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Here’s an enlightening little discussion going on currently on the Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) forum. Under the misleadingly jaunty title “Funny Feminist antics at work” Junior MGTOW Member lovekraft describes a horrific new feminist abomination against men: chair dragging! CHAIR DRAGGING!!
Here I am at work, concentrating, when suddenly we hear the loud scraping noise of metal chair legs being dragged across the workfloor. For about a minute this goes on.
The dragger is an old Feminist who likely wouldn’t have thought how irritating this noise was and how easy it would be to just ask a man to carry it for her.
But being the feminist, this thought never crossed her mind and instead everyone had to be irritated.
spidey weighs in with this observation:
That’s what seperates men from women. We can show consideration for others and we like to do things efficiently
dontmarry, a keen student of human nature, offers some possible explanations for her behavior:
Over here where I work, office chairs can be easily carried by the weakest human being. The bigger ones have wheels beneath, so you push them over a carpeted floor.
Unless it was some kind of exceptionally heavy and unusual chair, all I can say is that she’s a cunt deliberately trying to annoy everyone else in the office. That time of the month? Her man didn’t call? Someone she desired didn’t add her on Facebook?
But it is garvan — his name perhaps a misspelled tribute to the legendary Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute? — who offers the most carefully reasoned explanation for the chair-drag:
She knew exactly how annoying it was, and did it for the attention.
When a woman’s looks no longer get attention, she’ll annoy the fuck out of everyone to get it.
Don’t believe me? … Look to the Wal-Mart whales that make a public display of their lack of child rearing skills by having their child cry as they yell and belittle their kid in front of every other customer to see. Look to every “strong” feminist woman who’s every action is to annoy the “patriarchy” by growing underarm hair, and yelling about how oppression is everywhere.
An old lonely woman with only cats as friends will scrape that chair across that floor because of her attention starved natured, and when everyone looks up with a grimace due to her actions, inside a little part of her will be validated. She feels like she almost exists in this world once more.
Let the lonely cunts suffer in their own prison. Had they went through the efforts of learning how to be a decent person when they were younger, they’d actually have friends and people who’d want to spend time with them. Instead they had to be a worthless annoying cunt.
The reality is this: No one wants to be friends with a bitter person who blames their problems on others ...
Hold that thought, dude. That last bit might be truer than you realize.
Somehow I’m thinking the women of the world aren’t missing much as a result of these particular men “going their own way.”
>November 4, 2010 9:43 AM Joe said… False rape accusations matter to people who are concerned with human rights in general. Yes, we know, they are called MRAs.And it's not only about false rape allegations, it's about violence from women against men in general.Violence from women to men exists and only an ignorant radical feminist will deny that. The question is however what is next? What happens with this woman who was deliberately accusing an innocent man for a crime which never took place?Answer: Nothing…
>@Yohan,I've never heard any one claim that women are never violent against men. The police arrest women for violence against men every single day. Those crimes are on the news and in the newspapers. There are women are in jails and prisons for the crime. I don't really understand the repeated claim that people deny it exists when no one is denying it exists. You also misunderstood Joe's point. Joe's point is that some people care about all victims, all humans, male and female. I don't see MRA's advocating for human rights, they only advocate for men, and they advocate against women.
>Communize the CuntRemoval of the female voicebox at birth"its my guess that it was written by a feminist and attributed to an mra."Oh right, of course, an MRA would never use deliberate dehumanizing and hateful rhetoric against women [roll eyes]If Rose DiManno, Andrea Dworkin, Elizabeth Stanton, etc., are/were married/married with children, they couldn't possibly use/have used deliberate dehumanizing and hateful rhetoric against men. My guess is that it was written by an MRA and attributed to them.
>@Christine…There are women are in jails and prisons for the crime. I don't really understand the repeated claim that people deny it exists when no one is denying it exists. Let me say, now are so many violent women, that it is impossible to deny they exist.MRAs are very active to point out that women are violent, too.What is the next step for feminists to protect their female criminal co-horts?http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23388859-womens-prisons-should-all-close-within-a-decade.doWomen's prisons 'should all close within a decade' All the women's jails would shut within the next decade, and could instead be converted into prisons for men. Christine, I recommend you to read also the follow-up comments of this article.Christine: I don't see MRA's advocating for human rights, they only advocate for men, and they advocate against women. MRM is an advocacy group for men. Why should 'ordinary men' not advocating for THEIR human rights? There are plenty of human rights organizations, which advocate human rights for women only, for example UNIFEM (for women), or UNICEF (for children and women), AI (Amnesty International doing research for rape in Sweden) etc. There are a lot of private organizations, receiving public funds for presenting women rights only (Tahirih for example, now cut down).Of course there is support for gay men, lesbian, transgender… all is about human rights for a certain group of people.There are even 'human rights' for apes.http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Bright-Green/2008/0627/spain-to-grant-some-human-rights-to-apesAnd there are rights for other animals, whales for example and even for lobsters (check out PETA)And now tell me do you know any organization for 'ordinary men'?
>Pam said… Communize the CuntRemoval of the female voicebox at birth"its my guess that it was written by a feminist and attributed to an mra."No, these are threads written by idiot-trolls straight from the loony bin.Most MR-forums I know are closing such crazy threads quickly to prevent follow-up comments, moving them with a disclaimer to a special section for isolation (called trolleville, the outer limits etc.) and restrict this 'member' to post only into this 'troll-only' section.I can only recommend the owner of this forum to create a rule how to deal with such troll postings. I agree, that such idiotism-threads should not be mixed up with regular threads in any MRM-related section of a forum.
>Those comments are on a par with feminist rhetoric. The Spearhead shouldnt leave them up there is a problem both extreme commentary from damaged individuals and with feminists trolling mens sites as extreme mras.Feminist troll or mra troll, its idiotic and I'd rather see the spearhead closed down than see it allowing commentary like that.As I keep saying to you here, extremists in a movement that the movement doesnt really want are not the same as an extreme movement fuelled at its core by hate.Ive actually taken a few of them to task over there about commentary, that end of the movement will stay online and hinder the progress for the rest of the movement. There is a blief among a minority that the hate should be mirrored straight back at feminism. I disagree and identify with the mrm/equity/real feminism end of the movement.
>I suspect that the extreme feminist site I found it on is behind it, the same deranged level of hate is directed a white heterosexual men on there, and the communize the cunt piece could easily have come from the same mind.
>"and Joe, your example of feminist supporting the falsely accused was politically motivated… it wasn't done out of a humanitarian desire to advocate for the falsely accused in general."You don't have the foggiest idea who you're talking about.http://www.communitycourtwatch.org/http://www.communitycourtwatch.org/taping-police.shtmlhttp://www.communitycourtwatch.org/sentencing.shtmlhttp://www.communitycourtwatch.org/equal-protection.shtmlhttp://www.communitycourtwatch.org/no-jail.shtmlhttp://www.communitycourtwatch.org/public-defender.shtmlhttp://www.communitycourtwatch.org/police-review.shtmlhttp://www.communitycourtwatch.org/tasers.shtmlThis is an organized, active group that is advocating for fair treatment by the courts on many fronts, and has had a significant impact locally, including the following:http://www.communitycourtwatch.org/about.shtml
>Oh Ok Joe, I jumped to a conclusion based on the few details you gave.Sound like this groups need to be attacking feminist jursipridence.http://www.mediaradar.org/
>"Most MR-forums I know are closing such crazy threads quickly to prevent follow-up comments, moving them with a disclaimer to a special section for isolation (called trolleville, the outer limits etc.) and restrict this 'member' to post only into this 'troll-only' section."Please show me examples of this. Many if not most MRA sites/forums I've been to are filled have lots of these sorts of topics.
>Well, maybe not as bad as those two in particular, but I see stuff about, say, taking away a woman's right to vote. The same guy who posted the "communize the cunt" post also posted one on the spearhead about taking away women's right to vote, and found a lot of people who agreed with him:http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1716
>@Yohan"This is true, there are some rants by some men who were badly treated by females in the past, but there is no organized all-female-hating literature existing from MRAS – big difference if you compare that with publications from feminists like Solanas, Hirshman and many others."Interestly, you're able to excuse these men. Do you not realize how many women in the feminist community have been raped, sexually abused as children, or been battered? Resorting to hatred isn't right in either case. But somehow it's a double standard in your mind. Which begs the question: how come in your mind said men get a free pass and excused but women who were seriously abused don't? What messed up thought process is behind that little jump around the truth? And I might also point out that feminism is an academic pursuit that's what? 40 years old? Anyone giving a cursory glance at feminism would realize that there's no singular view. Most feminists I identify with are sex-positive.How many feminist blogs do you read? Since the most common ones I know of are like Feministe, which is a pretty sex-positive blog, so it seems rather specious to focus on anti-men/porn feminism as "What Feminists Believe"(TM) since it does it even seem to reflect current mainstream feminism, which is sex-positive. Or maybe just all the blogs I read are…I would honestly like to see MRA blogs that didn't engage in hateful rhetoric, if you can suggest any.
>"I would honestly like to see MRA blogs that didn't engage in hateful rhetoric, if you can suggest any."Me too.
>@ David: Please show me examples of this. http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/Opposing ViewsTrollvillehttp://antimisandry.com/forums/Feminist Flipside
>TEC: I would honestly like to see MRA blogs that didn't engage in hateful rhetoric, if you can suggest any. I would honestly like to see feminist blogs that didn't engage in hateful rhetoric, if you can suggest any.
>Yohan, the "nice guy" forum is overflowing with guys attacking "skanks," "manginas," "pussy worshipers," and of course "c*nts." Sometimes all in one comment.Check out these search results for 128 more examples of c-word usage, in just one of the site's subforums, to start. This sort of casual misogyny won't get you moved to "trollville." Antimisandry is actually a less obnoxious than the other MRA forums I've been to, but it's far from perfect. See here.
>"I would honestly like to see feminist blogs that didn't engage in hateful rhetoric, if you can suggest any."You could start with the several dozen in my "friends list." I challenge you to find posts on any of them that are hateful, or hateful comments that aren't called out and criticized by other commenters. I will grant you that that one thoroughly obnoxious post on Jezebel that was discussed here recently. What else besides that one?
>TEC: Do you not realize how many women in the feminist community have been raped, sexually abused as children, or been battered?Do you not realize how many men in the MRM-community have been victims of false rape and DV allegations, sexually abused as children, or been battered? Cheated by their wives at home while as soldiers in combat, victims of paternity fraud, financially bankrupt and have seen their house gone while living in a van?Taken their children away etc. etc. etc.?You are talking as violence is only from men to women. What a nonsense. You are a dreamer, I cannot even call you anymore to be ignorant.
>David: You could start with the several dozen in my "friends list." I challenge you to find posts on any of them that are hateful, or hateful comments that aren't called out and criticized by other commenters. OK, David, just one example out of your 'friends list'….http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/10/explainer-whats-mra.htmlSo are MRAs concerned about anything other than raping and beating women? Oh, sure — they also don't want to pay child support…
>@Christine, you are wrong that over incarceration in the US is not a serious problem. It is. Except what MRAs can't seem to understand is that violent crimes make up a very small percentage of the US prison population. Only 4.5% of US prisoners are there for sex crimes (including sex crimes against children). For homicide, aggravated assault, kidnapping, and sex crimes taken together the percentage is 7.3%, whereas drug crimes are 51.5% and immigration offenses are 10.9%. http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp Throwing out bullshit about 'false rape' does nothing to explain the bloated US prison system. And Yohan is at it again with the assertions that male children and gay men are not 'ordinary men'. Tell me, who is an 'ordinary man' to you other than a rich, white, western, heterosexual, able bodied, christian, adul male? Also, wtf is up with the weirdness about animal rights? Animal rights movements exclude men because they are about animals? Last time I checked, the goal of animal rights organizations was not human rights, but rather the rights of non-human animals. Or do you think that the animal rights sect, which regularly contains men in leadership positions, selectively wants only rights for female animals?
>All right, that is a legitimate example of something that's not really fair to the MRM. I don't think it's anywhere near as hateful as, oh let's take a completely random example, what MRA sites have said about me. But, yeah, that MRA explainer is obnoxious. At the moment I'm assembling a list of general critiques of the MRM, and I'm not including it in the list, because I think it's unfair and basically stupid. What else you got?
>@YohanThat guy epitomizes the Nice Guy (TM) syndrome. Course, he's tamer than the sick stuff I've seen before, but still: "Misogynists aren't born- they're made. Be informed: as far as you American chicks are concerned, you have killed-off the nice guy inside me. Got that? You have alienated a formerly respectful and generous person and totally turned him against you! From 2002 onwards, I'm bestowing my respect and kindness strictly on non-American women. Because the American ones do not deserve a single speck of respect or kindness at all. "On another "Nice Guy" (TM)"that statement deserves highlighting again. 'You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy.' How clearer could the Nice Guy®'s antipathy toward this woman, and all women, be?"http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/12/explainer-what-is-nice-guy.htmlAs an aside, after I read about the "Nice Guy" (TM) I realized how many guys I had know IRL and online who claimed to be "nice" and then would just say the most awful, horrible things and would try to point it out that it was mean and hurtful, yet they would just go on and on. And I bought it, that they were "nice" – at least at first, but any time spent with them and they would just turn out to be such veritable monsters… anyways, the number of guys who claim to be "nice" but really fit the term "Nice Guy" (TM) so well, it might as well be a custom-made Italian suit that's a one-size-fits-all for misogynists…And yeah yeah, I get he's (apparently) only talking about Western Women (TM) so I should just "shut up and put up"… And here's an *ahem" "wonderful" post about false rape allegations:"That whole sexual history is not admissable shit always bothered me…Think about it. If I am a habitual B & E type, it would be prudent for the procecutor to bring my past… say three arrests for B & E up? Of course! It proves that the viability of the newest charges to be oh… I donno… possibly true? Notice I did not say verdicts. I said arrests intentionally.It STILL doesn't mean that I AM a thief. It means that I, for some odd reason, have the tendency to be either in the wrong place at the wrong time… alot! Or that I am just good at getting off."Here's a woman who was raped in her home by a burglar who she caught on tape admitting he raped her, but whom it was deemed "prejudicial" to bring up his existing B&E charges? http://jezebel.com/5676504/how-to-rape-a-woman-and-get-away-with-itIt boggles the mind that such people can assume innocence of the accused, but don't seem to think that same sentiment should in any way be applicable to the victim….
>My last comment was directed at Yohan. cat, yours was caught by the spam filter.
>@YohanNice straw argument. Where did I say violence only happens to women?Please point that out to me.Oh wait, no I didn't. But good tactic to avoid: Why do men get a free pass and women don't?
>@Tec,"Misogynists aren't born- they're made. Be informed: as far as you American chicks are concerned, you have killed-off the nice guy inside me…"For a moment there, I thought maybe you'd rubbed up against the infamous Globalman, but no, NiceGuy's comments are far too tame.