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Here are some of the things I have, er, “learned” about women from reading Men’s Rights/Men Going Their Own Way blogs and message boards.
This is part one in what will be, I suspect, a very lengthy series.
Women are: The missing link
All in all I am thoroughly convinced that women have all contempt for human life and are the missing link between apes and humans. This is a gender war, a GENDER WAR! and small innocent babies that are murdered and children that get abused are caught in the crossfires, and these females are utterly fucking useless and a waste of fucking breathing space. They have shown their true colors and we don’t need them anymore.
Women are: Nuclear waste
I have come to the conclusion that it’s not enough to avoid romantic relations with women. A man should take extra precautions to avoid even the most casual contact. Regard them as nuclear waste or a highly contagious disease.
Women are: In violation of the Geneva Convention
Women have no idea what they want, they need to be told and controlled. If you are too nice or become apathetic, you are fucking doomed. Either way, if you get married, you are doomed. Women are cunts, and they are absolute masters of mental torture and abuse. If we simply hired bitches to interrogate and torture all captured terrorists, the war on terror would be over in less than a year.
Women are: Unlovable humans
Men are lovable humans, unlike women. Men are the greatest ever treasure of gold, whom women worthless could never compare to or ever hold a candle to. … the male sex is ever superior to the weaker female one. Men in India are mistreated vis-à-vis females, to get the bitches feel dignified. This is against nature. … Men are taken advantage of by bitches (the woman race). … Woe betide women. I hate them too much, girls too.
NOTE: These comments do not reflect the opinions of all MRAs. But these sorts of things are posted constantly on MRA/MGTOW blogs and message boards, and are rarely challenged. Some, like the first comment here, may even receive multiple upvotes from other readers,
>Yes, I've seen comments such as these, and even worse, all over MRM boards and have noticed how many others agree with these views or upvote the comments. Some of these people scare me a lot.
>Reads like a mirror image of extreme feminism. These guys dont seem to realise that feminism will use them and their rhetoric to oppress the mrm and male victims of abuse.Christine stop telling lies.
>Ive been thinking about these posts, reading that sort of thing coming from men might be an eyeopener for feminists that have a difficult time conceptualizing why men are sick of the last 50 years of feminism polluting society, education and legal system with similar bile.
>What are you talking about Eoghan? Can you name a feminist blog that talks about men in the same hateful language, because I don't know any. Not saying the man-hating feminist doesn't exist, just that the vast, VAST majority of feminists do not hate men, and the ones who do probably don't have a very good understanding of what feminism is about. Also, men have been demeaning and dehumanizing women long before feminism came around. These kinds of posts aren't turning the tables on feminists, they're business as usual for a certain segment of men.
>Christina Accordong to feminist propaganda written byman haters men as a group "men have been demeaning and dehumanizing women long before feminism came around", you would have to hate men on a level to believe that in the first place. Notice how that sort of hate slips completely under your radar? You believe that the vast majority of feminist don't hate men yet you believe that "men have been demeaning and dehumanizing women long before feminism came around".You also claim that most feminist dont hate men while as you can see from this blog, most feminist support the oppression of male victims of domestic violence, sexual abuse by women, the removal of innocent until proven guilty in law and paint anyone that objects as pro rape, pro domestic violence and pro pedophilia. Thats hate, a mentality like that can only come from hate, you just dont recognize it is as hate, but history will tell a different story when it reflects on feminism.
>These comments are as inflammatory as some of the ones I've seen by Dworkin et al when they say such things as every sexual act is rape, every man is your potential rapist etc etc..the difference is this…the majority of actual mra's will say that statements like these are only representative of a fringe element within the mrm….when we call attention to those statements by Dworkin etc, all we get as a response is "oh you've taken it out of context" or "you just don't understand what she meant". How hard is it to understand this:"MAN: … an obsolete life form.." from A Feminist Dictionary", ed. Kramarae and Treichler, Pandora Press, 1985
>Christina said… What are you talking about Eoghan? Can you name a feminist blog that talks about men in the same hateful language, because I don't know any. What about: http://www.ihatemen.org/http://www.ihatemen.org/2010/09/29/cant-we-all-just-get-along/Comment by a visitor:There’s so much hate on here, it makes me sad. I hate seeing the sexes engaged in such a futile battle. It’s depressing to know that women have such a low opinion of men and that women are so convinced that all men are exactly the same.I’m only 19 and I have never done anything wrong to a woman so it’s really disheartening to see all this hatred directed at my gender, it puts me off. Sexism just begets sexism, there is no need for it. Some men are good, some men are bad. Some women are good, some women are bad.
>Christineany political movement, that maps the characteristics and behaviour of an extreme and criminal element of a group onto all the members of that group and blames said group for all that is wrong, while holding their own group as the group with the pure blood or morals, is a hate movement, and every feminist and feminist blog is involved in this lie that is perpetrated against men, with few exceptions.
>Natasha: Dworkin gets criticized by feminists all the time, including me. She was crazy and extreme. Her quotes are as bad in context as they are out of context."the majority of actual mra's will say that statements like these are only representative of a fringe element within the mrm"Not true. These sorts of comments are rarely challenged by others in the MRM online. Frankly misogynistic and hateful comments regularly get dozens of upvotes from MRAs on The Spearhead. The first comment I mention in this post got upvoted. When I posted my "worst of the MRA" post one MRA blog responded by defending almost all of the egregious stuff I had quoted. (I added a link at the bottom of the post.)
>"any political movement, that maps the characteristics and behaviour of an extreme and criminal element of a group onto all the members of that group and blames said group for all that is wrong, while holding their own group as the group with the pure blood or morals, is a hate movement, and every feminist and feminist blog is involved in this lie that is perpetrated against men, with few exceptions."Again, assertions without evidence. Look on this blog for blanket statements about men being evil, the source of all problems, etc. You will find none. See my "dumb things to assume about this blog" post for a fuller statement on this point. Look at the posts of any blog in my "friends list" for the same sort of thing. You won't find anything like it. If someone makes a comment like that on this blog or any other blog in my "friends list" you can bet it is roundly condemned by other feminists. There is far more of this kind of hate in the MRM than there is among feminists.
>Yohan, ihatemen.org is NOT A FEMINIST BLOG. I went back through many dozens of posts on there. Not a single mention of feminism.
>@ David""the majority of actual mra's will say that statements like these are only representative of a fringe element within the mrm"Not true. These sorts of comments are rarely challenged by others in the MRM online. Frankly misogynistic and hateful comments regularly get dozens of upvotes from MRAs on The Spearhead. The first comment I mention in this post got upvoted"Has it not occurred to you that the mens rights people that are not interested in extreme commentary are not in these places and therefore cant thumb this sort of commentary down? I think it that it has.Feminists believe in patriarchal abuse theory the protection of abusers that look like them and the marginalizing of their victims. They support civil and human rights abuse like the removal of the presumption of innocence. Hate is widespread in feminism, feminists just dont know its hate.
>@Eoghan Re: "men have been demeaning and dehumanizing women long before feminism came around"That statement's not hateful, it's true. Take, for example, the long history of Eve, and women by extension, being blamed for the fall of man. Women were considered property, not allowed to own anything and weren't allowed to vote; all of this was based on the idea that a woman was less of a person than a man. If that's not dehumanizing and demeaning, I don't know what is. Pointing this out does not mean I hate men. It does not mean I blame modern men for the oppression of women in the past, hell, I don't even blame men in the past for the oppression of women, to do so would be ignorant. You have displayed a remarkable ability to misinterpret things and twist them for your own purposes.
>CristineReligion is not "men", religion is top down control that oppressed both men and women. This is something else that feminism does to manipulate and mislead, it tells its followers that "men" in general are responsible for the actions of the ruling class."Women were considered property" not true, women had to be passed from father to another man out of necessity, no birth control no female friendly jobs, you see, independence was near impossible for women, independence became possible came later through male technology. "not allowed to own anything and weren't allowed to vote"Not true, and women got the vote only a few decades after men did."all of this was based on the idea that a woman was less of a person than a man. If that's not dehumanizing and demeaning, I don't know what is"Person as in the legal fiction? you are incorrect, blacks legal dictionary describes both men and women as legal persons.You see, you believe in an artificial version of history in which all men were responsible for ruling class systems. Men as a group were never responsible for ruling class systems or oppression, a minority of ruling class families were.
>In the same way that the jews next door had nothing to do with the financial crash before the great depression, men in general had nothing to do with ruling class systems, in fact men in general were oppressed harder by these systems and women were generally protected from the worst of it.Feminism uses the same lies about men in general that the nazis used against jews in general.
>@ David"Again, assertions without evidence. Look on this blog for blanket statements about men being evil, the source of all problems, etc."Prime example here David"Re: "men have been demeaning and dehumanizing women long before feminism came around"That statement's not hateful, it's true. Take, for example, the long history of Eve, and women by extension, being blamed for the fall of man. Women were considered property, not allowed to own anything and weren't allowed to vote; all of this was based on the idea that a woman was less of a person than a man. If that's not dehumanizing and demeaning, I don't know what is"Christina has been told and believes that men in general were responsible for the systems that were put in place by the ruling class, this misguided belief that men in general were responsible for ruling class systems is widespread among feminists.
>"Re: "men have been demeaning and dehumanizing women long before feminism came around" This is a rather twisted and weird statement, as it does not consider any other circumstances.A white women in USA 150 years ago had a much higher status than a black man. – A poor male worker working in a mine or doing some other labour had a much lower status than the British Queen or the Austrian Empress. -Even here in Japanese history, the Empress Go-Sakuramachi in 1762 was a powerful woman, while Japanese male farmers were even not allowed to live their village.Nowadays it's about money, a rich woman has much more to say than a poor man, regardless of gender. (Paris Hilton is a good example)A minor even as a male, as less to say than his mother. etc. etc.In the past there were even powerful women who sent countless men into their death as soldiers, sailors, workers etc., even male children were used for such deadly jobs.To say ALL females are oppressed and ALL males are dehumanizing all females is truly bare nonsense.
>@EoghanSo… men in the ruling class don't count as men?You're doing a brilliant job of ignoring the fact that throughout most of history men as a class have been privileged at the expense of women, as a class.@YohanIntersectionality – look it up."To say ALL females are oppressed and ALL males are dehumanizing all females is truly bare nonsense."…which is why no one is saying that.
>So Christine, According to you the men that where left in the factories and mines after women who with the help of men successfully fought for their right to be spared the horror were privileged at the expense of women, and a million other logical flaws with the hateful propaganda that is feminist pseudo history.
>Yeah… men were the oppressed ones, because women got the cushy job. They got to stay at home, and not have the freedom to have a life outside the home, and be defined as anything other than wife and mother. Also, I'm ChristinA. ChristinE is a different person altogether.
>"men have been demeaning and dehumanizing women long before feminism came around""I have to disagree with this statement as well. It's not so much that it's untrue as that it's such an incredibly overstated, generalized one. For much of history, almost no one had any power or control over their lives, not their own or anyone else, regardless of sex 🙁 For hundreds of years many men weren't even allowed to leave their village. Didn't earn wages. Didn't own property. That's not power. However,"Not true, and women got the vote only a few decades after men did"is also untrue. The right to vote for men came over a hundred years before women's right to vote in many countries. And Eoghan, women worked just as much as men in most times, often more so because they were responsible for childcare as well as factory work or farm work.
>Eoghan, Yohan, I really suggest you read this book, and get back to me after you're done: http://www.amazon.com/Creation-Patriarchy-Women-History/dp/0195051858/
>@Christina:"[Women] got to stay at home, and not have the freedom to have a life outside the home, and be defined as anything other than wife and mother."Do you know of the jurisdiction and the law that prohibited women from working a paid job?
>Christina"yeah… men were the oppressed ones, because women got the cushy job. They got to stay at home, and not have the freedom to have a life outside the home, and be defined as anything other than wife and mother." Oppression was class oppression, there was never a situation where oppression was divided along the lines of gender and generally, worker positions tended to be worse than being at home, its clear thats what women felt during the industrial revolution when the ruling class made its attempt at dual income families, women fought against it. Whats more women only became suitable long term workers with the advent of birth control and the surplus pf female friendly jobs, once that happened women were maneuvered into the position of worker, by the ruling class. Your version of history paint over the shared oppression of men and women.David that book is border line fiction and anyway, patriarchy was in inevitable situation brought about by certain factors. For example, when a woman was old enough to leave the home, she had no birth control, didn't possess the physical strength to support herself alone and there were little or no jobs for her, her not going straight to a husband would have meant a very cruel situation in which she was reliant on charity and prostitution, the means for independence came later on, with technology.
>All MRA'sWhy is it that the MRM keeps insisting that there was never such a thing as women's oppression? This is nothing more than a brainwashing tactic. You guys spread the word about the MRM to friends who've recently been hurt by a female and/or the family court system because you know that, in order to get men in line with the sick, twisted thinking of the MRM, you have to appeal to them on an emotional level. What better way that what I just mentioned? That's also why you over-exaggerate the incidents of false DV accusations, paternity issues and the stupidity, sluttiness and inferiority of women—when you make them believe nearly ALL other men who've been married were innocent men who got screwed over by women and the court system, you are able to foster this us-against-them mentality. (And by you, I mean the MRM, because regardless of yours and others' claims to the contrary, it most certainly is a MOVEMENT).You come here and insist that feminists are the bad guys, that the things they say are far worse than that of MRA's. You guys also claim that the vitriolic language towards women is not prevalent in the MRM. You know, you guys remind me of the man who, upon having been caught redhanded cheating on your wife, insist that such a thing never happened. It's like you think that if you deny reality enough times, people will substitute their own judgements for your lies. And it's effective. It's a technique referred to as gaslighting. Abusive people do it to their victims. You guys to it to everyone in defense of your disgusting movement.And we could all take quote after quote after quote to show what you guys are really about, but to me, it's more effective to just let people know the simple truth.The MRM isn't about equal rights, the purpose of the MRM is to rescind the rights that women currently have, because the men in the MRM believe that the act of granting equality to women diminishes them as men. You do not just want to help victims of DV who are male, or who have been falsly accused of DV or rape. You have zero interest in these issues. Instead, this, as I stated earlier, is to create an atmosphere within the MRM of hysteria, fear and hatred towards women, so that eventually the members believe that taking the rights from women is completely justified. How do I know this? Well, the stated purpose of MGTOW is a starting point. Ragnar, who along with Miekyo (sp?) had a meeting in, what, October 2004? in North Carolina to discuss some issues that the MRM was having at the time. That was when they came up with MGTOW and Ragnar articulated the goals into a MGTOW Manifesto. So Ragnar is one of two who came up with the MGTOW idea.cont.