are raped even if there are no men around. …
Every time two animals are copulating, a woman feels raped. There are more rapes on earth than there are hydrogen molecules in the universe.
To women of today, rape seems to be the highest achievement, the Royal Road to Success.
I’m laughing so much I might get a hernia, my belly is aching from the laughter.
Papa Smurf suggested the reported rape was a great career move, and ended his comment with a smiley:
she’ll be a CBS news anchor in no time. great way to get promoted.
I dont know if she genuinely didnt want what just happend or maybe feminism has affectivly blinded her and rendered her stupid. Blonde western women in the arab world are like all you can eat restraunts to fat people. Just help yourselves 😉
Troll King posted a long rambling diatribe against “western women” in the Middle East, of which these remarks are only a small portion:
*yawn*
Typical feminist/western woman(as if there is a difference) acts like her typical bitchy self in a place that won’t tolerate it. ….
The fact is that women, western cunts, think they can go into a culture and act how they want and treat the poorest of the poor not just like “help” or a but like a slave that should be lashed for simply flirting. I bet these rapists look who do this probably thought she would act towards them the same way white women act towards brown and black men on western tv. Like he was a stud….
But, umm, like yeah dude. That is so hurrible I might go and cry a river.
The Contrarian Expatriate took victim-blaming to a new low:
Sounds like she got what she set herself up for. You can yell, “I am woman, hear me roar!” all you want in the Anglosphere, but step into the 3rd world behaving that way and they will pound you (no pun intended) back into your place.
Again, as is generally the case with the comments from The Spearhead that I quote here on my blog, these are not weird outliers in the discussion there. Unlike the comments from Yahoo I quoted above, all of the comments I quoted from The Spearhead got multiple upvotes from readers there, in most cases several dozen; none had more than a handful of downvotes. Alucin’s comment about the benefits of rape — a comment surprisingly similar in spirit to an infamous quote on false rape accusations from Catherine Comins, an assistant dean at Vassar, that still raises hackles from antifeminists two decades after it was uttered to a Time magazine writer — got more than 80 upvotes. There is more than a little irony here.
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>@ shaenonshaenon said: "Yeah, Richard, the thing is, this hate and oppression you keep railing against isn't real. It's made up. Nobody hates you. Nobody is oppressing you."How do you know if I am being oppressed or not? Do you know my personal circumstances? Do you know what I have been through? If you know none of this you cannot honestly claim to know whether I've been oppressed or not.shaenon: "Lara Logan was raped. That's a real thing that happened to a real person who exists outside of Internet message boards."So, again the standard is rape? MRA's only can complain if they were raped?shaenon: "You've gotten yourself into a place where you refuse to feel empathy for a woman who was gang-raped, because she's a woman and Women Are The Enemy."Actually feminists are my enemy. shaenon: "Not only do you not feel sorry for her, you just twist it into yet another opportunity to feel sorry for yourself for who-the-hell-knows-what. That is not a good place to be. You need to get out of that place."I didn't get myself into any place. My life experiences brought me here and I think, to the best of my ability, that my conclusions about life are correct. Hell, I could be completely wrong, ten, twenty years from now, I may see the world differently, but right now I see men being screwed over and I see no reason to pretend that a group that does me harm is my friend.Random Brother
>It's funny about Kave. I've been to plenty of plays and odd spots but I've never "accidentally" found myself watching some freak choke his chicken and get milk poured on himself. Odd how "accidents" like that happen, eh?But that doesn't mean that the next performance art rendition of Puss in Boots or The Three Billy Goats Gruff that you attend won't have an "accident" like that happen.
>@ Sandy1. Sandy, you state that you care about issues that affect men, would you care to share a few, if you don't mind.2. As far as the presumption of innocence goes. http://www.avoiceformen.com/2010/12/14/jessica-valenti-calls-for-end-to-presumption-of-innocence-due-process/Random Brother
>@ PamBetter "Puss in Boots" than "The Milk Man In Hand." :)Random Brother
>But since you don't know what the performance art is going to be prior to purchasing the ticket, even you might end up in the audience for "Hand Milking Puss Man in Boots"And lookit that, I got a little smile outta you!!
>"My god, boys! The outrage over a little public sexual performance! Have you never been to a strip club?"Yeah, and no dude was there bathing in milk and playing with his schlong, thank god.Random Brother
>No one has yet given me a good, reasonable argument as to what's wrong with that kind of performance. Surely, if the answer is so obvious, it shouldn't be that hard to explain it so my tiny, inferior ladybrain can understand it?
>@ Pam. . .And now I've sworn off performance art forever.Random BrotherBTW – Don't be dissing the billy goats.
>@ Richard- That's not me. I am not against the presumption of innocence.Issues that I care about:-Equal involvement of father's in child care.-Children's rights (including the right to be adjudicated in juvenile court, the right to proper medical care, the right to care and support, and the right to parental contact where it is in their best interests)-Equal access to domestic violence services-More men then women commit suicide. This is a problem.-Men are both more likely to commit and more likely to be victims of violent crimes. This is a problem (since I do not believe there is anything inherently violent about being male). -I am for men being able to express or not express masculine or feminine traits without ridicule or social consequences.As far as what I do about this, I work with male (and female) dv victims as well as falsely accuse male (and female) parents. I'm active in legislation reform which is when I first became frustrated with MRAs, many come to the table ill informed as to the current status of the law which only trips us up.
>(Also, why don't you tell us what issues that impact women you care about.)
>. . .And now I've sworn off performance art forever.What a drastic manoeuvre!! [reminds self not to mention that Santa Claus is a fictional character]BTW – Don't be dissing the billy goatsWho ME??? NEVER!!!!
>@Sandy,Not asking this question because I don't believe you, as I DO believe you, but am just interested in hearing (if possible) an example or two of how some MRAs come to the table ill informed as to the current status of the law and how that trips you (and the others involved) up in in your legislative reform efforts. I have my own thoughts, primarily based on reading MRA material online and a couple of books, as to how beliefs or opinions that they hold dear to actually end up not working in their favour, but wouldn't mind hearing some concrete examples of this, if that's possible for you to provide without breaking any privacy, confidentiality, or classified information laws.
>God, people are disgusting. Sometimes I feel like there's no hope for humans.
>@ Pam, they want to ask for things we already have. When I or other point out that that is already in the law, they complain that the law is not being enforced by the court's. Whether or not that's true, asking that it be added AGAIN obviously isn't going to help. Eventually we get frustrated with each other, they splinter off and propose their own legislation, legislature points out that we already have most of this stuff.
>So your response Nick is: I have no idea how to respond so I am going to have hysterics.Awww, would widdle Nicky wike a cookie? (yes, I am stating you are acting childish.)
>Elizabeth, let's not disparage children. It's possible given Nick's reasoning ability and limited world view that he is a child.
>"So your response Nick is: I have no idea how to respond so I am going to have hysterics."Towards what? What are you talking about you insane femiclown?
>Towards what? What are you talking about you insane femiclown?Exactly.
>Thanks, Sandy, for your response to my query. I was thinking that the manner in which they may have been tripping up the efforts for legislative reform was a little different than what you have described (was thinking of the dichotomous, zero-sum mentality that I've often seen displayed), and I appreciate your time in explaining, in a nutshell, what the actual problem is.
>No one has yet given me a good, reasonable argument as to what's wrong with that kind of performance.Unfortunately, you probably won't receive what you've requested, as they're not interested in debating the merits or faults of that kind of performance, just in using it as a stick for poking Kave.
>@ Sandy1. I am pro abortion. Not late term, though. I would not like to see abortion threatened as I think it is a government overstep into an area they cannot and should not possibly get involved.2. I am anti rape, and by rape I mean the traditional meaning of rape, not a couple of drunk people having sex, and then one having regrets. And before some other poster calls foul on this one, I focus primarily on American laws, I'm not for running to other countries and making them have similar laws and or culture. Rape is a horrible thing and the U.S. government should work hard to lessen the amount of rapes. 3. I do have a soft spot if you will for the concept of body image esp, the whole she's too fat in regards to celebrities. (Though, honestly, I'm not above using it in an argument).Random Brother4.
>Unfortunately, you probably won't receive what you've requested, as they're not interested in debating the merits or faults of that kind of performance, just in using it as a stick for poking Kave.I know, this is my stick for poking back. I get irritated when people try to argue by saying, 'You like weird shit, so what you say doesn't count.'
>I find it absolutely laughable how the feminists on here think there is nothing queer and ludicrous about people enjoying watching a man in a public play masturbating in front of everyone while getting milk poured on him.The reasonable argument simply is that it's absolutely ludicrous. It's like me saying that it's okay to start masturbating over animals in a zoo and/or it's okay for me to enjoy watching other people masturbate over animals in a zoo. And if you simply say it's ludicrous as it truly is, it's not a validated argument ROFL What I see here is feminists sticking up for each other. If this was in the position of an MRA, feminists would be singing a whole different tune
>Y'know Richard, and I say this with all sincerity, I do not doubt for a moment that beneath that facade of bravado that you amply display for us, you actually have a very big heart.
>And regarding the OP as every OP in this blog, of course there are lunatic men around who will simply say offensive things toward such a situation either in most cases just be a shock jock or some actually mean it.The same old laughable tune in this blog is that if some MRA's express misogyny, it means the whole movement is misogynist. But if anyone was to say that just because plenty of feminists are misandrist it means the whole movement is misandrist, it would be ludicrous in their view even that they are being shameless hypocrites