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Looking back through older posts on the OneY subreddit on Reddit, a relatively new and very promising subreddit devoted to men’s issues, I ran across a surprisingly civil and illuminating discussion of prison rape jokes. “Scarletbanner” opened the discussion by asking why there is a double standard with regard to these jokes:
As someone [who’s] majoring in Criminal Justice, I hear comments when the topic of women being raped that it’s “fucked up shit”, yet when the subject turns to prison rape, it’s a massive joke… from derogatory comments regarding sexual preference to “don’t drop the soap”. Between 43,000-140,000+ are raped each year ffs, with men (especially homosexuals) as the largest targeted group…
The typical Men’s Rights take on this is that there’s a double standard “because nobody gives a shit about men,” as EddieVanHelsing put it in a comment there. This explanation doesn’t take us very far, given that women are also raped in prison, and that people make jokes about that too.
Others in the discussion offered more incisive takes on the issue. puffinmuffin pointed out that
the problem is NO ONE CARES about people in jail. No one gives a shit about prisoner’s rights. It really isn’t an issue about raping, it’s an issue about the fucked up system that no one cares enough to fix. Conditions in a lot of jails are downright abhorrent. Unsanitary environments, abuse, horrid bureaucracy … But no one cares. They think, “Oh, well, they’re criminals so they deserve whatever.”
Archythearchivist, a self-described “XX, card carrying, baby eatin’ feminist” suggested that the double standard
is perhaps more indicative of the way that masculinity is viewed. Male rape is funny (to some) because it subverts common narratives of male virility and roles. It’s a “joke” where the main idea is that the world is a certain way, and only certain less masculine men would be raped. … It bases itself on a world that supposedly does not exist, at least not for “real” men. … These jokes should be considered as tasteless and hateful as any other rape joke.
But perhaps the most thoughtful comment came from AlphaCygni, who noted that there had recently been a post on Reddit
from a guy who had been sexually abused in a juvenile detention facility. Apparently there was systematic abuse and rape of young boys within this facility. What struck me the most about the [discussion of this on Reddit] was the number of individuals asking the victim why he didn’t just bite the dicks of his attackers. It was a situation so far out of their mindset, they couldn’t imagine how a person can be made to feel so powerless and scared that their primary focus is on staying alive rather than avoiding emasculation. Rape as a real possibility is something that just never seriously occurs to most men and, since they never think about, they can’t place themselves in the victim’s shoes. …
All that being said, I do know some women who joke about rape. I know a rape victim who makes rape jokes. I know other rape victims who can’t stand them. I think if more people could experience what it’s like to be the object of unwanted, intense, sexual attraction by someone who is more powerful than you, there would be less rape jokes overall except by those who enjoy gallows humor. I think that if more men were allowed to openly share their rape experiences and men were to listen to these poor individuals and try to put themselves in their shoes instead of asking how they could allow such a thing to happen, or discounting their masculinity, prison rape jokes wouldn’t be seen widely as funny.
The whole comment is worth reading; this is only an excerpt.
Prison rape is a disgrace, and jokes about it don’t help. Because most of those in prison are male, it primarily affects men. But women in prison are more than twice as likely to be raped or abused by other inmates than men. And, as Scarletbanner alluded to in the comment that started off the discussion, gays (and transsexuals) face a much higher risk of rape in prison.
I’m preparing a “further reading” post on prison rape, but in the meantime if you’re looking for more information on the subject, I suggest you start with the fact sheets on the web site of Just Detention International, a human rights advocacy group working to stop sexual abuse in detention facilities worldwide; the pictures I used to illustrate this post come from a media campaign by the group.
>Another great post David, yes we should suppress male victims of prison rape in the name of feminism too and of course the people that object to that are politically incorrect. Men make up 30% of rape victims outside of prison and the number of men raped in prison out numbers the number of women that are raped outside.That said, I dont think that victims or rape should be prioritized on the basis of their sex or orientation as you are suggesting here.
>Some reading on politically incorrect victims of rape herehttp://feck-blog.blogspot.com/search/label/Raped%20malesI think this is a good topic for you to raise, its another area of victim hood and perpetration that is not at all gendered but is presented to us as such by the feminist propaganda machine.
>Here are some more mra douchbags advocating for politically incorrect victims locked out by the feminist monopoly, you should mock them next.. http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/but then you dont really have to mock them directly when you can just stereotype them by making out that the worst, most obscure commentary you can find is representive of them by showing it to your gullible readership in a vacume.
>"This explanation doesn't take us very far, given that women are also raped in prison, and that people make jokes about that too."You forgot to hyperlink that to an example of a joke being made about women raped in prison. Oh, wait, you didn't forget, you just couldn't link to such an example because none exist.
>MRA's wouldn't help the woman either way…and Paul Elam and his worshipers would set her rapist free.
>Cold: try this google search for a start:http://www.google.com/search?q=prison+bull+dyke&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>"the number of men raped in prison out numbers the number of women that are raped outside." This is simply false; my upcoming "further reading" post on prison rape will go into the numbers.
>LOLChristine, dont try to pretend that an extremist stand against feminist reductions in legal, civil and human rights is the same thing as wanting all rapists free, yourself and David mock and oppress politically incorrect abuse victims and misrepresent in order to discredit all their advocates. Feminism is the moral low ground here and this site is an advertisment for feminist malevolence and bigotry.
>Oh David, you've set yourself up as judge, jury and exectuioner of abuse victims, you think your get to decide which ones exist and which ones don't, which ones deserve help and which ones dont, all based on whether they are politically correct or not, of course.Even if you can use numbers to suppress male victims of rape in prison, 30% of rape victims outside prison are male and the prison count easily pushes the total number if male rape victims in society above that of female.Its such a shame that your victim politics reduces abuse victims to political pawns. It will so much less tastless when the feminist monopoly and view on victimhood is replaced by humanitarian ideals and there is no longer such a thing as worthy and unworthy victims.
>Uh, where exactly have any of us mocked male victims of abuse?
>@David,Is there an option on this blog that will allow me to completely "ignore" an obnoxious person, perhaps block all their comments from my view?
>Here you go David, victims to mock and suppress.. ^ Human Rights WatchNo Escape: Male Rape In U.S. Prisons. Part VII. Anomaly or Epidemic: The Incidence of Prisoner-on-Prisoner Rape.; estimates that 100,000-140,000 violent male-male rapes occur in U.S. prisons annually; compare with FBI statistics that estimate 90,000 violent male-female rapes occur annually.[www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/violent_crime/forcible_rape.html^ Robert W. Dumond, "Ignominious Victims: Effective Treatment of Male Sexual Assault in Prison," August 15, 1995, p. 2; states that "evidence suggests that [male-male sexual assault in prison] may a staggering problem"). Quoted in Mariner, Joanne. 2001. "No Escape: Male Rape In U.S. Prisons. ISBN 1564322580^ Struckman-Johnson, Cindy and David Struckman Johnson. 2006. A Comparison of Sexual Coercion Experiences Reported by Men and Women in Prison. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, Vol. 21, No. 12, 1591-1615 (2006)DOI: 10.1177/0886260506294240; reports that "Greater percentages of men (70%) than women (29%) reported that their incident resulted in oral, vaginal, or anal sex. More men (54%) than women (28%) reported an incident that was classified as rape."
>Here are some douchbag mras with their typical "girls behaving badly" craphttp://female-offenders.com/Safehouse/Oh and heres that clip about feminist supression of politically incorrect victims of CSA againhttp://www.manwomanmyth.com/video/family/child-abuse/better run off and find a comment by some fool to use to discredit and stereotype these douchbag advocates for politically incorrect CSA victims, right David?
>Eoghan: Several of those links on prison rape are already in the "further reading" post I just posted. How on earth does anything I've written on the subject count as "mocking" or "suppression?" Christine, unfortunately, no.
>WTF are you on about, Eoghan?! Nobody here is mocking or suppressing male victims of rape! Or is it bothering you that, at least in this particular instance, David doesn't agree with the standard, catch-all MRA mantra, "because nobody gives a shit about men" to explain why prison rape seems to be a big joke to many? That certainly doesn't mean that David (or anyone else here or elsewhere, for that matter) thinks that prison rape and prison rape jokes are A-okay!But if you want to stick with "because nobody gives a shit about men", it seems to me that men raping other men in prison and men joking about prison rape points to the fact that MEN don't give a shit about OTHER MEN, and that has NOTHING to do with feminism, since men raping other men was happening LOOOOOONG before feminism existed!!The first Prisoners' Voices comment at the site for which you provided a link, Eoghan, is very telling to me:"I had no choice but to submit to being Inmate B's prison wife. Out of fear for my life, I submitted to sucking his dick, being fucked in my ass, and performing other duties as a woman, such as making his bed. In all reality, I was his slave, as the Officials of the Arkansas Department of Corrections under the ‘color of law' did absolutely nothing"He was treated like a woman and had to submit to being another inmate's wife. So the misandry expressed by prison rape (and jokes about it) is deeply rooted in misogyny.
>This is what your blog seems to be about David, suppressing voices that advocate for fair treatment for politically incorrect abuse victims with mockery and claiming that their exclusion by the feminist controlled abuse industry is justified.You focus on foolish comments and misrepresenting comments from a couple of areas of the mrm, and pretend that they are representive of the whole.
>"So the misandry expressed by prison rape (and jokes about it) is deeply rooted in misogyny."And homophobia: as I note in my latest post, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender inmates are 15 times more likely to be raped.
>Eoghan: how does linking to the same sources you linked to count as "suppression?"
>You're right, David, I was referring only to the misandry of heterosexual male on male prison rape, and I should have clarified that.I also am of the opinion that male-to-male homophobia is, in large part, rooted in misogyny as well.
>DavidPam, male on male rape doesn't victimize women, dont try to capitalize on male rape victims by making it about women.David you are playing politics with rape victims, your "futher reading" is slanted at prioritizing the politically correct victims over the correct while discrediting sites that advocate for politically incorrect victims of csa.
>The man says it in his own words, Eoghan, "as a woman". I sure as hell didn't put those words in his mouth!!Now, does that mean that we should not focus on male victims of rape? No, it does not. Does that mean that a male cannot be a victim of rape, but only a woman? No, it does not. You're missing the point, as usual.
>I was going to comment and suggest you set up comment moderation on this blog, since you seem to get so much hostile traffic and responses containing personal attacks.Then I realised these comments actually serve as reinforcement to your message – commenters like Eoghan are writing their own condemnation by totally missing the point and making a loud embarrassing fuss of it under all your articles.So… as you were, then.
>Miriam, that's pretty much how I see it too. But I don't leave things completely open any more. I experimented at first with leaving the comments completely unfiltered, and allowing anonymous comments. But the really noxious comments were hindering actual discussion. So now I do delete the most obnoxious slurs and personal attacks as soon as I see them.
>" Cold: try this google search for a start: http://www.google.com/search?q=prison+bull+dyke&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a"Results of that search:"Your search – http://www.google.com/search?q=prison+bull+dyke&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org … – did not match any documents."Stat classy, Fucktrelle.
>http://www.google.com/search?q=prison+bull+dyke