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>Comments policy: Cool it

>Folks, some of you need to cool it with the gratuitously nasty personal attacks in your comments. I’ve been cutting some people slack because they are new to the comments here, and because I like to practice relatively hands-off moderation, but I will start deleting comments if this continues, and repeated violators will be banned entirely. Regardless of which side of the debate you’re on. If you haven’t already, read the comments policy.

Also not ok: Justifying violence against men or women. For example, this recent comment from witman suggesting it might be “patriotic” to shoot feminist elected officials. (I’ve screencapped it because I will be deleting it, but for now you can go see it for yourself to confirm I’m not making it up.)

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booboonation
10 years ago

>I would love to answer you Yohan, but your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine. I went into detail how I define woman hating as restricting and otherizing. I QUALIFIED what I meant when I said largely women hating group. "There are also women, who reject feminism. Why MUST every woman accept your life-style?"I also went into great detail about this. How you could ask me this after reading my last two posts is beyond me. You have made a claim that I personally want to force other people to accept feminist guidelines. Please back this claim up with any evidence or at least a line of reasoning. If you want to change the claim from me personally and apply the statement to the feminist movement, fine, but please back your claim up with any evidence you can muster. Thanks. Yesterday you forced your dog to eat cheese and you expect that of all dogs. See how that works? I can just say wacky unsubstantiated shit about you with no evidence all day long. Yohan please disprove what I just said, do you have any EVIDENCE that you did not force your dog to eat cheese yesterday and expect all dogs to eat cheese? You're clearly a dog hater until you prove my statement false. Thanks. You have NEVER EVER ONCE Yohan spoken out for the rights of pets OR immigrants in your comments. Also after thorough research of MRA sites on my own I have come to the conclusion that this group hates animals, they NEVER discuss animal rights, or animal cruelty. It also appears that they are anti-Immigration unless they are women, prostitutes, or spouses that border on slaves with no choices. It appears they are pro-slavery. I would ask that MRAs on this board please do not skim my comment for one-liners, if you fail to understand my NONSENSE second paragraph, it's on you. I am not going to spend the next three posts correcting your lazy reading and one-liner regurgitating habits. Answer the POINTS I attempted to make, argue them, or don't answer. That is a fair, just and logical directive.

booboonation
10 years ago

>I would love to answer you Yohan, but your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine. I went into detail how I define woman hating as restricting and otherizing. I QUALIFIED what I meant when I said largely women hating group. "There are also women, who reject feminism. Why MUST every woman accept your life-style?"I also went into great detail about this. How you could ask me this after reading my last two posts is beyond me. You have made a claim that I personally want to force other people to accept feminist guidelines. Please back this claim up with any evidence or at least a line of reasoning. If you want to change the claim from me personally and apply the statement to the feminist movement, fine, but please back your claim up with any evidence you can muster. Thanks. Yesterday you forced your dog to eat cheese and you expect that of all dogs. See how that works? I can just say wacky unsubstantiated shit about you with no evidence all day long. Yohan please disprove what I just said, do you have any EVIDENCE that you did not force your dog to eat cheese yesterday and expect all dogs to eat cheese? You're clearly a dog hater until you prove my statement false. Thanks. You have NEVER EVER ONCE Yohan spoken out for the rights of pets OR immigrants in your comments. Also after thorough research of MRA sites on my own I have come to the conclusion that this group hates animals, they NEVER discuss animal rights, or animal cruelty. It also appears that they are anti-Immigration unless they are women, prostitutes, or spouses that border on slaves with no choices. It appears they are pro-slavery. I would ask that MRAs on this board please do not skim my comment for one-liners, if you fail to understand my NONSENSE second paragraph, it's on you. I am not going to spend the next three posts correcting your lazy reading and one-liner regurgitating habits. Answer the POINTS I attempted to make, argue them, or don't answer. That is a fair, just and logical directive.

booboonation
10 years ago

>I would love to answer you Yohan, but your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine. I went into detail how I define woman hating as restricting and otherizing. I QUALIFIED what I meant when I said largely women hating group. "There are also women, who reject feminism. Why MUST every woman accept your life-style?"I also went into great detail about this. How you could ask me this after reading my last two posts is beyond me. You have made a claim that I personally want to force other people to accept feminist guidelines. Please back this claim up with any evidence or at least a line of reasoning. If you want to change the claim from me personally and apply the statement to the feminist movement, fine, but please back your claim up with any evidence you can muster. Thanks. Yesterday you forced your dog to eat cheese and you expect that of all dogs. See how that works? I can just say wacky unsubstantiated shit about you with no evidence all day long. Yohan please disprove what I just said, do you have any EVIDENCE that you did not force your dog to eat cheese yesterday and expect all dogs to eat cheese? You're clearly a dog hater until you prove my statement false. Thanks. You have NEVER EVER ONCE Yohan spoken out for the rights of pets OR immigrants in your comments. Also after thorough research of MRA sites on my own I have come to the conclusion that this group hates animals, they NEVER discuss animal rights, or animal cruelty. It also appears that they are anti-Immigration unless they are women, prostitutes, or spouses that border on slaves with no choices. It appears they are pro-slavery.

booboonation
10 years ago

>I would ask that MRAs on this board please do not skim my comment for one-liners, if you fail to understand my NONSENSE second paragraph, it's on you. I am not going to spend the next three posts correcting your lazy reading and one-liner regurgitating habits. Answer the POINTS I attempted to make, argue them, or don't answer. That is a fair, just and logical directive.

booboonation
10 years ago

>And by "second paragraph" I mean when I start accusing Yohan of forcing his dog to eat cheese and ending up with the claim that MRAs are pro-slavery.

nicko81m
10 years ago

>Just as I was pointing out the other day; in this blog, it seems acceptable for a feminist to call a man a dickhead. But it's against rules in here to use the C word against women.

David Futrelle
10 years ago

>That's because "dickhead" is a minor insult that no one takes very seriously. The "c-word" by contrast is a hateful term similar to racial and homophobic slurs I won't allow here either. You can call me a "psycho" if you want. Yohan just did.

nicko81m
10 years ago

>David, David, David, oh dearThat's because "dickhead" is a minor insult that no one takes very seriously.You are admitting to female privilege, right?I thought feminists were against ALL forms of privilege as they claim to be all in for gender equality and fairness, right?Using the word "dickhead" is just as hateful in reality as it's degrading the male genitalia in contrast of degrading the female genitalia when the C word is used.So in other words, David, you accept this female privilege of it being acceptable to degrade male genitalia.

booboonation
10 years ago

>It's amazing how often an MRA will invoke the concept of privilege when they are PREVENTED from engaging in abuse. "I can't call you a vile name, therefore you are privileged." And MRAs would fall completely apart without their false equivalencies. So now d**kh**d is exactly the same as c**t. Let's all pretend that's true. Although this particular battle is not easily won, once you start censoring words. I think there is a strong argument that can be made about the false equivalency of the N word versus honkey or cracker, but on this point, the case is harder to make. The question is, is one more abusive than the other? IDk.

nicko81m
10 years ago

>"And MRAs would fall completely apart without their false equivalencies. So now d**kh**d is exactly the same as c**t. Let's all pretend that's true." It is the same you moron as both words degrade genitalia. It's ridiculously stupid to say that degrading the female genitalia is more sexist than degrading the male genitalia. But I wouldn't be surprised if feminists really believe this.Anything to guise female privilege

Yohan
10 years ago

>booboonation said… Also after thorough research of MRA sites on my own I have come to the conclusion that this group hates animals ….It also appears that they are anti-Immigration unless they are women, prostitutes … You did a poor research.And no idea what you mean with all that talk about dogs, the moon and green cheese. Are you OK?Animal rights – that's maybe what feminists apply in their mindset when talking about men they consider like cattle.Or do you want MRAs to become vegetarians?I don't know from where you got the idea, that MRAs do not like animals. It's the first time I hear that in my life.About immigration, I am an immigrant myself.MRAs often talk about leaving the feminist countries like USA or UK and to relocate somewhere else.About forcing feminism on men, this is already done by various strange laws in Western countries, like selling sex is fine (woman = always a victim) but buying sex is a criminal offense in Sweden. In USA you have VAWA-IMBRA…

avpd0nmmng
10 years ago

>"MRAs are not interested into games like US-hook-up-culture and one-night stands with certain women in certain countries."Why books by Roosh are advertised on the Spearhead ?Why Roissy is admired by most MRAs ?"You are grossly misinformed about this world, if you really think all foreign countries are 3rd world countries, all foreign women are poor and doormats and only American women are 'rich and independent'."I never said that, what I meant is that MRAs go to third world countries because they hope women there are submissive and desperate because they have no success with women in developed countries. And I doubt that even in a third world country, they can find a submissive and desperate woman.

avpd0nmmng
10 years ago

>"It also appears that they are anti-Immigration unless they are women, prostitutes"Here's something funny about these guys, they are "conservatives" which means usually they are anti-immigration. Because of that they show up on conservative blogs and forums and start harassing female posters. I've known two or three women that discovered the Men's Right Movement because these guys showed up in their favorite blogs and forums and ruined it.

Yohan
10 years ago

>David Futrelle said… You can call me a "psycho" if you want. Yohan just did. I did not call you a 'psycho' personally.Read back what I said, before putting words into my mouth.Yohan: I have seen only a few male feminists.And most of them suffer of very serious issues, confused, psycho … The question is if you truly qualify as a 'male feminist', and I think, you do not.This blog is NOT a feminist blog, but solely operating as an MRA-hater blog. I have seen many feminist blogs, but your blog does not fit into this category.

Yohan
10 years ago

> avpd0nmmng said… Why books by Roosh are advertised on the Spearhead ?Why Roissy is admired by most MRAs ?I heard about 'http://www.rooshv.com/' the first time on this blog by David.The forum I am using (Niceguy) is free of ads. It is financed solely out of donations by our members.Other MRA-forums accept ads against payment.There are also feminist websites accepting ads against payment.I would not call Roosh's website to be an MRA-site. It's more about travelling alone as a man and find girls everywhere, something like that.He makes a business out of it. Just my impression, after a short check, it's my first visit there.Maybe he is 'admired' by American MRAs because he is able to carry on HIS independent life in foreign countries. Not really my life-style.Most Americans have no passport and have no idea about life overseas. Maybe they like to read his stories.

booboonation
10 years ago

>nick STOP failing to analyze my comments. The reason I'm telling you to STOP is because you attack me personally, you don't simply fail in argument. At the end of my comment, I basically say that it's tough case to make that those insults are different. Yohan, you are absolutely embarrassing yourself with your analysis of my questions. I am telling you that it's a fallacy to go around making claims that have nothing to do with the topic and asking people to disprove any silly off-topic claim you pull out of your butt. YES, this is an anti-MRA blog, as MRAs are antifeminist. As far as a law about the sex industry that was borne out of necessity. Women need to be able to report their rapes and abuses to the police. That law was borne out of necessity. It has nothing to do with ideology. Gee, how about men quit fucking killing prostitutes you sick fuck? And there are many places that try legalization, because they figure hey, two consenting adults, world's oldest profession, etc. So what happens? People enslave others by the tens of thousands, now we're picking up the pieces from that. You can pretend that is some "equality" issue or something. But that just proves you have an agenda and could care less about the horrendous human rights violations that accompany prostitution. It's ironic that the Swedish model is a counter-intuitive approach borne from the reality that men are absolute murderous monsters to these women instead of grateful. Any good man is outraged when they read about what really goes on, they don't sit around trying to justify it or claim everyone is lying to them. Tens of thousands of trafficked people. That's what happens around a legal industry.

Yohan
10 years ago

> booboonation said… Yohan, YES, this is an anti-MRA blog, as MRAs are antifeminist. Yes, correct.MRAs do not hate women, but they are anti-feminist.

booboonation
10 years ago

>I have already defined why I believe MRA views and limited expectations of women are hatred. No counter arguments were offered. 😀

David Futrelle
10 years ago

>Oh, Yohan, somehow I sort of knew that you would take boohoo's obvious joke about animals, which she carefully explained in a later comment was a joke, completely seriously.

Yohan
10 years ago

>Well, David, as I said a while ago, animals have rights, but men have not. Animals have a right for shelter and food, but men have not.I never heard about a false rape allegation against a bull calf or against a cock pheasant.booboonation said… Gee, how about men quit fucking killing prostitutes you sick fuck? Typical feminist shaming language rhetoric…To answer this question is very easy. Girls, change your life-style! Quit to be a prostitute, don't socialize with thugs and apply for an ordinary job as anybody else.David: …which she carefully explained in a later comment was a joke, completely seriously Yeah, I know. Feminism is a joke for itself. Seriously.

avpd0nmmng
10 years ago

>To yohan:So you're the owner of the nice-guy forum ? (http://www.the-niceguy.com/). I discovered the Nice-Guy forum in 2009 because I wanted to know where Fschmidt was posting – Fschmidt was a regular poster there. And from what I've read at that time, it's clear that most poster there were bitter guys that couldn't get laid – and they didn't hate only feminism, they hated women and any guy that had success with women. I remember reading at least one posting of a guy admitting he was virgin. Many of the most controversial postings disappeared from the nice-guy forum in the beginning of 2010.

Yohan
10 years ago

>No, I am NOT the owner/administrator/founder of the Nice-Guy Forum, I am only holding moderator-rights since many years.We do not accept hate/kill all women-messages. There are members, who are married. also some female members.You mention a certain member, but I cannot find any comment from him in our forum, which I consider as not acceptable.

Thomas
10 years ago

>@avpd0nmmng Stop projecting you own issues onto the whole MRA movement.

avpd0nmmng
10 years ago

>Check this posting …http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=45033He's supposed to have 1010 postings …

David Futrelle
10 years ago

>avp, I cut and pasted in that url accidentally leaving off the final "3" and got a comment saying this:"I like the old days, of just grabbing the bitch by the hair and demanding she becomes 'your wife'. Much easier!"http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4503

Yohan
10 years ago

>What is your problem?This thread is in the section called:Opposing ViewsDisagree with our philosophy? Post here & tell us why. Enter at own Risk.Of course not everybody – especially in this section – (there are 3, for trolls, for conspiracy, for opposing views) agrees with everything. This is an MRA-Forum, and not a feminist blog following the party-line.You have an account, and why do you not post your comment if you disagree as other members did, and if you think, it's too offensive, why do you not report it to the administration?Report button is on the left side, this thread you mention is from Oct/2009.About this member and his 1000 or so comments, the Niceguy-Forum has totally about 530.000 comments.

Yohan
10 years ago

>You should also mention, David, that this thread is dated 2004 (that's even before I joined as a member, and not as moderator), that 2 members of this thread were banned, and this thread was the reply to a pseudo-feminist forum about 'why men should lie to women'.So I understand you support men, who are liars?You agree to this old article from 2004?Well, in this case you are a man, we MRAs call a mangina, too afraid of a woman to tell her the truth..MRAs do not agree to such mangina behavior, better say, what's going on.MRAs do not think, men as liars are a good solution, but obviously it works and recommended by feminist minded dating advisors.What about you?Some sentences from that article:lying is smartSo should you always be honest with her? The answer is no — not if you know what's good for you. The truth is, you can't afford to always tell the truth if you want to keep your relationship healthy. Sometimes you just have to hedge your bets a little with a little creative sugarcoating.Women say they want men to be honest, but if you are, the only thing you'll be going home with is an armful of DVDs from the back room of the video store. The truth is, women force men to lie……The trick is figuring out what she wants to hear…You can lie. Bingo! Take her hands, look deep into her eyes with all the supreme male confidence you can muster and tell her she's the most desirable, beautiful woman you've ever seen. Don't even respond directly to her questions. Sure, it's a scam, and she knows it's a scam, but you're coming from a position of strength, not weakness. Remember, she wants you to lie. She expects you to lie. Wonderful advice, but not my way to go as an MRA.

nicko81m
10 years ago

>David and the others. I think you may mistake real genuine MRA's with younger people or older who like to make dark humour with insulting posts, in the hopes that someone will get a reaction over it or just to simply gain attention.There are shock jocks everywhere on the net. Depending what the forum is about, people will go in and start obnoxious humour.

LexieDi
10 years ago

>I love how the comment mentions not "treating people like crap." You know… PEOPLE, as in women too. Also, I'm pretty sure shooting someone is treating her or him like crap.

David Futrelle
10 years ago

>I just thought it was sort of ironic that going to a completely random page there (by cutting and pasting the wrong url) brought up someone making a beat-up-women joke, right after you said such "hate women" comments didn't exist.

Yohan
10 years ago

>It's interesting to see how you ignore the other replies in 2004…same thread…More crap about how men should "adjust" themselves to get women to like them. Amazing! I don't have a woman in my life, either. Sure, I get lonely sometimes, but I'm at peace. And, my life is my own If that is (rem.by Yohan: to be a liar) what is required for any guy to get a date, I am quite happy being single —–Interesting that you do not question the article itself – to be successful for dates with girls, men are required to be a liar…. interesting indeed.

David Futrelle
10 years ago

>My last comment was for Yohan, of course. Also, it's complete bullshit that NiceGuy band messages advocating violence against women. One quick search on the site (for the phrase "slap that bitch") led me to a bunch of examples:This comment, from an administrator there: Women are superior @ emotioinally manipulating men, and to counter balance that man was given superior strength to respond by a backhand to the side of the head. Of course that power was removed by feminism, along with every other power the western man once had. http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9422&view=findpost&p=123189And this one from a guest later in the thread, happy that he found some guys that like the idea of slapping women — sorry, "bitches" — around: "Wow thanks for the replies, and I totally agree that as a man I should have been able to slap that bitch right across the mouth."I think there's probably a 50% chance than anything Yohan says in comments here will be completely untrue.

booboonation
10 years ago

>Yohan, I say that sick fucks are murdering prostitutes and to you that's SHAMING? I am now officially scared of you. Not a decent or even semi-well adjusted person would worry about "shaming" a sick fuck that killed a prostitute.

booboonation
10 years ago

>oops David, I scrolled up and it looks like the blog posted one of my novel comments three times. Please delete, it's embarrassing. (And that joke about Yohan pulling stuff out of his butt that we all need to disprove, I actually explained that right in the same comment as well as the next two, sigh…)

Yohan
10 years ago

>Yohan, I say that sick fucks are murdering prostitutes …booboonation said… Gee, how about men quit fucking killing prostitutes you sick fuck? No, you said to me: you sick fuck

Yohan
10 years ago

>… And this one from a guest later in the thread …Sorry, David, but you are wrong again,We do NOT have GUESTS. Guests do not have the right to post comments.You picked out again a thread of 2005, before upgrading to the present software.GUESTS are people, whose account was cancelled, either the person required that before leaving us, or we did it to force that person to leave.Recently banned former members will show up as BANNED.

David Futrelle
10 years ago

>Yohan, ok, I'll take your word on the guest things, but the first comment I quoted was from an ADMIN. Do you want me to dig up another hundred examples?

Yohan
10 years ago

>David: I think there's probably a 50% chance than anything Yohan says in comments here will be completely untrue. So far what I see, 100 percent of what David is posting even in his own blog is wrong. As a typical mangina, he supports even articles, where men are encouraged to lie in case they are afraid of women.And this thread you mentioned is about aggressive women…and about a MOCK FIGHT, made up..Whats a "DINK?" Much props to your wife for slapoing that ho. She sounds like a good woman.Take one man and one women and put them center stage, have them start a mock fight. We are conditioned to organize to protect females but not to protect ourselves from females.Please take some reading lessons, English is your mother tongue I guess… and most comments of the NiceGuy Forum are in English.Next please…

Yohan
10 years ago

>David: the first comment I quoted was from an ADMIN. You quoted only 1 half of the sentence, the other half is missing…He said:Of course that power was removed by feminism, along with every other power the western man once had. Fortunately, I don't need to go that far to put my women in their place .

nicko81m
10 years ago

>"brought up someone making a beat-up-women joke, right after you said such "hate women" comments didn't exist."I highly doubt it that a woman would be deemed as a misandrist if she made a joke about kicking a guy in the gonads. It would get taken lightly.

Yohan
10 years ago

>@ nicko81mViolence from women against men remains a frequent topic all the time in MRA-related websites. I do not think, that men who are posting their stories on their blogs or in MRA-forums are all liars dreaming in their sick fantasy world.I wonder if David is already retired. It seems, he has plenty of time to search in old archives from 2004 or 2005 in our Niceguy-Forum among over 500.000 comments from banned former members if they contain something 'misogynistic' – Has he nothing else to do? No job, no family, no hobbies otherwise?The administration of the Niceguy-Forum has guidelines about what we consider as acceptable comments and what not – and surely David, the MRA-hater is one of the last persons on earth we would ask for advice how we manage our websites.Men need a place, where they can talk about their personal problems, and David's MRA-hater blog surely is not the right place for them.

wytchfinde555
10 years ago

>avpd0nmmng said… "MRAs are not interested into games like US-hook-up-culture and one-night stands with certain women in certain countries."Why books by Roosh are advertised on the Spearhead ?Why Roissy is admired by most MRAs ?"You are grossly misinformed about this world, if you really think all foreign countries are 3rd world countries, all foreign women are poor and doormats and only American women are 'rich and independent'."I never said that, what I meant is that MRAs go to third world countries because they hope women there are submissive and desperate because they have no success with women in developed countries. And I doubt that even in a third world country, they can find a submissive and desperate woman. Nice try in painting women as "desperate" in other countries when there are many desperate women over in the US—but they don't want to appear bitter or desperate and project it on men.Plus, what do have against someone who wants a consential relationship with a submission woman—or a woman that likes being that way? I'm certain you think most MRA aren't "successes" with American women but when the dating pool is suspect you can always think they are not suitable or desirable. Ever wonder if there are undesirable women out there as well in the US? Or do you think that American women are the be all, end all of the mating game?

wytchfinde555
10 years ago

>avpd0nmmng said… "I discovered the Nice-Guy forum in 2009 because I wanted to know where Fschmidt was posting – Fschmidt was a regular poster there. And from what I've read at that time, it's clear that most poster there were bitter guys that couldn't get laid"False. There are married, divorced, and single guys there. I bet you revel in the fact you think they "couldn't get laid" although there is a cross-section of men there. There are more issues dealt there other than getting sex—perhaps you are hung up this thing with men, eh?You really have something about this, or you are just employing poor psychology. " – and they didn't hate only feminism, they hated women and any guy that had success with women."Nice Guy himself got married and men applauded his success. Apparently, you don't spend time there very much."I remember reading at least one posting of a guy admitting he was virgin."So, what's your problem? Would you have a problem with a woman thinking her virginity was okay? Probably not."Many of the most controversial postings disappeared from the nice-guy forum in the beginning of 2010."Whatever you deem as controversial, of course.

wytchfinde555
10 years ago

>booboonation said… "Yohan, I say that sick fucks are murdering prostitutes and to you that's SHAMING? I am now officially scared of you. Not a decent or even semi-well adjusted person would worry about "shaming" a sick fuck that killed a prostitute."Goes to show feminism thrives on guilt and fear. Afraid of Yohan? He's so level headed and down to earth that your rant would be a sad joke if you weren't so serious. (laughs uproariously)

David Futrelle
10 years ago

>Yohan. Great. He can "put her in her place" without literally hitting her. What a wonderful fellow. Also, how about these:"I'd slap the fucking shit…no I'd punch a bitch dead in the mouth for suggesting that I suck a dildo. I'd part that hos hair."http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=45492&view=findpost&p=506763"Ain't that the truth. Can't stand those types of people — talk loud just to hide the fact that they are entirely insecure about themselves. Bitch needs a good punch-out. "http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40009&view=findpost&p=452916And this hilarious joke:Chick: "Hey baby, I just changed the tire, checked the coolant, and gave the car a tune-up."Guy: "Bitch, what I tell you about knowing more about cars than me?" *slap* http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=49946&view=findpost&p=553888"Cheer up mate, once our economy collaspses, you can freely bitch slap them without fear of the law, and they will be BEGGING you to take care of them. Your future is bright "http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=49646&view=findpost&p=551675Also, just so you know, I'm not searching through thousands of old posts. The NiceGuy site has a search function. Type in words related to violence against women, and to-da! You find posts in which guys advocate or joke or fantasize about violence towards women.

Laddyboy
10 years ago

>Futrelle, you had to know you'd open up a category 5 shit storm, when you decided to subject MRA's to your canned defamatory snakiness. Agitprop tends to elicit that reaction.

Amused
10 years ago

>Dr. Deezee: "Taking a page right out of my primer on public discourse I see. Why refute an argument when you can just dismiss it with ad hominems and stupid analogies?"Dr. Deezee, I don't care about your primer. Using the word "discourse" in a sentence doesn't make you an authority on logic or rhetoric. For starters, you didn't make an argument. You made a factual statement with an implied conclusion so ridiculous on its face, it doesn't merit formal refutation. As for what this "woman" wrote — once again, it's not an argument, but a rant; and as with your suggestion, its premise is so ridiculous, that no formal refutation is necessary. Moreover, you operate under a logical fallacy that mocking a statement proves its substance. Obviously, this defies the basic principles of logic. Nor is an assertion proven by the opponent's refusal to engage it, since the grounds for such a refusal aren't limited to actual inability. Therefore, it proves none of the contents of that rant for me to say that I will not engage any "argument" the premise of which is that women are subhuman waste by virtue of their gender, who do or say nothing of value, and should have the legal status of property.Yohan: "You want to FORCE other people to accept your feminist guidelines."Although I don't agree with everything that booboonation says, or how she says it, I don't see in what way she is forcing you to believe anything. Do you have a gun to your head? Do you have a knife to your throat? Have your assets been seized and your bank accounts frozen? Can you honestly, in good faith say that you are in a reasonable fear, supported by experience, of being exiled to a gulag because you don't agree with booboonation? Or do you mean to say that you consider merely disputing your statements to be oppressive and unfair towards you?This proves, once again, that MRA's operate on the basic assumption that men are the default gender, and women exist solely to accommodate "people", i.e. men. Thus, any right or privilege exercised by women, though identical to that of men, is seen as an erosion of men's rights. Women's suffrage is constantly decried as a disenfranchisement of men, even though men's and women's voting rights are exactly identical. A husband and wife both keep their original last names, and this is seen as an act of subjugation of the husband, even though he gets the exact same thing as the wife. A woman expresses an opinion, and this is characterized as coercion against men who disagree with her. The inevitable conclusion is that women aren't to speak at all, except in endorsement. Has it ever occurred to you, Yohan, that by expressing your opinions here you are "forcing" them on people? What are you saying, exactly? That a woman may only speak to parrot what you say, or else stay silent? Whereas men are entitled to say whatever they want? Some "marketplace of ideas" you envision there, pal. And how ironic that you deny being privileged.

Yohan
10 years ago

>Booboonation, a radical feminist is now scared of Yohan, MRA…Nothing to worry about, for sure David will protect you…Well, true, the Men's Rights Movement is successfully fighting against feminism. —–@DavidAbout your link (from 2008)http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40009related to comments abouthttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=edc_1230094877Crazy Chick Picks a Fight With Off-Duty Marines at 7-ElevenIf you really call THIS to be violence AGAINST women, then you are crazy…—–Yes, you are searching and nitpicking through 1000s of old posts. Otherwise you would mention some others, from various sectors from 2011, related to violence, like this one…http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=50037(why men kill themselves)or what about this one…http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=50135(tragedy: children from single parent families – 70 per cent more likely to become a drug addict)or this onehttp://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=50134 (Nurse -female- punched dying patient -male- who walked with a Zimmer frame)This is about what we do as MRAs. We do our best to inform people about topics, where feminists remain silent…

Yohan
10 years ago

>Amused: 1 -Women's suffrage is constantly decried as a disenfranchisement of men, even though men's and women's voting rights are exactly identical. 2 -A husband and wife both keep their original last names, and this is seen as an act of subjugation of the husband, even though he gets the exact same thing as the wife.All what I can say, as a male immigrant from Europe to Asia myself after 35 years, I do not have any voting rights, and it does not disturb me at all.After marriage, that's the law in many Asian countries, the foreigner keeps his/her name, and the national of that country keeps her/his name, and it does not disturb me at all.What you mention here is more about personal feelings and Western history/law, not everywhere in the world it is like that. It has nothing to do with the gender as you see in my case. Other circumstances also have to be considered.And about marriage, maybe a feminist can explain me for what marriage is good for in case you are a man? Any benefit for a man if he marries? Which benefit?

Amused
10 years ago

>Yohan: you completely missed my point, which was about the perception that if women occupy any part of any public space, they are seen as encroaching on men's space. The fact that you don't care about not having the right to vote is neither here nor there. It remains that you claim that if a woman merely voices an opinion that's contrary to yours, she's "forcing" you — implying that women shouldn't speak, except to agree."And about marriage, maybe a feminist can explain me for what marriage is good for in case you are a man? Any benefit for a man if he marries? Which benefit?"I am not an advocate for marriage. Marriage is a personal matter, and I am not in the habit of "selling" marriage OR singlehood, to anyone. Every lifestyle has its own set of complications and costs. Whether the benefits outweigh the costs in a particular set of circumstances depends on a lot of variables and individual perceptions. If the only possible "benefit" you see for a man in marriage is having an unpaid servant, then yes, we feminists have done all we can to deprive you of that "benefit". If you don't believe marriage has anything for you, unless you can own another human being like an appliance — then by all means, don't get married. That will make some woman very, very lucky.