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I guess it shouldn’t really be surprising how widespread the Atlas Shrugged fantasy is in the weird world of the mansophere. The fantasy, that is, that if the truly important people in society get fed up and simply stop working, the whole society will collapse in a heap. There are two things that are inherently funny when Men Going Their Own Way start spouting off on this particular subject. One, of course, is the fact that this fantasy was originally articulated by an, er, woman — a small, stern, Russian-born intellectual dominatrix and husband-cuckolder who went by the made-up name of Ayn Rand. Two, is the fact that the MGTOWs honestly think that they are the world’s Atlases rather than a bunch of insignificant internet whiners.
Still, the would-be Atlases of the manosphere do sometimes manage to fluff up this tired old fantasy with some inventive new ideas of their own. Consider the recent advice given by dad_savage on the Antimisandry.com message boards. dad starts out with a fairly standard-issue articulation of the MGTOW Shrugs fantasy:
The Government calculates tax on a basis of expecting men to earn many times more than they need to simply live. Men only do this if there are incentives; the no.1 incentives are women and community respect; Feminism will take these away, and men will stop working hard to obtain them. Feminism, indeed all liberalism, will be starved of the revenue it must have. Women will no longer be subsidized to live fairy-tail lives benefiting from male largess whether directly through husbands, sugar daddies, Johns or indirectly through the state-as-husband. Women are financially, physically and emotionally dependant on men so all we need to do is cut them off.
Fairy-tail? I’m pretty sure fairies have wings, not tails. In any case, dad_savage contends that the jig will be up for the ladies sometimes in the next ten years. He hopes to speed up the process a little bit by offering some specific “tips for living a fun life and fighting feminism in the most effective way possible.” Here they are:
Get a Public Sector job, or do ‘Women’s Work’ – Try working as a Garbage Man, Mail Man, or some other Council or State position. … most Government employees are women so you’ll have a lot of chance to practise game, and antagonize them by refusing to be a mangina. … Working in the public sector or in a female-dominated industry ensures that your not feeding the beast, but in reality sucking its blood, and will benefit from sexist policies and tax-funnelling subsidies designed to improve the lot of the workers in these female-dominated areas.
Be Rich, Scrape By or Play Robin Hood – Either earn just enough money to enjoy the lifestyle you desire (and think about what it is you really need!) or be a somebody so that you can use clever accounting to maximize the amount of tax you dodge. …
He’s got some odder ideas as well:
Use cunning and intelligence to discern those forces truly destructive to feminism, and aid them. Islamic organizations for example do untold damage to feminist aspirations, Sharia courts in the UK are for example rebalancing some divorce-based iniquity, and Muslims can hide behind accusations of racism just as effectively as feminist’s can behind sexism.
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| MGTOW patron saint? |
And when you tire of demonstrating for the imposition of Sharia law, buy some porn and hire a hooker:
A thing need not be ‘activism based,’ to have an activist effect; pornography, prostitution and other forms of sexual proxy are powerful kinds of activism available to men as they make going your own way more accessible especially to young libidinous men.
This next big of advice is a tad, well, convoluted, but seems rock-solid otherwise:
Tell The Truth, And Let Reason Guide – An example, you let a woman off the train before you holding the door for her, and she doesn’t thank you. Annoyed you stomp past her, and exiting the station you’re looked over by a rough looking youth with an air of being up to no good, but he leaves you alone. You’re sure he’s a mugger, and will probably go after the woman who is coming along behind you. Now let’s say you chose to help, would you do it for the opportunity to redress her for her rudeness earlier? ‘You didn’t even thank me for holding the door open, but had I not been that kind of man I wouldn’t have come back to help, can you not understand why you should appreciate such sentiment?’ seems fair to me. On the flipside you could chose not to help (the choice is of course your own once you’ve weighed the pros and cons in a way that seems wise to you) or you could help if you like on the basis that she’s attractive, and demand her phone number as payment (I see nothing wrong with this) the point is don’t help just because.
So to sum up:
1) Get a job at the DMV or somewhere else in the public sector, and pester the women who are working there.
2) Either earn nothing or become a rich tax dodger.
3) Support Sharia law
4) Buy porn and hire hookers
5) If a woman is rude to you when you’re getting off a train, and then she gets mugged, rescue her just so you can tell her off afterwards, or maybe get her number. Or don’t rescue her.
I don’t know about you, but to me this sounds like a foolproof plan.
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>shaenon, I guess you and I will never understand the higher mental processes of the Atlases of this world.
>It's like trying to explain how to launch a satellite into translunar orbit to a guy who thinks the earth is flat.It's only February and we already have a candidate for best analogy of the year. Nice.
>@ jupiter9If there is no money for enforcement? I'd say a lot less. Especially for those men paying for kids that aren't biologically their own.Random Brother
>@ DavidI had a long post that I got from N.O.W about California cutting the budget to many shelters but the internet ate it, so, I'll just follow with this. Already domestic violence shelters are being under funded, what happens when our creditors stop lending us money or reduce the amount of money we are lent? I'd guess many things we've come to expect will be gone. As far the loss of police. If places like NJ would allow people to properly arm themselves you'd need less police anyway. That would be good for men as most men want a less intrusive government. Random Brother
>@ Captain BathrobeCaptain Bathrobe said: "As the father of two young children, I would be very, very sorry if programs like Paid Family Leave (in CA) were to get cut. In my experience, programs that are perceived as primarily benefiting women really do benefit everyone.I'm sure our MRA friends would agree if they took a minute to consider the matter.(Doesn't hold breath.)"Doesn't help the business owner.Random Brother
>"Islamic organizations for example do untold damage to feminist aspirations, Sharia courts in the UK are for example rebalancing some divorce-based iniquity, and Muslims can hide behind accusations of racism just as effectively as feminist's can behind sexism."True.What liberals give to women with one hand they take from them with the other. lol
>As far the loss of police. If places like NJ would allow people to properly arm themselves you'd need less police anyway. That would be good for men as most men want a less intrusive government.Wouldn't be good for the men who are police officers and now get to be unemployed. But of course even simple nuances like that don't mesh with your conception that "men" is this one big monolithic group. The actual day-to-day interests and desires of all the 300 million people in the US, and the 6 billion people in the world, and the way they intersect and contradict and require compromise is lost on a bunch of people who genuinely can't see any conflict except in terms of some kind of fantasy gender war.
>If people really preferred lugging around their own firearms for protection (and no mistake, guns aren't cheap. You have to practice frequently if you expect to be any good at all in a fight and bullets cost money) rather than leaving their protection in the hands of well-trained and trusted professionals, we'd have kept the wild west wild. If you cut the police force you're not going to save enough in taxes to pay for all your bullets plus you'll have a lot of innocent bystanders getting shot by our new class of unregulated gun-toting heroes. Plus, there are situations where being able to shoot first won't help you, and in those cases it's nice to have a single number you can call to get all the help you need.
>@ Captain BathrobeCaptain Bathrobe said: "As the father of two young children, I would be very, very sorry if programs like Paid Family Leave (in CA) were to get cut. In my experience, programs that are perceived as primarily benefiting women really do benefit everyone.I'm sure our MRA friends would agree if they took a minute to consider the matter.(Doesn't hold breath.)"Doesn't help the business owner.Random Brother By that logic, there should never be any sort of labor laws at all, as they may "hurt" the business owner. PFL is paid for out of payroll taxes (which are normally deducted for State Disability Insurance) in any event. Business owner's costs, while not negligible, are really fairly modest. I own my own business, FWIW, and I qualified for PFL for both of my kids–so, yes, business owners can directly benefit from such programs.Business owners also receive the benefit of living in a society in which kids are that much better cared for, thus reducing later social costs such as crime, mental and physical health problems, and educating kids who have been neglected–all of which are far more expensive than paying parents to have a little bonding time with their kids.Money invested in kids pays off big time later on, even if it has the (unfortunate, in your view apparently) side-effect of benefiting women.
>@ triplanetarytriplanetary said: "Wouldn't be good for the men who are police officers and now get to be unemployed. But of course even simple nuances like that don't mesh with your conception that "men" is this one big monolithic group."No. I'm fully aware that men aren't a monolithich group. However, the overall good to men would outweigh some loss of jobs, IMO. Yes, some men would lose jobs, but far more would be free of government overreach and self reliant people are never a bad thing.Triplanetary said: "The actual day-to-day interests and desires of all the 300 million people in the US, and the 6 billion people in the world,"We should not be responsible for 6 billion people. The United States should focus on the United States, not the whole world.triplanetary continued: "and the way they intersect and contradict and require compromise is lost on a bunch of people who genuinely can't see any conflict except in terms of some kind of fantasy gender war."The fact that you don't seem to see the harm done to men by feminist laws suggest to me that your take on these issues will always and only benefit women. Random Brother
>@ K1. Many people like to have their own firearms, like to shoot, and want to be able to defend themselves from danger rather than having to rely on police who have no constitutional duty to protect you. 2. Many people do not trust the police and a number of police officers are not well trained.3. I don't believe that the US will turn into the wild west without gun control. Very simply in states with gun control the most violent people still get guns. 4. While there are situations where you can't/shouldn't shoot first, there are situations where being armed will save you life.Random Brother
>Sorry should read @ kysokisaen (rest of message)
>@ Captain BathrobeIf you believe in Paid Family Leave, feel free to pay into it till your heart content. I have no problem with that. The problem is people such as yourself deciding that others should pay for it.Random Brother
>The problem is people such as yourself deciding that others should pay for it.No, that's not the problem. That problem was solved by setting up a representative government, wherein elected officials make these sorts of decisions on behalf of their constituents. Disagree with their decisions? Work to elect different representatives. The real problem is people like you, who can't seem to understand these basic concepts.
>@ Sally StrangeWhile I'm at it, why don't I go and tilt at windmills also?And how has that representative government that you're so proud of worked out, Sally? Are we as a country financially solvent? Are out children the healthiest and smartest in the world? Well at least we are kicking ass overseas and our enemies fear us, right?The government is broken Sally. It only works for certain people and being a non rich male that means I'm not one of them. I would think that someone like you, seeing that we are trillions of dollars in debt, would understand that, but I guess as a feminist you just cant 'seem to understand these basic concepts.'Further just because our elected officials decide something doesn't make it right! The constitution (what's left of it) is supposed to protect us from government overreach, not allow that overreach so someone like you can say, don't like it, vote us out. I should not be taxed to death because some couple can't figure out how to wear a condom, nor should I lose money as a business owner so that someone else can watch their one night stand be born.Random BrotherRandom Brother
>If you cut the police force you're not going to save enough in taxes to pay for all your bullets plus you'll have a lot of innocent bystanders getting shot by our new class of unregulated gun-toting heroesTaking this even further, let me quote Fred Clark:I don't know which half of that assumption is crazier — the idea that equivalent jobs would exist with equivalent wages in life Beyond Thunderdome, or the idea that $15 here would have exactly the same purchasing power as 15 units of whatever barter-currency the regional warlords would be accepting in the Hobbesian jungle of the Tax Foundation's idea of utopia.http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2009/04/postapocalyptic-anarchy-day.html
>"Ozymandias said… The MGTOW are betas, who apparently hold up society. It is the contention of the MGTOWs that for their invaluable contributions as IT guys and corporate drones, they should be rewarded with pussy, and if they aren't they shall take their balls and go home and see how well you can run a civilization with nothing but aloof alpha assholes and rich guys."You can't run a civilization as such. Not to mention there is a clear point of going Galt to a culture that adamantly refuses to even remotely respect men for what they do and who they are. This site is just a tiny symptom of the malaise. Interesting how much banter is going on here, and yet just about everyone refuses to grasp this concept. I could wax on and on, but instead I'll keep it simplified; you pour on misandry by the truckloads with men—the very men that are holding up society—and expect nothing to happen, I honestly wonder what noxious substance you are smoking in order to ponder that conclusion. I'll also state this—while I don't like the idea of Western civilization collapsing under its own weight, good fucking luck on calling upon those very men you continue to dump on with your toxicity when you need them.
>All five of you wytch?
>Richard-democracy is not an easy thing to deal with.It takes a lot of effort and just whining does nothing. Take action and here is the key-KEEP WORKING ON IT.There are days when I look at what is going on here in AZ and cry. And then I get back up and keep working on it. Because this is MY country and it deserves the best I can give to it even if it has jackasses like you in it.
>Day 45 of the intrepid MRAs’ disappearance from society, and civilisation as we know it has begun to crumble into dust.‘Oh no!’‘What’s the matter, Mary?’‘My computer’s making that annoying beeping sound when I open Powerpoint again. Where’s that weird smelly little man who usually fixes it?’‘I don’t know. I haven’t seen him for a while, now I come to think of it.’‘OMIGODWHATAREWEGONNADO?’‘Wait a minute – why not just call the other chap in IT? The good-looking Mexican one they hired last month?’‘Oh yeah. Good idea. He’s well fit – and he’s way less creepy too.’ ‘I heard they were going to fire that other one for sexual harrassment anyway, so good riddance. Buck-toothed little freak.’ ‘What was his name again?’‘Gaunt? Grant? Something like that. Damned if I can remember.’‘Whatev. Have you got Lorenzo’s extension number?’(Meanwhile on a deserted island far, far away, the MRAs’ morale and food supplies are running low, and various attempts to mate with the local wildlife have met with humiliating failure. One of their number has started writing a blog about what a bunch of entitled hypergamous bitches today’s Outer Mongolian hippos are.)
>^^Above post, ROFL!! Serious ROFL!!:DDD