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>Taking victim-blaming to new lows: The Spearhead on Lara Logan

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Lara Logan, shortly before the attack

There has been an astounding amount of vile shit posted on the internet about the reported sexual assault and beating of CBS reporter Lara Logan in Cairo’s Tahir Square. I spent a depressing hour or so the other night looking through hundreds of comments on the Yahoo news message boards; it was a virtual festival of misogyny, racism, victim-blaming and simple nastiness. A sample (each quote is from a different comment):

don’t put some nice white pu55y near crazy @#$% arabs. it’s like goddamn king kong

Kinda’ like sending a woman reporter into a locker room? Don’t ask me to feel any kind of remorse for her. Equal rights demands equal responsibility

it started as a revolution and turned in a black spring break! mwaa ha ha

She loved every minute of it.

I could multiply examples ad infinitum; the last I checked there were more than 1500 comments on the one Yahoo news story I looked at, and most were of this sort. The only slightly encouraging sign? Most of these vile comments have more downvotes from readers than upvotes.

You expect this kind of behavior from the Yahoo message board crowd, which has never been very big on civility, or even basic human decency. Typical anonymous internet assholery.

Leave it to the readers of The Spearhead, though, to take commentary on this sad case to an even lower low. Yesterday, Spearhead head honcho W.F. Price published his own, predictably victim-blaming, take on the subject — essentially blaming feminists for encouraging women to report the news in the same dangerous places that male reporters go. (When Anderson Cooper was attacked, you didn’t hear anyone suggesting that men shouldn’t be covering the events in Cairo.)

I think that’s a supremely tasteless way to use this tragedy to push an antifeminist agenda. But the comments to his article, roughly 270 of them at last count, are far worse — rarely bothering with even a pro-forma expression of basic human sympathy, some blaming and even mocking the victim, and most using the case to crudely push an assortment of their own misogynist agendas.  Here are some of the worst; I present them without comment, as they pretty much speak for themselves. I have edited some for space reasons; you can follow the links to read them in their entirety.

Alucin explained about how rape allegedly benefits its victims:

When I studied in university a woman claimed to have been gang-raped. After telling the story, she acquired a certain authority. She was at the top of the feminist hierarchy …. Her word was gold because of her rape.

It was never even verified if she had in fact been raped.

It’s a harsh thing to say, but the woman at university gained immensely from the rape, or her rape story-telling, with this increased stature. She probably wouldn’t have gotten into that very small degree program without the rape story to tell to the admissions committee.

At school, no one, especially a man, could ever challenge her about any subject, however remotely related to rape. …

Rape against men or women is a tragedy, but I also find it sickening how “survivors” or their “friends and supporters” often use their status for personal gain. … It’s the same thing when feminists politicize breast cancer. 

Opus added:

I agree with Alcuin: In my experience women wear RAPE like a badge of honour or military medal (as I presume Ms Logan will now do). I, of course, never believe word of it, and I notice most guys these days are equally sceptical. There may be an increasing Rape epidemic but no one I know is a Rapist. Funny.

Confused declared that he didn’t give a shit:

No group on earth is more privileged that American/western women.
I won’t waste my time any more worrying about their safety, or lack thereof, due to their choices.

intp took it a step further:

Don’t believe her. Don’t care. I hope the Arab guys didn’t catch anything from her.

That is what the non-stop lie called feminism has done to me. Vive la nihilism.

Rebel offered this highly original take on rape:

I don’t see the point here..

According to feminist orthodoxy, humpteen gazillion women are raped every day. This one is the humpteen gazillionth plus one for that day.

Women are raped if you have sex with them, women are raped if you don’t have sex with them, women are raped even if there are no men around. …

Every time two animals are copulating, a woman feels raped. There are more rapes on earth than there are hydrogen molecules in the universe.

To women of today, rape seems to be the highest achievement, the Royal Road to Success.

I’m laughing so much I might get a hernia, my belly is aching from the laughter.

Papa Smurf suggested the reported rape was a great career move, and ended his comment with a smiley:

she’ll be a CBS news anchor in no time. great way to get promoted.

I dont know if she genuinely didnt want what just happend or maybe feminism has affectivly blinded her and rendered her stupid. Blonde western women in the arab world are like all you can eat restraunts to fat people. Just help yourselves 😉

Troll King posted a long rambling diatribe against “western women” in the Middle East, of which these remarks are only a small portion:

*yawn*

Typical feminist/western woman(as if there is a difference) acts like her typical bitchy self in a place that won’t tolerate it. ….

The fact is that women, western cunts, think they can go into a culture and act how they want and treat the poorest of the poor not just like “help” or a but like a slave that should be lashed for simply flirting. I bet these rapists look who do this probably thought she would act towards them the same way white women act towards brown and black men on western tv. Like he was a stud….

But, umm, like yeah dude. That is so hurrible I might go and cry a river.

The Contrarian Expatriate took victim-blaming to a new low:

Sounds like she got what she set herself up for. You can yell, “I am woman, hear me roar!” all you want in the Anglosphere, but step into the 3rd world behaving that way and they will pound you (no pun intended) back into your place.

Again, as is generally the case with the comments from The Spearhead that I quote here on my blog, these are not weird outliers in the discussion there. Unlike the comments from Yahoo I quoted above, all of the comments I quoted from The Spearhead got multiple upvotes from readers there, in most cases several dozen; none had more than a handful of downvotes. Alucin’s comment about the benefits of rape — a comment surprisingly similar in spirit to an infamous quote on false rape accusations from Catherine Comins, an assistant dean at Vassar, that still raises hackles from antifeminists two decades after it was uttered to a Time magazine writer —  got more than 80 upvotes. There is more than a little irony here.

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booboonation
13 years ago

>ONCE AGAIN here's misandry from MEN- teaching me, "oh well men will be rapists, you shouldn't go there". Thanks spearhead for confirming for me what world wide study of rape already shows, MEN RAPE and need culture to reign them in, or they WON'T. They will violate people in the most base way. Where were all the women rapists at this gathering? No, spearhead, you are right, not ALL men rape, but gee culture and public events and political unrest sure have a lot to do with it. That's SO INTERESTING. Democracy now covered a gender aspect of the protests, and a woman said that women were right along with the men doing everything, even sleeping outside. I kept a clip of that if anyone would like to see it. But here, the grim reality creeps in. Even in that same DN report one of the female reporters reported afterward not being safe, and Amy Goodman was frantically warning her friend to stay safe. I say this because this story really really disturbs me. I'm not racist, and I don't have a middle East phobia or Muslim, Islamaphobia at all. I do, however realize what's plain to see and that is that women over there are treated exactly the way MRAs see them, in spades. The men on the Spearhead believe the same way the Taliban does. In some of David's tags he puts, "men who should not be around women, ever" and that's not an exaggeration.

theclementine
13 years ago

>Sometimes people on the internet make me feel physically sick. Most of these people are MRAs.

DarkSideCat
13 years ago

>I love how troll king goes right from faux anti-imperialism into a racist screed about white women having too much sex with black dudes.

shaenon
13 years ago

>Okay, I give up. MRA/MGTOW guys, what the hell are you all so angry about? I am completely stumped. I've now seen posts from you guys celebrating women (not particular women, just Women in general) getting raped, getting murdered, getting beaten up, getting cancer, and passing out drunk in alleys.And I have no idea why. Seriously. No damn idea.In the "Evil Feminist Quotes" thread, David mentioned that one of the quotes was actually a line of dialogue from a fictional character in a novel, which the author wrote in part to work through her grief after her daughter was raped and then treated like shit by the legal system when she tried to seek justice. One of the regular commentators from the misogyny boards immediately responded with outrage that David could have sympathy for the writer's pain and not the equal pain he and his fellow MGTOWs had suffered.What pain?As far as I can tell from your endless whines, the horrible, unbearable, unjust suffering inflicted on MGTOWs boils down to:1. I don't get as many dates from girls as I'd like.2. When I do go on dates, I feel pressure to pick up the check.3. Women often have things to do other than wait on me hand and foot.This, according to you guys, is at least as painful as helping your child recover from rape.That's just dumb. You have nothing to be angry about. Quit being angry. Go live and love and stop obsessing over what the world owes you. Life's too short, you know?

richard
13 years ago

>@ ShaenonYou're an idiot. If you honestly want to know what MRA's are upset about (which you don't) you start with the courts and the laws. The unfair divorce laws would be a start. The fact that you don't know even this suggests you should never speak on what MRA'S are upset about.Random Brother

thevagrantsvoice
13 years ago

>Richard, I think divorce laws, the draft, sexual abuse of men, and all that stuff is not going to change much by cheering on the mistreatment of women. Despite how you guys valorize folks like Sodini and Lepine, and despite how you guys (as demonstrated above) cheer on incidents of rape like this, these incidents are not making your life any easier. Indeed, in many ways, they set your cause back. Every guy like Sodini or mob like the one in Egypt means another excuse to call men violent and be more suspicious of them and all that. The worse things get for women, the harder your enemies, if you view them as such, are going to drive the boot into your back. Laughing about some newslady getting raped is not going to make the courts change unfair divorce laws, nor will it convince them that most men aren't rapists.

booboonation
13 years ago

>richard, YOU are an idiot. denounce this sexism and this line of reasoning that women should not be working and men are obviously going to rape women in this circumstance. This has NADA to do with your persecution complex. If you are not sickened by rape and sickened by these comments and able to play this personal persecution game again to deflect responsibility, you are an idiot. You need to stop with your name calling or you are fair game. Any man that talks the way you just have in the face of a gang rape and the justification of that and vilification of the REAL victim, you are a nut job, and frankly I think the FBI needs to watch you. FBI doesn't need to watch Dworkin. You on the other hand, need a file. Now if you don't want me talking to you like that, then stop calling people idiots. Denounce this shit Richard, stop with your nonsense persecution complex, it's going to be self fulfilling prophecy.

Kave
13 years ago

>I don't believe RIchard reads Davids actual posts. I believe he simply goes right into the threads and posts the same crap over and over again.How about this Richard (and his buddies in hate) comment on the actual post. I'd love to for once to hear your thoughts on the those comments from the spearhead. My own comment. Over and over again I have heard that men protect women (from whom I wonder), that rape is rare, that women do not need to fear rape. Here is a perfect example of the mra's saying exactly the opposite: what can a woman expect in a middle eastern country. She was a reporter doing a job with major risks involved. Ahmed Mohammed Mahmoud, another reporter died during the uprising, did he deserve to be killed because he put himself in that position? (cue the mra's saying that we're not hearing about him)I have, probably because I don't get my news from Fox news.

Nymeria
13 years ago

>I would personally LOVE if the MRAs that post here would actually post about the content David writes. They never do. Sometimes I think they just read the headline and post the most vague thing they can think of.MRAs that go here: what is your reaction to this? The comments these people on popular MRA sites are posting. Do you agree with them? Do you deplore them? Because as much as you say it's the feminists who are "man haters" (yet you never offer any substantial proof. You either post things some feminists said 30 years ago, or you go off into a vague rant about divorce laws) isn't it fair and objective to say that most MRA websites and the users who browse them are lady hating? I want you to read the comments David has posted here and then say with a straight face that this is not flat out misogyny. You cannot say you love or respect women if you cheer rapes.

wytchfinde555
13 years ago

>"No group on earth is more privileged that American/western women.I won’t waste my time any more worrying about their safety, or lack thereof, due to their choices."—ConfusedWhat Confused is expressing is a culture that is inherently misandrist. That's what decades of telling men they are second class citizens (or even worse) happens—some just stop caring when others . . . yes, even women, get hurt or assualted.I honestly don't know why you people can't come to grips with that, but alas . . .My take, as far as *real* rape is concerned, is that neither men or women deserve to be sexually and violently attacked like that against their will.I also acknowledge there is a certain amount of bravery in what certain reporters do. However . . .I'll give an example here. I've practiced a few set marital arts over the years and even instructors have acknowledged I'm a pretty good fighter. If I routinely go into shady areas in a neighborhood, it doesn't mean I deserved to get assualted even if I know how to defend myself. However, it would be wise to avoid those dark alleys or hot spots when possible.Logan is an attractive, white, Western woman. She shouldn't have to worry about violence nor does she deserve it, but in the context of Cairo, she's in the center of the maelstrom and she sticks out like a sore thumb. You may be outraged as much as you want, but if any of you are surprised by what happened, well, you shouldn't. I wonder if a male journalist actually killed in the situation would garner the same coverage.

wytchfinde555
13 years ago

>"That's just dumb. You have nothing to be angry about. Quit being angry. Go live and love and stop obsessing over what the world owes you. Life's too short, you know?"—Shaenon Just like Ahmed Mohammed Mahmoud's life was "shortened?"

Kave
13 years ago

>wytchGiven that Ahmed Mohammed Mahmoud was killed does it not ring true that male reporters should not be in hot spots as well? (Chances of you knowing about him if I hadn't spoken of him are nill as he is not an American)I've read the entire thread and your comments, both seem to say that she should have known better then to be there in the first place, hence she deserved what she got.I have a different take on this. Reporters whether male or female take on inherit risks when they go into war zones. They choose their jobs and the risks it entails. The problem with the posts on the spearhead is the celebration of her sexual assault (she asked for it, even she enjoyed it). Please link to a feminist site (any site?), which states that Mahmoud set himself up to be killed. From the spearhead:“Sounds like she got what she set herself up for. You can yell, “I am woman, hear me roar!” all you want in the Anglosphere, but step into the 3rd world behaving that way and they will pound you (no pun intended) back into your place”Is that an o.k statement in your eyes?

wytchfinde555
13 years ago

>@ KaveTroll.

Aydan
13 years ago

>Those comments are repugnant.I hope Ms. Logan finds some peace and healing in the days ahead.

Kave
13 years ago

>wytchYou don't have a rebuttal? You have chosen to post on a blog that does not give you a thumbs up for dismissing a statement that you are uncomfortable answering. You have chosen to do so, no one forced you into it did they?Can you try again without using a tired old juvenile response? Just to help you the word troll as I know it is someone who goes onto a public forum on the internet with opposing views from the original stance of the blog or forum just to comment the opposite. This blog is anti mra.. just to help you out with that.

carswell
13 years ago

>:::When Anderson Cooper was attacked, you didn't hear anyone suggesting that men shouldn't be covering the events in Cairo.:::Thank you David.

Kave
13 years ago

>wytch says:"What Confused is expressing is a culture that is inherently misandrist. That's what decades of telling men they are second class citizens (or even worse) happens—some just stop caring when others . . . yes, even women, get hurt or assualted."Why is it the vast majority of men do not feel they are second class citizens? I'm not a second class citizen, and I do not know any men in the real world except for my brother (who clearly does not live in the real world) that feel they are.Your point is all about FEELINGS> a small fringe groups feelings. Quite funny when mra's comment all the time about women being too emotional. Perhaps YOU are too emotional?Just something to think about… before you go back to your juvenile statements. Have you ever heard of the word creditability?

Sandy
13 years ago

>Hahaha, Wytch is so lost in crazy land that reasonable statements look like troll statements.

triplanetary
13 years ago

>these incidents are not making your life any easier.Of course, because after a woman gets raped my first thought is, "Oh dear, I feel so bad for the men's rights movement. This isn't going to make their lives any easier."As a side note, vagrant, your "voice of moderation" slash "devil's advocate" shtick isn't fooling anyone. That kind of troll behavior is as old as the internet.

dorksfordean
13 years ago

>Wytch-based on the posts here and some of the posts in the MRA sites, your "proof" of men being second class citizens is this:Divorce laws appear to favor women.Child custody disputes appear to favor women.Men have to sometimes pay for dinners on dates.A few men are in charge of things that do not focus laser like on male rights/issues. It is hard to effect change as a male organizer for things like abuse shelters.Men are mocked on TV.That is it. How on earth is that second class citizenship?

Sandy
13 years ago

>Triplanatary, I know this is hard to believe but there are people who think differently than you and are going to see facts and the world from a different lens. You may think it's the wrong lens and there is nothing wrong with judging other people's lenses. We don't want to turn into a "there is no truth" navel gazing party.But that does not make all these people trolls. Vagrantsvoice's lens may seem tinted and bent to you, but there is nothing in his discussion to suggest he is a troll. Accusing such people of trolldom does nothing to further discussion.

triplanetary
13 years ago

>I don't need a lecture about different points of view. I just suffered through a whole 200-comment thread filled with his trolling. JAQing off is extremely typical misogynist troll behavior. I'm not going to give it a pass.

Kave
13 years ago

>Trip.Vagrant isn't the bad mra guy. Please don't act like them.

Sandy
13 years ago

>Trip, dismissing a respectful critique as a "lecture" does not help either.

Kave
13 years ago

>Could moderates actually have a voice on the internet? Gosh I hope so.

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