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WTF is a MGTOW? A Glossary

On this blog, MRA does not mean Magnetic Resonance Angiography

For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.

First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:

MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.

Ok, so what do those terms mean?

MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether.  I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.

Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:

Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).

Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.

Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.

The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.

NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.

PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”

Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.

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  1. Saying “what if all men were like [pendragon]” is like saying “what if all the men suddenly turned into spaghetti”. You can talk about what the repercussions would be, but it’s pointless since it’s never going to happen.

  2. UT: Something that I need to address first, you guys are using Loretta post as if she/he unlocked some dynamic truth to what I wrote

    She did (only in that she beat me to it).

    There is no such thing as “equality only for yourselves”. That’s inequality. Now, if you want to argue that feminists aren’t actually arguing for equality for women… knock yourself out (I reccomend arranging a good slip and fall, it’s hard to give yourself an adequate whack with the clue x 4. One tends to flinch at the last moment).

    The nonsense about how we can’t afford to let people be themselves, they need to conform to your idea of what makes for reasonable gender roles… some “equalism”, since those gender roles are unequal in their function, and their social valuation.

    . Personally I don’t care what women do from this point, telling you what should be done isn’t why I’m here.

    Really?

    Let’s take a look.

    IMO Feminist would’ve had a better chance at achieving harmony if they would’ve simply talked with men and revamped gender roles rather than removing them.

    -1, for telling us what should be done.

    So what we have now in 2015 is an anything goes types system were people become consumed by their own individuality. They become dysfunctional

    -1.5 For burying the things which should be done in obfuscutory persiflage.

    Gender roles are needed in some way or form. The problem today is that there are none.

    -2 You not only said things should be done, you contradicted your previous statement that there are no rules by saying there are people who try to impose them, but the lack of social expectations of gender roles negates them.

    Since we have gender roles (to the tune that at 5 year old was denied entrance to Kindergarten because his hair was too long) I’ll tack on another -2 points for being too stupid to come up with an argument which wasn’t harder to falsify.

    So you lost 5.5 marks on just one comment.

    4. I needed proof of my own demographic conclusion. I don’t like generalizations without actually experiencing the behavior I’m basing it on. I don’t deal in absolutes unless there are grounds to do so.

    Now your just trying to make us laugh.

  3. Pendragon: Really? I thought I said things that were self evident! I get it you are scared of equality!
    Yes I value human life equally if a woman and man were dying in front of me and I could only save one I wouldn’t rush to aid the woman BECAUSE she is a woman.
    I want equal parental rights, consenting to sex (something I agree with whole hearted with) isn’t consenting to parenthood for women, why should it be for men?
    I don’t want anyone to suffer, men or women. I never said anything crazy, mysoginistic ect. You simply don’t like what I’m saying. I would “raise” the precent of female deaths in the workplace by simply having them work the same dangerous jobs men overwhelmingly work now. Why is the fact I wouldn’t care (and would prefer) safer conditions for both genders anti female. You don’t care that men die on the job in way higher numbers. You don’t care men commit suicide about 4 times as often as women, or that only a man will be drafted in the event of a war.

    So much bullshit.

    You don’t value human life equally. You said women needed to die at equal rates to men. If you valued life you would have said the deaths of men needed to be reduced.

    If you valued life you wouldn’t be looking to make children suffer by letting men “opt out” of supporting the child they helped create (if they don’t want to pay for children, they can get cut, or not fuck).

    You could have argued for a social support network which obviates the need for male support of children. That would be valuing life. You didn’t. You valued male money over the life of the child he begat.

    You say you don’t want anyone to suffer, but the only “suffering” you want to ameliorate is that of the males who want to skip out on their responsibilities, leaving the women and children they fuck, forget, and fuck over, to suffer.

    Only a man will be drafted?

    There is no draft. Hasn’t been a draft in the past 45 years. There won’t be another all male draft. If there is (again, not gonna happen) it’s not because feminists want it. Feminists are opposed to the draft altogether. They have also filed suits to get women included in selective service registration.

    Sou can fold that bullshit until it’s all points and use it as a suppository.

    You’re a lying hypocrite.

    By the way please pick apart my argument. Show me what’s wrong with what I’m saying.

    We have, you pretend otherwise.

    I WANT to have a debate and see the good qualities of this site and feminism. I stumbled upon this place and am kinda curious.

    I don’t believe you. I think you came here to stir shit and cackle about how you, “showed them”.

  4. Lol, didn`t take long for them to put words in my mouth did it?
    ” and you also blame women and think that they owe you sex”
    Never said or even implied any of it, but of course if i disagree with feminists on this it must mean i hate women. And if they cannot find any clue of then in my words, well, they will make one up.

    Typical, and utterly predictable response from feminists and their lapdogs. Dare to question anything in feminism and they cry misoginy. (As if this word even had a meaning after used every time someone dares to even look at a Woman.)

  5. Took you a whole month to come up with that response, huh, Muzolf?

    Here’s what you first wrote (which we can easily see by scrolling back a few pages):

    So, let us get this clear. If you are single, and you dare to be unhappy about it. (Regardless of why you think this is so.) This automaticly makes you an entitled asshole.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    Of course we have the other end of the scale, those who are single and not unhappy about it are even bigger assholes. (Those dirty MGTOW scum, you know) So if you are single, and a man (Because of course this only applies to men.), you are a bad person either way.

    But reading traditional feminist rethoric it is allso clear that each man with a girlfriend or a wife is oppressing her.

    So if your a man, you cannot win either way. You are the devil no matter what.

    And you wonder why someone might get the idea that feminists are men haters.

    Feminists have never said any of that, and neither did David nor anyone here.

    Who’s putting words in who’s mouth now?

  6. @Muzolf, did you know that on many an occasion if a woman disagrees with a man’s point of view or has a different opinion to him it has been widely reported that she must be, you know, one of those right on, rabid feminists who hates men. ‘I bet she has really short hair!!!’ they cry in unison. These fuckwits say this continually and on a daily basis mostly because a woman dares to have an opinion. Typical and utterly predictable response from ‘your lot’ right back atcha!

  7. Wow, a steaming pile of stereotypes and superficial impressions likely gathered from late-night arguments with pimple-faced teenagers on social media who wear the label (it sure as hell wasn’t formed while reading AVFM pieces!). Served up as … I don’t know, what is this supposed to be, journalism? It isn’t Woodward and Bernstein, that’s for sure. I don’t know what the fuck it is.

    Yeah let’s just gobble this shit up. No reason to think it’s a pile of crap, right?

  8. emilygoddess - MOD

    it sure as hell wasn’t formed while reading AVFM pieces!

    I love it when you assholes try to claim that AVfM is somehow less appallingly hateful than the unwashed masses of the manosphere. It’s not like any of us have read that spew for ourselves.

  9. Quick question… Which sect of men’s rights activists are the worst? I think the PUA’s are skum… Fucking asses all they want is sex

  10. Cocernedfeminist

    First time on this site and this is what I see… I am shocked to see even the mods engage in deviant behaviour as a feminist myself I am disgusted. Two wrongs don’t make a right maybe your parents should have brought you up better it doesn’t matter if trolls started it first you have a moral responsibility as moderators for this site. It pains my heart to see feminists such as myself degrade themselves to the derogatory behaviour of misogynists and believe it’s acceptable. I hope you will not continue to embarrass our movement in the future.

    A concerned Feminist.

  11. Is this a honest to goodness only-my-feminism-is-true-feminism (or do I smell straw?) concern troll? or maybe tone troll? He/she is kind of vague about what that “deviant behavior” he/she is so concerned about is. The swearing? The mocking? The cat gravatars? What? O.o

  12. Perhaps the deviant behavior is ending too many complete sentences with periods?

  13. Cocernedfeminist:

    Perhaps you meant to name yourself concernedfeminist, or rather concernedtroll.

    Please do define this ‘deviant behavior’ of the mods. I’m sure it will be amusing and enlightening.

    The horror! We can never recover a moral high ground because our mods told a random dude to zip it! Or called a boring tedious troll to stop being tedious or leave! Oh noes! We aren’t being all ladylike!

    Run away, run away!

    Someone grab my fainting couch! Clutch your pearls and kitties close!

    (By the way, mods, you’ve been rocking. Hence, annoyed sock)

  14. It’s the cats! The cats are deviant!

    SHAME ON YOU MAMMOTHS.

  15. It pains my heart to see feminists such as myself degrade themselves to the derogatory behaviour of misogynists and believe it’s acceptable.

    Eh heh. He he he.

  16. It’s bad enough being an unconvincing troll, you’d think you could at least construct sentences that make sense.

  17. It pains my heart! The PAIN!

  18. I think that might be heartburn, Concerned Feminist. You should take an antacid, see if that helps.

  19. as a feminist myself

    Whenever you see the phrase “as an X…” on the internet, you can almost always substitute “as the complete opposite of X…”

    But it is entertaining to hear what they think feminists sound like. Now, who’s up for some watercress sandwiches and tongue-clucking?

  20. Buttercup Q. Skullpants

    Well, apparently the blockquote monster is hungry.

  21. emilygoddess - MOD

    I believe I speak for David and Kittehs as well as myself when I say that we apologize for our deviant behavior. As duly appointed authority figures of some feminist blog on the internet, we are of course Official Representatives of Feminism and thus should behave in a professional, polite and cheerful manner at all times. If anyone should see us having fun or failing to coddle every single misogynist ever, feminism as a whole will be ruined, and it would be all our fault. We knew that, and yet we mocked anyway, and now the misogynists are totally justified in rejecting feminism.

    Sorry for ruining feminism, everyone. Our bad.

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