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Here are some of the things I have, er, “learned” about women from reading Men’s Rights/Men Going Their Own Way blogs and message boards.
This is part one in what will be, I suspect, a very lengthy series.
Women are: The missing link
All in all I am thoroughly convinced that women have all contempt for human life and are the missing link between apes and humans. This is a gender war, a GENDER WAR! and small innocent babies that are murdered and children that get abused are caught in the crossfires, and these females are utterly fucking useless and a waste of fucking breathing space. They have shown their true colors and we don’t need them anymore.
Women are: Nuclear waste
I have come to the conclusion that it’s not enough to avoid romantic relations with women. A man should take extra precautions to avoid even the most casual contact. Regard them as nuclear waste or a highly contagious disease.
Women are: In violation of the Geneva Convention
Women have no idea what they want, they need to be told and controlled. If you are too nice or become apathetic, you are fucking doomed. Either way, if you get married, you are doomed. Women are cunts, and they are absolute masters of mental torture and abuse. If we simply hired bitches to interrogate and torture all captured terrorists, the war on terror would be over in less than a year.
Women are: Unlovable humans
Men are lovable humans, unlike women. Men are the greatest ever treasure of gold, whom women worthless could never compare to or ever hold a candle to. … the male sex is ever superior to the weaker female one. Men in India are mistreated vis-à-vis females, to get the bitches feel dignified. This is against nature. … Men are taken advantage of by bitches (the woman race). … Woe betide women. I hate them too much, girls too.
NOTE: These comments do not reflect the opinions of all MRAs. But these sorts of things are posted constantly on MRA/MGTOW blogs and message boards, and are rarely challenged. Some, like the first comment here, may even receive multiple upvotes from other readers,
>.On the Spearhead forum, there is a conversation between Ragnar and another member regarding the role of women in the future. Ragnar clearly stated that women had no place among men, that women were inferior to men, and as such needed to get out of the way (to paraphrase).So at least one half of the MGTOW creators has stated his purpose clearly–that women were to be pushed out of the way, because they deserve and shall have no rights.I was tempted to join David's website just so that I could jump in and argue with the MRA's who frequent the comment section, but it's a waste of time. You guys are masters at coming here and derailing the conversations away from the main point, which is that you guys, pathetic though you may be, are also bad to the core. The way you put people on the defensive when they try to address some issues in the MRM is nothing short of brilliant, because over and over again they fall for it. They go from addressing the issues of the MRM to defending and explaining their thoughts about feminism.This is why it is a waste of time to argue or attempt any debates with MRA's. Any injecting of truth into their brainwashing little lies will be more effective directed elsewhere.Arguing with the enemy is completely pointless.
>MirandaThe mens movement doest pretend that there was no such thing as womens oppression, the mens movement correctly points out that both men and women were oppressed and that the feminist version of history in which mens oppression is painted over and men as a group are depicted as the privileged oppressors and designers of ruling class systems is a lie. And dont be mislead by David, the comments that he cherry picks from those two sites are not representative of the mens movement.
>On the contrary, Eoghan, those comments certainly ARE representative of the men's movement. And that is why some men, hurt though they may be, visit one of the forums at the advice of one of his pals, sees the hatred expressed on any given thread, and shuts it down without ever considering joining. And we know that this is a problem because it has been discussed among some of you in various threads. Are you all really in such denial? Because if you are, let me assure you, the overall feeling that one has when one visits the forums is one of having bathed in dirt and slime. Most people aren't going to gravitate towards that, regardless of how hurt they are. MOST PEOPLE know that the hurt caused by one women isn't the same as being hurt by ALL WOMEN.Once you've "gotten" them, it's a lot easier to brainwash them into the "women are evil, worthless sluts" mentality. The problem that you guys have is GETTING them. I can't believe that as smart as you guys supposedly are, someone hasn't figured that out yet.
>Mirandathose comments are not representive of the mens movemment, if they were they wouldnt be cherry picked comments. I agree that sexual acarsity is driving a certain amount of the anger. In a free sexual market place there is an unofficial harem system, around 20% of the men have sex with 80% of the women, so a lot of guys have to come to terms with the fact that they do not have enough wealth or looks to have sexual value to women, but they dont define the mens movement. Many other guys have been shafted by unequal family law, had the system and/or their children used against them as proxy weapons, been falsely accused of domestic violence or rape, been domestic violence or child sexual abuse victims of women only to be told by the feminist controlled system that they dont exist and so on. Many others are concerned about misandry and human and civil rights violations that feminism promotes, there is concern about the lies that feminism tells about men and the advocacy research that protects female abusers and marginalizes their victims and as I pointed out above the fictitious version of history that causes many impressionable women to resent men.
>there is also the education gap, the eduction system shouldn't be slanted in favour of any group.
>Co-Alpha Brotherhood seems to be an extreme version of the MRM. **Yeah, brothers! Let's all band together, steal by force the women we want for ourselves, and share them amonst our BADASS selves! Cause we're BIG BAD MEN!!! Yeah!!!!**This is the drumbeat of Co-LOSER Brotherhood. Ragnar, co-founder of MGTOW, is all for it.MGTOW isn't some piddly little whiny group (well, they are, actually) of men who simply wish to go their own way. This is a fallacy that many members will continue to perpetuate in order to steer attention from the ugly underbelly of the movement. http://www.coalpha.org/What-is-a-co-alpha-male-td2773298.html
>I was checking out the link you gave, Miranda,and this is all what I found, 1 short comment by Ragnar, and I see no reason why he should not say that…Ragnar: 'Men, not manginas and thugs – great civilization and creating families….'What's wrong with that? And Ragnar, as far as I know is not living in the USA in North Carolina, I think he is an MRA in Northern Europe.About Miekyo, I don't know who this person is, never had any contact with him/her. Never seen an ID similar to that name in all these MRM Forums and blogs I am using.http://www.coalpha.org/What-is-a-co-alpha-male-td2773298.html Ragnar: Hi! Great idea with a Co-Alpha Brotherhood! The Co-A's is something I agree very much upon, even think that 'real' men are Co-A's, it's certainly not Manginas or Thugs. Co-A's are the ones who build great civilisations and created families, so count me in. If MRAs are so few, and if they really exist only in piddly little whiny groups, then I wonder why feminists are so much afraid of them…
>MirandaNow that we are seeing the last gasps of family and monogamy where do you suggest we look to understand mating patterns? Our new system is the same system that apes use, its a return to our more natural state, an unofficial harem in which a minority of men are objectified by the majority of women and the majority of men are seen as having no value to the hypergamous female, hence the new female classification of most males as the "loser that cant get a date" and the "creep".Anyhow, the MM is much more than what Ive seen shown here on this site, I had heard of MGTOW but still haven't been there, Ive never heard of your "co-alphas" and I occasionally stop by the Spearhead and make less than complementary posts directed at the extreme commentators, and Ive been a MR person for four years now.Whats more, men have been exposed to 50 years of lies and organised hate from feminism, its only natural for feminism having been so hostile towards men for so long and having intentionally rolled back civil and human rights for men for it to experience some form of blowback and problems and division between the sexes.
>@Yohan:"About Miekyo, I don't know who this person is, never had any contact with him/her. Never seen an ID similar to that name in all these MRM Forums and blogs I am using."He can be reached via private message on NiceGuy's forum; his username is "Meikyo" (profile here).
>Eoghan,Here is a partial quote from Frank Schmidt (fschmidt), founder of Co-Alpha (which can be found upon further reading on the same page that you quoted):"There are currently 2 other men in the private forum. One is Ragnar, who I met and I think he is trustworthy." So he wasn't just being complimentary about the idea, he is also a member of the private forum. But hey….it's a mighty jump to conclude that he might be part of Co-Alpha because of that, right? Lol….okay.Regarding your pretend ignorance of some of the people behind the MRM:http://www.inmalafide.com/2010/01/16/the-history-of-the-mens-rights-movement-according-to-fedrz/The MRM is small and irrelevant currently. But you guys are obviously trying to grow, and for those of us on the outside who see with great clarity exactly what you guys are doing, we would be remiss to simply ignore it. I know how easily people can be brainwashed, and I recognize the techniques when I see them, and I can't simply NOT say something about it.You are lying about your involvement, and you and I both know you are. Part of the genius of being an unorganized movement as you are is that there isn't one person to hold accountable for the actions of the group. It allows each and every member to point the finger at the group and say, "I'm not responsible for the garbage that comes from the group. They are." It was done purposefully, of that I can assure you.I KNOW that the MRM is more than what is seen on David's site. I know more about it than I ever wanted to. Sadly, I also know some women who have gone before me, who are now pretty much hiding in fear due to the retaliation that they faced from some of the members. It remains to be seen if I'm going to be harrassed as the women keep warning me. But oh welll….what am I gonna do? Keep quiet? I don't think so….Regarding the silly notion of men as losers and creeps, hey, what can I say…..you guys kinda are. I mean, you refer to women as sluts, toilets, worthless…..I can just imagine what some of you guys LOOK like. And you know, it IS our perogative to turn down as many guys as we want who are looking to nail us. You do realize that, right…?
>Ok MirandaYou are claiming that what is basically from what I can see, a conversation about the way females chose mates is some sort of heresy, making false allegations of abuse, calling people ugly, creeps and losers. Outside of the teen girl snark and ad hominem, you dont seem to be making much of a point.
>The two key elements of Eoghan's response:Projection and denial.How typical.
>Miranda, Im wondering what your response will be to another woman who is an MRA?I've posted at The Sexist, Toy Soldier, Anti-Misandry, Spearhead, A Voice for Men, and a few other message boards and forums both feminist and non. I have NEVER, on any site, been run off or group attacked by the men there for anything I've said, or just because I have tits. Actually, I've had support from MRA's on those sites, and no, it wasn't just to get in my pants. I've no idea what you are talking about when you spin this faerie story about women "hiding in fear of retaliation"…on the internet? Where are they hiding? It's the effing internet! If you can't ride out a debate or have a difference of opinion on a message board without having a nervous breakdown, then maybe you need to hide at the therapists office, or in the big group hug that feminism says it is. How can you honestly expect someone to NOT call you on your double talk? On one hand you come here full of rage, defining and redefining what the mens movement is, what it isn't and the personalities and looks of the men (and women, btw you sexist) who frequent the associated forums are. Then in the next breath, you go off the rails about how men, specifically mra men, have no business applying any of the same judgments to women, specifically feminist women. So one act is justified while the other is…..let me guess, male oppression of women?What, exactly, is your point in all of your ranting and raving? Simply that men are evil and women are virginal warrior princesses? Ok…that's fine if that's what you believe, but don't pretend like the virginal warrior princesses aren't equally guilty of slinging mud, your words here leave ample evidence of that.
>LOL….rage. You're cute, Natasha.Sadly, I've yet to see anyone actually address the points I've made. Just projection and more projection. Yawn……………….
>Miranda, you are confusing teen girl snark and fallacy with making points.
>You're not making any points, you're just cluttering the thread with old shitastic pseudo arguments and wont answer anyone's questions. We get it, you hate mra's and you've come to defend all your fellow women who are in some kind of interwebz hiding…awesome, you're such a brave little soldier.
>*and you're right, I AM cute 😉
>Although, I will say this. If you are indeed a female, I have to question why you would take up for a group of men who's goal is to oppress women (see link above) and whose members regularly belittle them. That's really sad, and I really feel sorry for you.
>…and in case you've gotten lost, this IS an anti-MRA website.
>That's your interpretation of the group Miranda, if you would pull your head out of your ass and actually LISTEN to what men are saying (the sane, logical, educated men, some of which are posting to you here on this thread), rather than CHOOSING to select a freak fringe of posters, then you might understand that. YES, there are some men who identify as mras who are nutjobs of the "fuck it, suck it, and shut it" ilk, but they are largely shunned by actually posters of substance. You also have a lunatic fringe in feminism, posters and members that make a mockery of the group by the simple action of just opening their goddamn mouths…ANY group has that element. Now lets let it GO….Serious question segment:1. The MRM's goal is not to oppress women, the MRM's goal is for legal, educational and social equality. Is that not also what feminism wants as well? Is it fair the almost always the default custodial parent in divorce is the mother? Is it fair that women rarely pay spousal or child support in the event of a divorce? What are your thoughts on these topics?2. Why would you feel sorry for a woman who chooses to belong to a certain group? I don;t feel sorry for you that you're a feminist.3. Can you not admit that both sides engage in hyperbolic arguments? That we both have a less than stellar element at times that choose to be in the forefront and making the rest of us groan and that should NEVER serve as the yardstick by which the entire movement should be measured?
>Miranda: this is an anti-MRA website, but MRAs are free to post here like anyone else so long as they follow the comment guidelines, like anyone else. Thanks very much for posting links and info about MGTOW history and the co-alpha guys. I will be writing a lot more about MGTOW in future posts. Eoghan: "David that book is border line fiction"And you know this how? Have you ever even looked at the book, held it in your hands, much less read it? I seriously doubt it. Lerner's book is a carefully and rigorously researched, and well-respected history of the origins of patriarchy. She deals explicitly and in a highly nuanced way with many of the issues you raise here all the time, including some you raise in the comment in which you dismiss the book as "borderline fiction." If you have read it, I'm curious if you remember her argument about women with power in society. What was it again? Natasha: If you've spent much time on the spearhead, certainly you've noticed the small but very vocal minority of MRAs who think women should have no part in the MRM. Those guys would run you off the forum if they could.
>David–Did you even read what I posted? Twice now? You're simply restating my point for me.I REALIZE there are groups within groups…this is my point…the "… small but very vocal minority of MRAs who think women should have no part in the MRM. Those guys would run you off the forum if they could" are to whom I am referring. Those guys are largely shunned by the more intellectual posters and tend to congregate amongst themselves.I was specifically invited to antimisandry by a staff member there. He also specifically warned me off of a handful of other members and cautioned me against posting my pic…because yes, these guys are of the fuck it suck and shut club. Antimis has since stopped allowing so much of that. The thinking was similar to AVfM in that they would allow a space for men to vent…kind of like the intent of some feminist blogs…Most of the site staff on the more mainstream mrm blogs/sites have just lately started to clean up the crazy juice from their membership, realizing that it does NOT do the mrm any good and that it DOES get picked up by feminist blogs and used to inaccurately characterize the more serious, active posters. One question for you David–Your comment about this being an anti-mra blog rather than a pro feminist blog led me to look at your banner…."manboobz: what's wrong with men's rights"…..are you actually stating that men having rights is wrong?
>Natasha, you posted your second comment while I was composing mine, and I didn't see it until after mine had been posted. I did see your first comment on the subject, and that's why I mentioned the spearhead. The guys I'm talking about, while in the minority, aren't fringe characters on the spearhead; they get regularly upvoted. One of them is a long-time MRA who seems to be treated with respect by most other MRAs. I'm not referring to guys like MikeeUSA; he is a fringe character and I don't quote his comments because he's largely shunned by the MRA and thus not typical. As for your last question, the answer is of course "no," as should be immediately clear from reading anything at all on this blog. Please look here: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/11/top-ten-dumb-things-to-assume-about-me.html
>David, you said""David that book is border line fiction"And you know this how? Have you ever even looked at the book, held it in your hands, much less read it? I seriously doubt it. Lerner's book is a carefully and rigorously researched, and well-respected history of the origins of patriarchy. She deals explicitly and in a highly nuanced way with many of the issues you raise here all the time, including some you raise in the comment in which you dismiss the book as "borderline fiction." David, here is a description of the book from amazon"From Library JournalUsing admittedly sparse prehistorical evidence, Lerner offers a plausible multicausal theory to explain the development of the patriarchical system."By its description its revisionist history, political fiction which is a hall mark of feminist academia and also other political groups in a similar vein to feminism. Its not to be taken literally.
>David, just because you say that your blog believes in men's rights, does not make it so. The content clearly does not reflect that.I can say that Im a short fat blond woman all day long and scream at people who dare argue with me, despite all the rational, physical evidence that Im a 6 ft tall 130 lb brunette. Using this is like arguing with flat earthers.