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Here’s an enlightening little discussion going on currently on the Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) forum. Under the misleadingly jaunty title “Funny Feminist antics at work” Junior MGTOW Member lovekraft describes a horrific new feminist abomination against men: chair dragging! CHAIR DRAGGING!!
Here I am at work, concentrating, when suddenly we hear the loud scraping noise of metal chair legs being dragged across the workfloor. For about a minute this goes on.
The dragger is an old Feminist who likely wouldn’t have thought how irritating this noise was and how easy it would be to just ask a man to carry it for her.
But being the feminist, this thought never crossed her mind and instead everyone had to be irritated.
spidey weighs in with this observation:
That’s what seperates men from women. We can show consideration for others and we like to do things efficiently
dontmarry, a keen student of human nature, offers some possible explanations for her behavior:
Over here where I work, office chairs can be easily carried by the weakest human being. The bigger ones have wheels beneath, so you push them over a carpeted floor.
Unless it was some kind of exceptionally heavy and unusual chair, all I can say is that she’s a cunt deliberately trying to annoy everyone else in the office. That time of the month? Her man didn’t call? Someone she desired didn’t add her on Facebook?
But it is garvan — his name perhaps a misspelled tribute to the legendary Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute? — who offers the most carefully reasoned explanation for the chair-drag:
She knew exactly how annoying it was, and did it for the attention.
When a woman’s looks no longer get attention, she’ll annoy the fuck out of everyone to get it.
Don’t believe me? … Look to the Wal-Mart whales that make a public display of their lack of child rearing skills by having their child cry as they yell and belittle their kid in front of every other customer to see. Look to every “strong” feminist woman who’s every action is to annoy the “patriarchy” by growing underarm hair, and yelling about how oppression is everywhere.
An old lonely woman with only cats as friends will scrape that chair across that floor because of her attention starved natured, and when everyone looks up with a grimace due to her actions, inside a little part of her will be validated. She feels like she almost exists in this world once more.
Let the lonely cunts suffer in their own prison. Had they went through the efforts of learning how to be a decent person when they were younger, they’d actually have friends and people who’d want to spend time with them. Instead they had to be a worthless annoying cunt.
The reality is this: No one wants to be friends with a bitter person who blames their problems on others ...
Hold that thought, dude. That last bit might be truer than you realize.
Somehow I’m thinking the women of the world aren’t missing much as a result of these particular men “going their own way.”
>"Had they went through the efforts of learning how to be a decent person when they were younger, they'd actually have friends and people who'd want to spend time with them"He certainly never bothered to learn how to be a decent person.
>@David,"Somehow I'm thinking the women of the world aren't missing much as a result of these particular men 'going their own way.' "You are right about that!
>Pots Kettle"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience." Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52..
>Eoghan, both are wrong. You seem to be of the mistaken belief that both are right.
>I dont really understand what you're saying Sandy.The point was that whatever rhetoric a minority in comments sections mens movement pages are generating, it is not generating the sort of organised and deliberate dehumanizing and hateful rhetoric that modern feminist leaders have.
>MRA leaders have plenty of organized and deliberate dehumanizing and hateful rhetoric against women. Not just against feminists, but women in general. PLENTY of it. Pot kettle.
>CristineFirstly you made that up and have not got any evidence to back up your claim, secondly the mens equality movement isnt a left wing Utopian movement that dehumanized the group that are labeled the oppressor class as a matter of course and deliberate strategy as feminism and the other Utopian social moments that went before it does.
>My point is that it is important to single out hateful rhetoric, and healthy for any movement to single out and denounce hateful rhetoric. It is not helpful to say "the other side also has hateful rhetoric, so shut up."You are mistaken as to the role of hateful rhetoric in feminism versus the role of hateful rhetoric in men's rights.
>Sandy, "You are mistaken as to the role of hateful rhetoric in feminism versus the role of hateful rhetoric in men's rights".I dont think so, feminism is top down political ideology that publishes deliberate ideological and hateful propaganda designed to dehumanize the target group, stereotyping them as a group of rapists, wife beaters, child abusers etc.The mens movement has no such characteristics, except when bringing to light the fact that women do all the same things that feminism slanders men for doing, and is largely a collection of blogs and rights groups that are reacting to feminisms polemic.If you are going to allege that hateful dehumanizing rhetoric and polemic pseudo research is being spread from the top down in an organised fashion by the mens movement leaders, as is the case with feminism, you should provide some evidence of that.
>If there was evidence, it would be published here instead of random quotes from a minority in comments sections and irrelevant stuff from the past.You dont get stuff like this.."In a recent television documentary called The Gender War, she proclaimed: “Men are animals.” "The documentary noted that the shelter had printed excerpts of an extremist American feminist manifesto called Scum, which stands for the Society for Cutting Up Men. In it, women are urged to “destroy the male sex” and seize the chance made possible by science of giving birth only to females".http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article581663.eceoutside of organised hate groups and extreme situations like rwanda, nazi germany, US progressive era and so on.
>@Eoghan,All anyone has to do is go to the MRM websites and read the headlines and articles and see that there is plenty of dehumanizing and hateful rhetoric against women. You can deny it, but it's all still there for all to see.
>Eogham, not only do you see such rhetoric from people who call themselves men's rights activists, you see it from people who call themselves democrats, republicans, and libertarians. Your bias is coloring your view. Hateful rhetoric is a problem every political group must address. It will not help to close your eyes and yell that other groups hateful rhetoric is more hateful.
>@David,I check your blog every day, funny stuff. I do like the postings from the comments. Considering that's where the majority of voices from MRM members are heard, it is highly relevant. Very enlightening stuff.
>Sandy you are deliberately missing the point, the mrm, the rebublicans, democrats or libertarians are not movements that are mainly empowered by depicting a target group as less than human. Political movements that do or have done that would be nazism v jews, feminism v men, KKK, muslims v infidels and kafiers, russians v chechens, israel v palistinians etc.They all depict their target groups as less than human.The mrm, republicans, democrats (these days) or libertarians dont engage in dehumanizing other societal groups, they dont play that type of political game, of course there are extremists in every group, but non of these groups are running hateful polmics.
>If you have proof of a libertarian, democrat, republican or mens right political group publishing propaganda or pseudo science thats intended to dehumanize another group on the basis of genetics or religion as part of an ongoing polemic (progressive era democrats excluded) publish it, or else you are just spinning your wheels here.
>@Christine:"All anyone has to do is go to the MRM websites and read the headlines and articles and see that there is plenty of dehumanizing and hateful rhetoric against women."Can you provide a couple of links to back this up?I would like to see what your definition of "hate" is exactly…
>Oh dear, does someone want to find Eoghan republicans, deomocrats, and libertarians intending to dehumanize another group on the basis of genetics or religion?Muslims spring to mind, also "illegal immigrants."
>And homosexuals:http://www.peoplesworld.org/ny-gop-candidate-engages-in-hate-speech/http://boingboing.net/submit/2010/09/republicans-senate-office-hurls-violent-anti-gay-hate-speech-and-gets-caught-via-ip-address.htmlBut all sides also makes such statements against each other, dehumanizing rebulicans or democrats in general. And MRAs certainly do this against women. Every political group has this problem with its fringe.
>That is to say, every political group has this problem with its fringe, and if it goes unaddressed, the fringe will take over the group.That is why it is important to single out and denounce such hate.
>@sandy:Waiting for those MRM links to back that up…I'd like to know how you define "hate"…
>Sandy, Why are you refusing to differentiate between political groups like as you said Republicans, that contain an extremist element and groups like feminism that run deliberately run dehumanizing polemics and propaganda against as a main characteristic?And given that you say "That is why it is important to single out and denounce such hate" do you agree that we should be challenging feminism?And where is your evidence that the mens movement is running a campaign of dehumanizing propaganda against another group in society from the top down?
>Eoghan, because just like any political group feminists have an extremist fringe. Why are you insisting on demonizing feminism and holding it to a higher standard than any other political group? We should single out and denounce such hate in feminism, the men's rights movement, the political parties, and any other organization we care about.Feminsim and Men's Rights has the same problem: fringe elements fueled by hate instead of desire to do good. Men's Rights groups need to start calling out and denouncing these members or they will be taken over by them.
>Do you or do you not denounce the comments quoted in this post?
>Which comments, about the chair? I think its a stupid comment on a stupid thread on a blog.Its, stupid but its not in the least bit comparable with top down organised political hate propaganda.This is hate" MAN: … an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched … a contradictory baby-man …""TESTOSTERONE POISONING: … 'Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from 'testosterone poisoning.'" from A Feminist Dictionary", ed. Kramarae and Treichler, Pandora Press, 1985" Its the same pseudo scientific argument made by racists and nazis and so on, rhetoric designed to dehumanize another group on the basis of their genetics.Im not holding feminism to a higher standard than the other groups you mention, feminism is at a lower standard and in a different category of group, the mrm, republicans, democrats and libertarians do not officially publish hate, a foolish supporter might do, bit its not top down hate as it is with feminism. If you are going to disagree again, find some evidence.
>David can troll the comments sections of blogs all he wants, he will find disgruntled males with no other outlet, he will find the odd idiot being homophobic, but he wont find the sort of organised, dehumanizing, political hatred that feminism is based on (real/equity/liberal feminists excluded)or a group like this one here that believe that victims of abuse and their children other than those of a certain group should be swept under the carpet and excluded from services.