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My new favorite commenter on the Happy Bachelors Forum is a fellow calling himself trogdor005, who pretty much lives up to his name, offering blunt misogynist rants with all the subtlety of a caveman. A caveman who has figured out how to change font size and add animated smileys to his posts. So here is the first in a new series, “The Wit and Wisdom of Trogdor005.”
Today’s topic: “Going ghost.” For those not conversant with the latest in angry-man slang, this is a term adopted by the manosphere that’s basically a variant on Men Going Their Own Way — that is, disengaging from women and as much as possible from society itself. A man who goes ghost is, of course, a ghost. Here’s how you use it in a sentence:
That creepy douchebag who lives alone in the basement apartment and scowls every time a women walks by is a ghost.
Recently, one of the Happy Bachelors ran across a blog post by a woman who mocked the whole “ghost” notion:
I admit it, every time I read about some guy in the manosphere declaring that he or other men are going to go ghost, I laugh. I laugh real hard. When I have nothing else to laugh about because it feels as if nothing is going my way I think of those men, I laugh, and I am instantaneously cheered up.
The bulk of men are not willing to go ghost–no matter how bad things in the sexual and economic marketplace skew in favor of women–and even if large numbers of them did, most of those men would not be missed and eventually they would return to society, chastened by their transgression at acting on such a foolish endeavor.
This post MAKE TROGDOR MAD! So he banged out a response. He began by showing off his hard-won font-size-modification and smiley skills:
Then he moved into the meat of his argument:
The bottom line is men can avoid women entirely and there is NO FORCE on Earth that can force us into “marriage” or even a “relationship” with a woman minus a gun to the head. Even if the Guv’ment succeeds in somehow “forcing” men to get married, we as ghosts know what makes you bitches tick and can simply become unemployed intentionally, become fat stinky slobs, treat you very nicely/well, or more devastatingly effective, say the words “I love you” and cause you to instantly lose ALL attraction for us and be miserable in your Guv’ment arranged “marriages” ;D … The icing on the cake is that, when you inevitably file for “divorce” after years of unhappiness/New Cock Urge it is YOU who will pay US men “alimony” and “child support” since we were unemployed during the “marriage” hahahahhahaha ;D
Yes, you heard it right ladies, even if the government gives in to your dastardly desires and actually forces men to marry you, they can defeat you without lifting a finger, literally, except when their fingers are needed to shove food into their mouths.
Trogdoor005 then rallied the troops with some stirring rhetoric:
Men are winning the “gender war” and there is NOTHING the wimminz can do about it … The matriarchy needs a steady supply of manginas/husbands to feed the system and keep it running, a ghost is the anti-thesis of the mangina/husband and therefore MUST be discredited, silenced, and destroyed.
Many of us men will go on to lead happy, fulfilling lives, meanwhile many of these same Femini-nazi bitches will end up with cats and vibrators in their old age.
Here’s where Trogdor005 went wrong: plenty of non-elderly women have cats and vibrators already.
>And then Sandy does that crazy thing of putting quotes around her crazy paraphrase to make it look like that is what I said. Crazy, crazy lady! It's like every argument I've ever been in with a woman. Might as well try to get the dog to understand logic.So much inanity I don't even know where to start.No, my job does not require muscle mass. It requires technical acumen, high stress and long hours. Women might be able to do it, but they ain't beating down the door to apply! Like I said, the work sucks and the hours are long and it's the best God Damned Job I've ever had!I did like the Arrrr, matey! That was a good one and I do feel liberated and pirate like when wenches server me beers. I've walked out of bars that tried to give me a male server (it just isn't natural)Later folks!
>Oh, wait, I missed Crazy Sandy's last point:"The point is that you interpret these facts to mean that you are superior."And where did I say men were superior? Nowhere! This is another crazy cat lady ploy of reading into what was said rather than just taking it at face value. It's like trying to reason with a child. My point is that men have rights! The same rights as every other human on this planet. I will not only fight for those rights, but I will do everything to liberate every man that I come into contact with.God, I am such a sucker. I wish I could be like the trolls on the MRA sites. They are experts in that all they do is ask a completely irrelevant question and derail a discussion. Being male, I stupidly resort to logic and appeal to a greater sense of good which nobody here seems to have.
>"Really, if bitter misogynist men want to withdraw from society altogether, that's A-OK with me. Ditto the people who fancy themselves "Galts." Or any other embittered separatists with an inflated sense of their own importance."Elkins is incorrect. It is actually many good men (MGTOW or even those never even heard of the acronym) that are being pushed away, adapting by doing different tactics with women and culture, or avoiding situations and people that would be deleterious to their person and way of life.They are important, and important to society and the mechanisms of civilization. Your lack of concern is a problem. One part of it is this: what other men will be interacting with you when the good men are not actively participating (or not willing to put with misandry and drift away?)A portion of them are the men you complain about. You are creating an environment you probably think you are circumventing.
>“And then Sandy does that crazy thing of putting quotes around her crazy paraphrase to make it look like that is what I said.”It’s very obvious she did it in the context of a paraphrase, actually. The additional content made it even more obvious. You're deliberately ignoring that she called out you're hilariously cartoon misogynyst cliche's, which is fine, but pirates are generally straight to the point.“Crazy, crazy lady! It's like every argument I've ever been in with a woman. Might as well try to get the dog to understand logic.”Since you’re disingenuous to every woman with whom you speak and then attempt to twist it around to make her appear crazy, I can see where you’d have trouble… “Women might be able to do it, but they ain't beating down the door to apply!”With you there? Get out of here!“I've walked out of bars that tried to give me a male server (it just isn't natural)”Let me guess: the male servers are being flirty for free drinks.“I will not only fight for those rights, but I will do everything to liberate every man that I come into contact with.”Even male servers that like pirates and free drinks?“Being male, I stupidly resort to logic and appeal to a greater sense of good which nobody here seems to have.”I think you’d like to believe that, but it’s okay. Only because you’re a pirate and I think that’s cute.
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>hi witman,just wanted to let you know that I don't actually subjugate my bf. In fact most people would call our relationship extremely traditional and old fashioned. By his choice he is the one who leads our relationship, not me. I don't demand a damn thing from him other than for him to respect me as a human being. He, who btw does not self identify as a feminist, has no problem with treating me with said respect.Oh and you wouldn't be welcome to worship at the altar of my vagina. I only let men who respect women go there
>wytch, could you point me to some MGTOW online who are neither bitter nor misogynist? I have yet to find any. This is a serious question. URLs?
>So, let me get this straight.A bunch of men are so angry at women for rejecting them, that they're threatening to just stop talking to women altogether.And this is a threat to those women…how?The phrase that comes to my mind is, "Oh, no, br'er fox! Please don't throw me in that briar patch!"
>"It is actually many good men (MGTOW or even those never even heard of the acronym) that are being pushed away, adapting by doing different tactics with women and culture, or avoiding situations and people that would be deleterious to their person and way of life."wytchfinde555, I think that nearly everyone I know — and certainly everyone I consider a friend — does this to a certain extent. There are certainly situations and people that I avoid because I believe that contact with them or with their toxic ideas is deleterious to my person and way of life. There are certainly ways of interacting with people and culture that I have adopted as an adaptation strategy – as a way of adapting to a culture that I believe is in many ways very, very sick. That's part of how subcultures come about, isn't it?I think, though, that there's a big difference in emphasis between "this aspect of the culture is so sick and so toxic to me that I must avoid it or adapt new ways of dealing with it for my own protection" or "I prefer to limit my social circle to people I don't believe to be adherents to seriously toxic ideas about gender" and "When I withdraw from society, EVERYONE WILL BE SORRY AND THAT'LL LEARN THEM!" It could be that you are right in (what I'm reading to be) your implication that these statements are really reflecting the same reality, and that the latter statement is just coming from someone who is feeling more hurt, or more injured, or more angry. But I can't help but perceive a difference there beyond one of mere tone.
>glennsacks.comfathersandfamilies.comIt's a start.
>@Elkins:"I prefer to limit my social circle to people who agree with me"^^ Fixed it for you.
>I see that Witman is still intellectually incapable of exploring the world outside his own experiences or the things that affect him personally in some way. Posting in the comments of this site went from entertaining to exhausting quickly due to such proud ignorance. It's all logical fallacies, resentment and a continuous misrepresentation of what the rest of us stand for even when we say outright again and again what we stand for. Debate is only fun when one's opponent is halfway capable.
>I don't know many people whose intimates — their closest personal friends or their spouses — hold philosophies of life utterly antithetical to their own, whitman. Do you?
>Witman: I don't give a flying rat's ass about what you do for a living, why you do it, how you feel about it, what you like to do for fun, how awesome you think it is to have beer and wings, or how "manly" it makes you and your neanderthal buddies feel to ogle the waitress who can't do anything about customers' porcine behavior. I gather you are a blue-collar guy who works in a job that has a significant physical component, and outside of which, you have interests which revolve around junk food, ass-grabbing, and feeling sorry for yourself — but again, I don't care. I would only note three things:First, as I previously said, whatever you do for a living, don't flatter yourself by pretending that your taxes support me.Second, you should lay off grandiose pronouncements about how you supposedly adhere to logic, since your oscillations between beating yourself in the chest about how awesome your life is and tearful exposes of how you are constantly mistreated and oppressed by the matriarchy are anything but logical.Third, love as you may your job and your gourmet nights of Purdue wings 'n swill, none of it matters — because you are "going ghost" remember? That means, quitting your job, dumping your wife, dumping your girlfriends and staying in the basement until such time as the world comes to be sorry.Cold: As a rich person, I do whatever the fuck I want. Capisce?
>@M,And I see that you have offered a great ad hominem attack. Well played, I bow to your excellence.@Amused,My life is awesome because I made it that way. I wasn't born rich (or married into it) like some. I've done this in spite of the ill will and mistreatment by the likes of you. Imagine a poor little white boy struggling up through the ranks to middle-middle class and all it's bounty and entitlement!I am an entitled man (born with privilege) so I can ogle whomever I wish and this is especially pleasant when they have an incentive to be nice. Porcine though it may be, you seem angry that you don't qualify for my ogling.You got me on the basement part! I have a man cave in the basement of my home. Women are only allowed here by invitation so don't embarrass yourself by asking. I only let nice women in here. :)"Cold: As a rich person (with a vagina), I do whatever the fuck I want. Capisce?"^^ I fixed that for you too.
>@Amused:I have to admit that I felt a smidgen or amusement at your Blue Collar comment. This coming from an over-privileged princess such as yourself. I'm sure the lowly ranks of the middle class here will not feel slighted as you only snub your nose at middle-classed men and not them.You know what would be really funny? Tell me I'm privileged. It gets me aroused.
>Witman, if those URLs were meant for me, Glenn Sacks is not a MGHOW. He's a father's rights activist. I don't agree with him, but he's not saying "fuck you I'm taking my ball and going home," he's engaging with society and involved in political activism. I'm asking specifically if there are "ghosts" and/or MGTOW online who aren't bitter and/or misogynist.
>Crap, I misread that.I don't know if any offhand. I'll keep my eyes peeled though.
>You have to admit David that the biggest recruiter for the MRA is divorce courts.
>Cold: As a rich person, I do whatever the fuck I want. Capisce?As a person who makes a tidy sum off of people like you who have more (claimed)money than sense, and who does so 100% legally, I hope you keep on doing whatever the fuck you want so that my savings account keeps growing.
>I'm asking specifically if there are "ghosts" and/or MGTOW online who aren't bitter and/or misogynist.Yohan is neither bitter nor misogynist, nor is MarkyMark who you put in your enemies list, nor is yours truly (ok I'm a little bitter sometimes, but it's not a significant aspect of my personality). Of course I'm going by the dictionary definitions of those words; your mileage may vary.
>Yohan is … Yohan. True, he doesn't seem bitter, really. But he's also married with kids, so he's not exactly a ghost. I don't know about bitter, but MarkyMark seems pretty misogynistic to me. http://markymarksthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/08/women-are-children-by-mulhollanddrive.html?showComment=1251305199568#c2911153637812629161And maybe a little gullible:http://markymarksthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/06/american-women-fed-in-head-exhibit.html?showComment=1244836950486#c4016200437802629619
>Going 'ghost', or whatever you want to call it, is happening in Japan right now.They are having a devastating effect on that countries birth rate and it's economy.You don't think that kind of shit can't happen here?
>You said "'ghosts' and/or MGTOW". Yohan qualifies as a MGTOW because he travelled far from his country of birth to get married in a society that he finds more agreeable, rather than conforming to the expectations of his original country.If you're going to claim that MarkyMark hates women(that's the dictionary definition of misogynist) then maybe you should use his own words to back it up instead of words he quoted from someone else without expressing full agreement.
>If you post a piece of writing whose basic thesis is that women are children and preface it with "listen and learn, grasshopper," I think you pretty much count as a misogynist. And he's posted tons of misogynist shit; that was just the first thing that popped up in my history when I typed marky into my address bar.