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>Men’s Rights Myth: False Rape Accusations

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Men’s Rights Movement Claim: A high percentage — 40% or more — of rape accusations are false.

The Facts: This claim is dubious. The studies claiming these high numbers have been debunked. Better studies estimate the rate of false accusations as being in the single digits, generally in a range from 2-8%.

Here are some useful posts and papers on the subject. You’ll notice they don’t all agree with one another; It’s a complicated subject. 

False Rape Allegations Are Rare (YesMeansYes)
Excerpt:

The reputable, methodologically sound reviews put the frequency of false reports in the single-digit percentages. There are people who, for propaganda reasons, keep saying that the incidence of false reports is much higher. They create these figures with biased reviews or intellectually dishonest mislabeling. … A new study … based on a review of every single rape allegation made to a US university police department — the study does not disclose which school — over a ten year period. The result: 5.9 percent false allegations.

Critique of Eugene Kanin’s Study Of False Rape Reports (Alas, a blog)
Excerpt:

Eugene Kanin famously found that 41%, or perhaps 50%, of rapes reported to police are false. Kanin’s study is both badly designed and unverifiable; more reliable studies have found that between 2% and 8% of rapes reported to police are false reports.

Here’s the Kanin study being discussed. (pdf).

False Allegations Of Rape Not Common – Or Are They? (Alas, a blog)
More on Kanin.

Report on False Reporting Of Non-Stranger Rapes (abyss2hope)
A discussion of a paper that notes:

In the research literature, estimates for the percentage of sexual assault reports that are false have varied widely, virtually across the entire possible spectrum. For example, a very comprehensive review article documented estimates from 1.5% to 90% (Rumney, 2006). However, very few of these estimates are based on research that could be considered credible. Most are reported without the kind of information that would be needed to evaluate their reliability and validity. A few are little more than published opinions, based either on personal experience or a non-systematic review (e.g. of police files, interviews with police investigators, or other information with unknown reliability and validity).

The paper reviews recent research and notes that the most credible studies find “the rate of false reporting for sexual assault is in the range of 2-8%.”

NOTE: the link to the study on abyss2hope is broken. This one works. (It’s a pdf.)

Why it’s so hard to quantify false rape charges, by Emily Bazelon and Rachael Larimore (Slate) 

[I]sn’t the rate of false rape charges an empirical question, with a specific answer that isn’t vulnerable to ideological twisting? Yes and no. There has been a burst of research on this subject. Some of it is careful, but much of it is questionable. While most of the good studies converge at a rate of about 8 percent to 10 percent for false rape charges, the literature isn’t quite definitive enough to stamp out the far higher estimates.

Anti-feminist myths debunked (Pandagon)
Contains an interesting discussion of the Kanin study.

Claims about McDowell’s research into false rape allegations are not credible (Feminist Critics)
Discussion of another study that found a high percentage of false accusations.

Why Women Allegedly Lie About Rape (abyss2hope)
Also discusses McDowell’s Air Force study

The myth of women’s false accusations of domestic violence and rape and misuse of protection orders (Michael Flood)
Excerpt:

Myth: Women routinely make up allegations of domestic violence and rape, including to gain advantage in family law cases. And women use protection orders to remove men from their homes or deny contact with children.

Facts: The risk of domestic violence increases at the time of separation. Most allegations of domestic violence in the context of family law proceedings are made in good faith and with support and evidence for their claims. Rates of false accusations of rape are very low. Women living with domestic violence often do not take out protection orders and do so only as a last resort. Protection orders provide an effective means of reducing women’s vulnerability to violence.

Note: I think this paper lowballs the estimate of false rape accusations. See the YesMeansYes article above for what I think is a more reasonable take.

False Allegations, Recantations, and Unfounding in the Context of Sexual Assault, Oregon Attorney General’s Sexual Assault Task Force (pdf)
Explains why recantations cannot be taken as definitive proof that an allegation is false.

Because recantation is used so frequently by victims to halt criminal justice involvement, it should never be seen, in and of itself, as indicative of a false report.

Another kind of false allegation:

The myth of false accusations of child abuse (Michael Flood)
Excerpt:

Myth: Women routinely make false accusations of child abuse or domestic violence to gain advantage in family law proceedings and to arbitrarily deny their ex-partners’ access to the children.

Facts: Allegations of child abuse are rare. False allegations are rare; False allegations are made by fathers and mothers at equal rates; The child abuse often takes place in families where there is also domestic violence; Allegations of child abuse rarely result in the denial of parental contact.

(Note: Most data cited from Australia.)

Rape Myths Past and Present

An article in the British magazine New Statesman, by Joanna Bourke, Professor of History at Birkbeck and author of Rape: A History from the 1860s to the Present (Virago, 2007). Excerpt:

[W]hat is the risk of an accused man being falsely accused of rape? Popular prejudices estimate that around half of rape victims are lying, but a major Home Office research project in 2000-2003 concluded that only three per cent of rape allegations were false. Indeed, contrary to the notion that men are at risk of being falsely accused, it is much more common for actual rapists to get away with their actions. Around four-fifths of rapes are never reported to the police. And only five per cent of rapes reported to the police ever end in a conviction. This is the lowest attrition rate of any country in Europe, except for Ireland.

None of this is to say that people aren’t falsely accused — of rape, and of other crimes — or falsely convicted. They are, and it’s a tragedy. Here are two groups that advocate for the the falsely accused and falsely convicted:

The Innocence Project

The National Center for Reason and Justice

NOTE: I have added text and links to this post since I originally posted it.

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Yohan
9 years ago

>@racingthoughtMRAs are never accusing women for 'mistakes' – why should we do that?'Mistakes' happen frequently and suddenly a wrong person is the suspect. Without any bad intention of the victim. This might happen out of various circumstances, it was nighttime, she saw him only a few seconds. etc. etc. Again, something happened and the victim makes a mistake identifying a wrong person.However, MRAs are talking about malicious women, who are reporting crimes which never took place, malicious women who are accusing totally innocent men for sex-crimes solely out of their bad mood. I give you one example, so you will understand about what kind of women I am talking.These 2 false rape allegations are a felony, links below, but these women are getting away with very lenient sentences and no talk about any compensation for the innocent male victim and their family members.MRAs want to see these women in jail for a very long time, similar to the crime of rape.What's wrong with that? For saying this I and many other MRAs are misogynists, anti-feminist trolls or what?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1186202/The-rape-lies-ruined-lives-Taxi-driver-wife-reveal-devastating-cost-drunk-teenager-cried-rape.htmland another one…http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-450374/Two-months-girl-rape-lie-ruined-cabbies-life.html

DarkSideCat
9 years ago

>@Yohan, US criminal defendents have a constitutional right to a lawyer and, if they cannot afford the fees, the state pays. It is only in civil cases that a person may be left without the ability to get a lawyer, in criminal cases the defendent always has the right to one. Police are even required to inform those they arrest that they have the right to an attorney and that if they cannot afford one one will be provided to them at the state's expense (this is part of a standardized legal disclosure of rights called the Miranda Warning which is also Constitutionally required). The state pays for your lawyers and experts if you are accused of a crime and financially cannot afford to do so yourself. In US criminal cases, the prosecutor does not represent the victim, he represents the state. "Women claiming to be raped (whatever 'rape' might mean in USA) will get assistance free of charge" is not true insofar as the courts or healthcare systems go. The state or the 'people' are the prosecutor's client, not the victim. If a woman brings a civil case, she has to compensate her lawyer like any other civil plaintiff. "In US, false rape allegations are not really seen to be a crime" False reporting of a crime is a crime under US law. Also, the low conviction rates you so tout are pretty damned good evidence that juries are not just taking every rape case and automatically finding the defendent guilty. There is far more bias against victims than against the accused in this system. Just look at Dias, who thinks that women who consensually have sex on more than one prior occasion cannot be raped and are automatically less credible."Anonymity for life. You think this is right?" The US legal system is set up so that the trial records, containing the full name of the victim, are public record. Often, gynecological results and explicit details of her rape are publicly available to anyone who goes into the courthouse (or library, depending on the area). There is no anonymity for any crime victim in the US whose case goes to court. So tell me, if victim anonymity drives high rates of accusation of rape, how come the lack of anonymity in the US system hasn't results in US accusation rates being much, much lower?Let me say this again, though, that a lack of a conviction does not equal a false report. The high legal standard of 'proof beyond a reasonable doubt' is set up so that more guilty walk free than innocents get falsely convicted. Also, when there is bias against the victim of a crime, convictions are lower. Black women who accuse white men of rape have their rapists convicted at a lower rater than white women who accuse white men of rape. Why? Not because black women lie more, but because juries are made up of people, some of whom are racist. Some jurors are also sexist. You know, people like Dias who think the idea that when your partner explicitly says 'no' and you keep going, it is radical to call that a rape.

John Dias
9 years ago

>@DarkSideCat:[Quoting Yohan]: "In US, false rape allegations are not really seen to be a crime" [Answering Yohan]: "False reporting of a crime is a crime under US law."U.S. law requires that criminal charges be brought by either a District Attorney or a grand jury. They are not automatic. If there is a strong cultural bias that discourages prosecuting false accusers, then they won't be prosecuted as often. Issuing an indictment is thus an act that is subject to political winds. Just because the law authorizes the prosecutor to indict, that alone does not guarantee an indictment against a false accuser by any stretch.@DarkSideCat:"Just look at Dias, who thinks that women who consensually have sex on more than one prior occasion cannot be raped and are automatically less credible."You're telling one whopper of a lie! Just because I want the jury to have all of the available evidence that does not mean that I am saying that the evidence automatically disconfirms the possibility that a crime occurred.@DarkSideCat:"Some jurors are also sexist. You know, people like Dias who think the idea that when your partner explicitly says 'no' and you keep going, it is radical to call that a rape."Where have I ever said this? Citation please! Otherwise please put on the Dunce Cap!

Yohan
9 years ago

>Black women who accuse white men of rape have their rapists convicted at a lower rater than white women who accuse white men of rape. Why? Such a question is typical only for the USA. I do not know any other country, where the race of a person is playing such an influencial role.Not because black women lie more, but because juries are made up of people, some of whom are racist.What shall a judge/DA/police investigators ets. really do in a case like the Duke, where a black stripper is accusing plenty of white men? Of course they will check for any evidence independent of the word of the accuser, but there is no evidence of a rape, more the opposite and the accuser is changing her story all the time. So what to do?I got the impression so far about USA, that the juries are biased against the man regardless if white or black or Asian. Again the Duke case showed us worldwide, that the black female stripper got by far more public support than these white men.Not to forget to mention, that this black stripper was never facing criminal charges for her lies. So how can you say, the juries etc. are biased against a black woman?more guilty walk free than innocents get falsely convictedYou can say this about any crime, theft for example…However indeed, there are plenty of MEN who spent decades in prison for crimes they did not commit.http://www.innocenceproject.org/Never heard about a single woman who spent so much time in jail, despite she was innocent…I do not know even one.But for sure if the accused person is a female, she gets automatically more lenient sentences solely out of her gender…http://ideas.repec.org/p/iza/izadps/dp2870.htmlDo You Receive a Lighter Prison Sentence Because You Are a Woman? An Economic Analysis of Federal Criminal Sentencing Guidelines

DarkSideCat
9 years ago

>@Yohan, funny that you couldn't find one, because here's what three seconds and a search for the word woman found from the innocence project http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Women_and_Innocence_Building_a_Network.php Reading and understanding your own sources helps. Men commit a much higher percentage of violent crimes in the US (as well as a much higher percentage of other crimes as well), so they often make up a majority in any discussion about post-conviction rights, not because they are falsely convicted at higher rates, the sheer difference in number of cases is enough.There is also well documented bias against black defendents in generally. The idea that jury would never have racial bias in a US trial is flat out absurd.

Yohan
9 years ago

>Men commit a much higher percentage of violent crimes in the US (as well as a much higher percentage of other crimes as well)This does not explain why women are receiving in general more lenient sentences.The idea that jury would never have racial bias in a US trial is flat out absurd. As I said already as a non-US-citizen and not living in USA, race seems to play a major influence even in courts. That's not everywhere worldwide like that. USA is a sad example of a strange form of confusing justice itself – while complaining and interfering into human rights, women rights, even animal rights, religious values etc. of other countries.There are other circumstances also to consider, it's not only about race – for example the gender, a black woman and a group of white men – and now is the jury biased? Against whom?About biased, tell me, how to make use out of the legal system? Of course, very typical for USA, you need much money – unusual much money. USA has the most expensive legal system in this world. No money, no rights…

Kratch
9 years ago

>"What protections and or laws have MRAs tried to legislate for, not say they agree with, or claim they would be for, but ACTUALLY pushed for in order to make sure these rapists are punished for their crimes?" More harsh and consistent consequences for proven, malicious false rape accusers. No light slaps on the hands, no walking away with guilty expressions and nothing more, but actual punishment… Consequences.The focus on convicting "proven" false accusers should in no way deter true victims from coming forward. But it should deter the false accusers, which should leave those who are truly victims appearing even more credible. In addition, this would result in a higher conviction rate, as less false allegations would find it's way to courts to subsequently be dismissed (AKA, non-convictions). This is true, regardless of the actual number of false allegations going to trial, unless it truly is 0% as some people wish to believe (IE, those saying that all cases without convictions are actually real, honest to goodness rapes that let the rapist walk free)"Why do MRAs seem to think that it is okay that most rapes go unpunished?"Because we don't actually believe that is the case.DarkSideCat Said: "Let me say this again, though, that a lack of a conviction does not equal a false report."But at the same time, a lack of conviction also doesn't equal a rapist walking free. And this is the stand many feminists are taking. Both MRA's and feminists are drawing in those non-convictions as evidence of their side, and the truth is, those non-convictions are completely unknown (though, it is my perception that it is harder to prove a false accusation is actually maliciously false (and thus a crime of false reporting), then it is to fail to prosecute an actual rapist, provided the rape was reported soon enough. Therefor, more false allegations go unidentified then rapists go free). They quite possibly do represent, in part, both arguments, though in what proportions we can not know (and what proportion represent mistaken identification or questionable interpretations of rape itself (Assange case))

Daniel Z
9 years ago

>@John Dias: I am someone who was falsely accused of sexual assault once. I believe that people are far to quick to dismiss men and the pain that they go through because they have been falsely accused. But this: "2. Slightly radical: Non-compliance with verbal objectionsRape has occurred when the victim says "no" but otherwise doesn't resist or try to escape. Also known as date rape."… makes you an idiot. If the victim says no, it is rape. Period. You cannot demand that people react to sexual violence in the same way. Some people's natural reaction to an assault will be to fight back. Other people will just shut down. If a woman tells you no, stop touching her and go away. There is nothing even the least bit radical about that. "3. Radical: Lack of explicit verbal consentRape has occurred because the perpetrator didn't get the victim to explicitly agree to sex prior to the onset of sexual activity (i.e. the lack of a "yes" constitutes a "no")."Again, not radical. Your partner should always explicitly agree to sexual activity. If she does not, it is rape. Period. Now, that explicit agreement need not be verbal but it needs to be in some form that is clear. If you have any doubt, don't whip it out.

Chris
Chris
7 years ago

We are currently dealing with a false accusation from a women in a nasty divorce who has been using restraining orders and rape allegations to punish. The major problem is that the police do not investigate and DAs are willing to lock people up with absolutely no proof. Law enforcement needs to step in and charge with filing a false police report. This behavior makes it more difficult for actual victims to get justice.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

I have a minor plant related emergency here, so I have nothing of substance to say, but maybe try posting on an active thread? There’s an open thread where it wouldn’t even be off topic.

Ally S
7 years ago

Oh, wow, I just scrolled up and saw John Dias. Glad that dude isn’t around anymore. >_>

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

The major problem is that the police do not investigate and DAs are willing to lock people up with absolutely no proof.

Codswallop. The major problem here is that the myth of false rape allegations means that victims are not believed.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

And just to clarify, for those lacking reading comprehensive (gives hard stare at Chris), I mean victims. of rape.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Eoghan!! Ok, that alone makes me want to go back to rehanging my plants. At least I caught the rod before it totally pulled out of the wall! (Long story sort, I got a proper hanging planter for my umbrella tree, went to hang it and OH FUCK the rod is hanging on by one nail! I’ve sent the long screws and am waiting until I stop sweating to hang the plants back up)

Ok, emergency over, let me attempt coherent advice for Chris. Admittedly, IANAL and the one I worked for Did Not Touch family court (litigation pays better and people are generally less angry).

Disclaimer over, don’t the police need a report to press charges? Have you filed one for the false reporting? As DSC said above, they don’t automatically press charges for a false report (and zie is a law student) so I’d assume you’d need to file a separate report.

Anyone around here more versed in lawyery stuff? Or…Chris your wording almost makes it sounds like you(r firm) is a lawyer…

In which case, yes, cops stepping up their game would be awesome.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

titanblue — yes and no. Duh about the myth of false accusations, but divorce court definitely gets real fucking messy, and police pretty much never investigate claims that uh, bullet points…

— from divorce court claims, unless a proper police complaint is filed
— without a complaint, ever
— about past events, with caveats — things just coming to light where there may still be evidence it ends up coming down to the cop’s mood, prejudices, etc. Making claims of previous abuse pretty much never investigated cuz that whole myth of false claims thing

On the flip side, DA’s don’t do the locking up. The cops do. So the two don’t really square.

Given Chris didn’t frame it in “all women!!!11!!!” terms, I’m giving him(?) the benefit of the doubt that’s he’s tied up in a nasty divorce. Because they definitely do happen, just not with anything like the frequency MRAs claim.

Which brings me to! MRAs do men in nasty divorces a serious disservice claiming that they’re inherently screwed and shit. Like, Chris, you do have a lawyer right? If not, get one, now. If not, try here for info on pro bono divorce lawyers — http://www.attorneys.com/divorce/finding-a-pro-bono-divorce-lawyer-and-other-free-resources/

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Chris’s phrasing doesn’t help with the meaning. Who’s “we,” for a start? What’s the bit about “police don’t investigate” supposed to mean? It reads like one can get an intervention order and claim rape and some guy will be locked up at the snap of one’s fingers. Which doesn’t sound remotely like the way most violence against women is treated by US police, or most other police, for that matter.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Is it the royal we? We are not amused.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

If someone necros a 2 year year old thread to toss out vague allegations of false rape accusations, I’m going to be more than doubtful, I’m afraid.

Hope the umbrella tree survived the plant emergency, Argenti.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Is it the royal we? We are not amused.

Every time I say “It’s just us!” when I arrive at work the boss thinks I’m using the royal we. I am, but it’s the royal both of us. 🙂

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

My god, a thread this old got necroed? Wow.

Man, I don’t want Chris to be multi…

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

titanblue — the umbrella tree, and the rest, are fine. Went to hang the umbrella tree in its new (and proper) planter and HOLY SHIT THAT BAR IS GOING TO FALL!!

So really, the umbrella tree is a plant hero, it saved the rest of the plants from. The badness that could’ve occurred (holy shit, it just occurred to me that that distance, shattered terra cotta at the velocity…it could’ve shattered the tank…*gives the umbrella tree a medal*)

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

Yea the umbrella tree! 🙂

Jo
Jo
4 years ago

Heya. Stumbled on this with a search so you may already have this covered. If not, here’s a couple of useful references – one a more recent study on false reports, and one that addresses the same question by asking men how often they rape.

Home Office study and useful article about it:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/13/rape-investigations-belief-false-accusations

http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/latest_news/under_the_spotlight/

How often do men say they rape?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11991158
(paywalled link but google the title and there is an unlinkable .pdf at the top of the results)

There have been a dozen or so of these studies done, the link above combines four of them to look at wider criminality too. Estimates range from 6-15% of men admitting they have raped at least once by the time they were asked these questions (mid-twenties sort of age group wide-range of ages included). Almost all start as teenagers, some become highly prolific repeat rapists.

None of these studies are generalisable because they tend to use student or military cohorts and we have good reason to think that this sort of environment may increase the risk of rape: hierarchy produces power and rapists don’t often attack people who are more likely to be believed than they are; time spent in all male groups is a risk factor for raping but this may be down to voluntarily spending your time like that so the direction(s) of the causal arrow are unclear.

6..4% admitting to a mean of 4 rapes each by their early mid-twenties (on average) suggests that women are under-reporting rape even to anonymous crime surveys.