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Don’t let it be said that Men Going Their Own Way lack Christmas spirit. On the MGTOW message boards today hanzblinx asks the rest of the fellows to “suggest a holiday gift for my gf.” Nothing fancy, just something that makes her feel special. Well, not that special. Actually, not very special at all:
OK I know the first answers will be..
apron
oven mitts
mop
dustcloth
g-string
but what exactly can I get my GF for Christmas for about $30 that would not inflate her ego too much? Is there a book? A CD? Anything?
Hmm. Given that she’s dating a dude who hangs out on the MGTOW message boards, I wouldn’t think there would be much danger of hansblinx’s alleged girlfriend having an excess of self-esteem, or really any at all, but what sort of gift do you give a gal that will help keep her ego permanently deflated? A framed picture of a female friend you think looks prettier than her? Sexy lingerie several sizes too small? A “Does My Fat Ass Make My Ass Look Fat” bumper sticker? An “I’m a Cunt” t-shirt? A “Shut Your Whore Mouth” needlepoint kit?
Actually, that last one sort of rocks.
>Yohan, I know you're not Eoghan, Sandy was responding to a now-deleted comment of his. Though what she said applies to many of your comments as well.I signed up under a different name so I could read the NiceGuy forums without having my account deleted (which Cold has repeatedly called for on that site). I link back to every comment I quote so anyone who registers at the site can easily check out the context. If you want to make it easier for people to check out the context, you should probably convince the guys running the site to make it readable to members and non-members alike. As I have noted at least once before, I have never quoted from the "rants" section (though I may someday), nor have I "added my own words" to anything I have quoted, except to clarify something that's unclear. Any edits I make are clearly indicated with ellipses and any words I add to clarify anything are clearly indicated by brackets. Once again, your whole comment is basically unsubstantiated bullshit. As are the rest of your comments in this thread. And many if not most of your comments on this site. One of the reasons people confuse you with Eoghan is that you post stuff that is similarly full of unsubstantiated nonsense, and you don't seem to understand or even read much of what you're responding to.
>Man, what are the odds that two people would have the exact same opinions as well as names that are pronounced exactly the same? It's almost like they're a set of twins whose mother deliberately gave them interchangeable identities and OH MY GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.Yes, I can definitely see how someone (or two people) could walk out of that situation with some angry ideas about women. But guys, you don't have to project! I mean, yes it's unfortunate that you were raised in what amounts to a bizarre, lifelong social experiment, but not all women are like that! If you judge all women based on your mom's weird methods of raising the two of you, you're just viewing all women interchangeably. Like she did to you! Don't you see? YOU'VE BECOME HER!We're… we're through the looking glass on this one.
>DAVID: I signed up under a different name so I could read the NiceGuy forums without having my account deleted (which Cold has repeatedly called for on that site)What a weak ridiculous argument is that.About the Niceguy-Forum:To delete an user-account in the NiceGuy forum requires full administrator rights. Only a few persons have full administrator rights. Moderators, including myself, cannot delete accounts.There are sections for opposing views within the Niceguy-Forum. We are not into deleting, editing or banning anyway. We are MRAs. About deleting or banning you better ask feminists for advice.….. you should probably convince the guys running the site to make it readable to members and non-members alike. There are some sections which are open to everybody to read. If you are interested into more openly MRA-stuff, please sign up. We do not expose our forum to anonymous feminist trolls, who are showing up solely for the reason to post insulting comments to members who are telling us about their personal problems.SAM: Yes, I can definitely see how someone (or two people) could walk out of that situation with some angry ideas about women. But guys, you don't have to project! I mean, yes it's unfortunate that you were raised in what amounts to a bizarre, lifelong social experiment, but not all women are like that! NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT! The problem is however, if you meet a woman who is like that, what will you do as a man in such a situation?Will feminists help me? Will feminists defend me against a malicious woman, who wants to harm me? Good question.I don't think so, and the only place where you can talk undisturbed with somebody about your problems as man are still the MRAs and their forums, and not the feminists with David as their cheerleader…
>@Yohan"Who says – as we are all equals – that gifts are moving only from the boy to the girl?"Why Yohan, nobody at all said that. Because this is a post about one individual guy and his individual comment on what he is buying his girlfriend. Your leaps of logic are absolutely adorable.You're complaining about 'feminist agendas' in places where it is completely irrelevant and inappropriate to the original posts.(And I also don't consider myself a feminist nor do I read their sites. I like this blog because it's funny and is highlighting how the MRA is about women-bashing to a much larger degree than it is about actually doing anything about men's rights issues.)
>Yohan, uh, do you ever read anything that you respond to? Are you honestly asking Sam what he'll do if he meets a women who raises him from birth as an identical twin with an interchangable identity with his brother "Sahm?"
>Courtney said… ….. Congrats, dude. That is an impressive amount of cognitive dissonance you've got going on. Congrats, grrl. You reap what you sow. Just one question:If you treat men like shit all the time, in any aspect of life, in education, justice, within the family etc. how can you be surprised about men reacting with what you call 'cognitive dissonance'? Do you really think, men MUST accept and agree to all and everything to their disadvantage solely because it's coming from women?
>"Congrats, grrl. You reap what you sow."Boyzz would do well to realize this, too. But no, keep on believing that feminism occurred in a vaccuum, that informal and institutionalized male dominance is either an illusion or the natural and rightful order of things."If you treat men like shit all the time, in any aspect of life, in education, justice, within the family etc. how can you be surprised about men reacting with what you call 'cognitive dissonance'?"Why are men so surprised and outraged about women reacting to that kind of treatment?"Do you really think, men MUST accept and agree to all and everything to their disadvantage solely because it's coming from women?"No, but it's interesting that men expect women to happily and thankfully accept and submit to the contradictory whims of men (eg., don't work outside the home because then you'll be stealing men's jobs, but don't be a housewife, either, because then you'll be a parasite on the fruits of men's labours)
>Reading these posts by MRAs is a fascinating exercise in examining just how skewed an individual's perception of reality can become. World leaders are predominately men. Take a close look at the US Congress and Senate. What's the gender ratio? And since over half of the incoming Congress wants to deny me the right to regulate my uterus, I hardly think we're dealing with "manginas" here. And anyone who thinks it's easy to get a man put away for rape or sexual assault, please, sit down and let me buy you a cup of coffee because I've got some stories for you.I think I'm both fascinated and repelled by the strength of the denial on parade here. And David, have you thought about writing about the phenomenon of Biblical patriarchy in the States?
>World leaders are predominately men… Homeless, people in prison, people doing low-level jobs etc. are also predominately men.You see only the top, and not the bottom of our life.
>Yes, the homeless are predominately men. Many are veterans, and that is a failure of the veterans' administration to address mental health issues. It has nothing to do with feminism. And yes, prisoners are also predominately male. Statistically, men are likely to commit violent crime. I believe that's a social failure. Again, it has nothing to do with feminism. It hardly can, since men also occupy most positions of power. As for jobs, that's complicated. It's easier for men to enter the work force, so yes, many men work low-level jobs. But globally, men more likely to be educated. World unemployment disproportionately affects women (http://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/press-and-media-centre/press-releases/WCMS_091102/lang–en/index.htm) and the gender pay gap remains an issue. That's because men are more likely to receive salaried positions (http://www.unifem.org/progress/2008/vs_markets2.html#vstats). So, sorry. But the demographics support my position. The status of men around the world is far more comfortable than that of women. It literally is a man's world.
>Not sure where you are gettting your statistics on the homeless."In 2003, children under the age of 18 accounted for 39% of the homeless population; 42% of these children were under the age of five (National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty, 2004).""families with children comprised 33% of the homeless population,""Nationally, approximately half of all women and children experiencing homelessness arefleeing domestic violence""single homeless adults are more likely to be male than female"http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/facts/Whois.pdfOne of the reasons men get so much higher on homeless statistics is that single homeless adults and homeless families with minor children are generally not studied together. Homeless women are less likely to be counted as single adults and more likely to be counted as a homeless family in conjuction with their minor children. Homeless men are generally single adults, homeless women are generally the caretakers of minor children. Women have also been traditionally undercounted in homelessness surveys as homeless women are on average less concentrated in urban areas where these studies are performed in comparision to men. It is hard to get data comparing the general rates of homelessness between men and women, as most studies result in an overcount of one group's situation in comparison to the other.