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WTF is a MGTOW? A Glossary

On this blog, MRA does not mean Magnetic Resonance Angiography

For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.

First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:

MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.

Ok, so what do those terms mean?

MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether.  I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.

Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:

Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).

Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.

Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.

The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.

NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.

PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”

Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.

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  1. Saying “what if all men were like [pendragon]” is like saying “what if all the men suddenly turned into spaghetti”. You can talk about what the repercussions would be, but it’s pointless since it’s never going to happen.

  2. UT: Something that I need to address first, you guys are using Loretta post as if she/he unlocked some dynamic truth to what I wrote

    She did (only in that she beat me to it).

    There is no such thing as “equality only for yourselves”. That’s inequality. Now, if you want to argue that feminists aren’t actually arguing for equality for women… knock yourself out (I reccomend arranging a good slip and fall, it’s hard to give yourself an adequate whack with the clue x 4. One tends to flinch at the last moment).

    The nonsense about how we can’t afford to let people be themselves, they need to conform to your idea of what makes for reasonable gender roles… some “equalism”, since those gender roles are unequal in their function, and their social valuation.

    . Personally I don’t care what women do from this point, telling you what should be done isn’t why I’m here.

    Really?

    Let’s take a look.

    IMO Feminist would’ve had a better chance at achieving harmony if they would’ve simply talked with men and revamped gender roles rather than removing them.

    -1, for telling us what should be done.

    So what we have now in 2015 is an anything goes types system were people become consumed by their own individuality. They become dysfunctional

    -1.5 For burying the things which should be done in obfuscutory persiflage.

    Gender roles are needed in some way or form. The problem today is that there are none.

    -2 You not only said things should be done, you contradicted your previous statement that there are no rules by saying there are people who try to impose them, but the lack of social expectations of gender roles negates them.

    Since we have gender roles (to the tune that at 5 year old was denied entrance to Kindergarten because his hair was too long) I’ll tack on another -2 points for being too stupid to come up with an argument which wasn’t harder to falsify.

    So you lost 5.5 marks on just one comment.

    4. I needed proof of my own demographic conclusion. I don’t like generalizations without actually experiencing the behavior I’m basing it on. I don’t deal in absolutes unless there are grounds to do so.

    Now your just trying to make us laugh.

  3. Pendragon: Really? I thought I said things that were self evident! I get it you are scared of equality!
    Yes I value human life equally if a woman and man were dying in front of me and I could only save one I wouldn’t rush to aid the woman BECAUSE she is a woman.
    I want equal parental rights, consenting to sex (something I agree with whole hearted with) isn’t consenting to parenthood for women, why should it be for men?
    I don’t want anyone to suffer, men or women. I never said anything crazy, mysoginistic ect. You simply don’t like what I’m saying. I would “raise” the precent of female deaths in the workplace by simply having them work the same dangerous jobs men overwhelmingly work now. Why is the fact I wouldn’t care (and would prefer) safer conditions for both genders anti female. You don’t care that men die on the job in way higher numbers. You don’t care men commit suicide about 4 times as often as women, or that only a man will be drafted in the event of a war.

    So much bullshit.

    You don’t value human life equally. You said women needed to die at equal rates to men. If you valued life you would have said the deaths of men needed to be reduced.

    If you valued life you wouldn’t be looking to make children suffer by letting men “opt out” of supporting the child they helped create (if they don’t want to pay for children, they can get cut, or not fuck).

    You could have argued for a social support network which obviates the need for male support of children. That would be valuing life. You didn’t. You valued male money over the life of the child he begat.

    You say you don’t want anyone to suffer, but the only “suffering” you want to ameliorate is that of the males who want to skip out on their responsibilities, leaving the women and children they fuck, forget, and fuck over, to suffer.

    Only a man will be drafted?

    There is no draft. Hasn’t been a draft in the past 45 years. There won’t be another all male draft. If there is (again, not gonna happen) it’s not because feminists want it. Feminists are opposed to the draft altogether. They have also filed suits to get women included in selective service registration.

    Sou can fold that bullshit until it’s all points and use it as a suppository.

    You’re a lying hypocrite.

    By the way please pick apart my argument. Show me what’s wrong with what I’m saying.

    We have, you pretend otherwise.

    I WANT to have a debate and see the good qualities of this site and feminism. I stumbled upon this place and am kinda curious.

    I don’t believe you. I think you came here to stir shit and cackle about how you, “showed them”.

  4. Lol, didn`t take long for them to put words in my mouth did it?
    ” and you also blame women and think that they owe you sex”
    Never said or even implied any of it, but of course if i disagree with feminists on this it must mean i hate women. And if they cannot find any clue of then in my words, well, they will make one up.

    Typical, and utterly predictable response from feminists and their lapdogs. Dare to question anything in feminism and they cry misoginy. (As if this word even had a meaning after used every time someone dares to even look at a Woman.)

  5. Took you a whole month to come up with that response, huh, Muzolf?

    Here’s what you first wrote (which we can easily see by scrolling back a few pages):

    So, let us get this clear. If you are single, and you dare to be unhappy about it. (Regardless of why you think this is so.) This automaticly makes you an entitled asshole.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    Of course we have the other end of the scale, those who are single and not unhappy about it are even bigger assholes. (Those dirty MGTOW scum, you know) So if you are single, and a man (Because of course this only applies to men.), you are a bad person either way.

    But reading traditional feminist rethoric it is allso clear that each man with a girlfriend or a wife is oppressing her.

    So if your a man, you cannot win either way. You are the devil no matter what.

    And you wonder why someone might get the idea that feminists are men haters.

    Feminists have never said any of that, and neither did David nor anyone here.

    Who’s putting words in who’s mouth now?

  6. @Muzolf, did you know that on many an occasion if a woman disagrees with a man’s point of view or has a different opinion to him it has been widely reported that she must be, you know, one of those right on, rabid feminists who hates men. ‘I bet she has really short hair!!!’ they cry in unison. These fuckwits say this continually and on a daily basis mostly because a woman dares to have an opinion. Typical and utterly predictable response from ‘your lot’ right back atcha!

  7. Wow, a steaming pile of stereotypes and superficial impressions likely gathered from late-night arguments with pimple-faced teenagers on social media who wear the label (it sure as hell wasn’t formed while reading AVFM pieces!). Served up as … I don’t know, what is this supposed to be, journalism? It isn’t Woodward and Bernstein, that’s for sure. I don’t know what the fuck it is.

    Yeah let’s just gobble this shit up. No reason to think it’s a pile of crap, right?

  8. emilygoddess - MOD

    it sure as hell wasn’t formed while reading AVFM pieces!

    I love it when you assholes try to claim that AVfM is somehow less appallingly hateful than the unwashed masses of the manosphere. It’s not like any of us have read that spew for ourselves.

  9. Quick question… Which sect of men’s rights activists are the worst? I think the PUA’s are skum… Fucking asses all they want is sex

  10. Cocernedfeminist

    First time on this site and this is what I see… I am shocked to see even the mods engage in deviant behaviour as a feminist myself I am disgusted. Two wrongs don’t make a right maybe your parents should have brought you up better it doesn’t matter if trolls started it first you have a moral responsibility as moderators for this site. It pains my heart to see feminists such as myself degrade themselves to the derogatory behaviour of misogynists and believe it’s acceptable. I hope you will not continue to embarrass our movement in the future.

    A concerned Feminist.

  11. Is this a honest to goodness only-my-feminism-is-true-feminism (or do I smell straw?) concern troll? or maybe tone troll? He/she is kind of vague about what that “deviant behavior” he/she is so concerned about is. The swearing? The mocking? The cat gravatars? What? O.o

  12. Perhaps the deviant behavior is ending too many complete sentences with periods?

  13. Cocernedfeminist:

    Perhaps you meant to name yourself concernedfeminist, or rather concernedtroll.

    Please do define this ‘deviant behavior’ of the mods. I’m sure it will be amusing and enlightening.

    The horror! We can never recover a moral high ground because our mods told a random dude to zip it! Or called a boring tedious troll to stop being tedious or leave! Oh noes! We aren’t being all ladylike!

    Run away, run away!

    Someone grab my fainting couch! Clutch your pearls and kitties close!

    (By the way, mods, you’ve been rocking. Hence, annoyed sock)

  14. It’s the cats! The cats are deviant!

    SHAME ON YOU MAMMOTHS.

  15. It pains my heart to see feminists such as myself degrade themselves to the derogatory behaviour of misogynists and believe it’s acceptable.

    Eh heh. He he he.

  16. It’s bad enough being an unconvincing troll, you’d think you could at least construct sentences that make sense.

  17. It pains my heart! The PAIN!

  18. I think that might be heartburn, Concerned Feminist. You should take an antacid, see if that helps.

  19. as a feminist myself

    Whenever you see the phrase “as an X…” on the internet, you can almost always substitute “as the complete opposite of X…”

    But it is entertaining to hear what they think feminists sound like. Now, who’s up for some watercress sandwiches and tongue-clucking?

  20. Buttercup Q. Skullpants

    Well, apparently the blockquote monster is hungry.

  21. emilygoddess - MOD

    I believe I speak for David and Kittehs as well as myself when I say that we apologize for our deviant behavior. As duly appointed authority figures of some feminist blog on the internet, we are of course Official Representatives of Feminism and thus should behave in a professional, polite and cheerful manner at all times. If anyone should see us having fun or failing to coddle every single misogynist ever, feminism as a whole will be ruined, and it would be all our fault. We knew that, and yet we mocked anyway, and now the misogynists are totally justified in rejecting feminism.

    Sorry for ruining feminism, everyone. Our bad.

  22. Let’s see.

    A woman can file a restraining order on a man and base it on nothing other than she “felt scared” regardless of any logical reason for her to fear a man that has never even looked at her in a cross manner.

    Once that is done, and she has drained all the bank accounts. He is deprived of his home and had his children removed from his custody, he is penniless and destitute so now she hits him with the divorce as she moves her new loser boyfriend in with her kids. The court orders that he take on all the bills, pay her maintenance, and punitive child support to the point that between taxes and her, he is left in a form of chattel slavery which he will never get out from under. He will only get to see the kids if she chooses to allow it, regardless of any court order.

    There is no equality before the courts between men and women or fathers and mothers. The man walks in and is presumed to be both guilty and evil until proven so. That is why I have taken to telling young men not to ever get married. There just isn’t anything in marriage that is worth that sort of risk.

  23. A woman can file a restraining order on a man and base it on nothing other than she “felt scared” regardless of any logical reason for her to fear a man that has never even looked at her in a cross manner.

    Once that is done, and she has drained all the bank accounts.

    I wasn’t aware that if you file a restraining order against someone, you get to drain their bank accounts.

    Brb. Going to file a restraining order against the Walton and Koch families.

  24. @Jim

    That’s a fine story. I have one too. It begins thus: “When Mr. Bilbo Baggins of Bag End announced that he would shortly be celebrating his eleventy-first birthday with a party of special magnificence, there was much talk and excitement in Hobbiton…”

  25. Ooh, can I take the Getty’s since they’re local?

  26. Jim reminds me of the chapter on custody disputes and divorce in Bancroft’s book. In short, Jim, please don’t date or marry anyone and feel free to encourage men who think like you to also not date anyone or marry anyone. And also don’t have kids. For their sake. Cause you’re waving so many red flags, you could hold a parade.

    “Several misleading arguments appear repeatedly in statements that abusers make during family court litigation. First is the claim that fathers are widely discriminated against by family courts in custody disputes. The research actually shows the opposite, that in fact fathers have been at a distinct advantage in custody battles in the United States since the late 1970s, when the maternal preference went out of vogue.”

    ““The abusive man’s high entitlement leads him to have unfair and unreasonable expectations, so that the relationship revolves around his demands. His attitude is: “You owe me.” … And he will keep feeling that you are controlling him, because he doesn’t believe that you should set any limits on his conduct or insist that he meet his responsibilities.”

    “The abuser does not believe, however, that his level of authority over the children should be in any way connected to his actual level of effort or sacrifice on their behalf, or to how much knowledge he actually has about who they are or what is going on in their lives. He considers it his right to make the ultimate determination of what is good for them even if he doesn’t attend to their needs or even if he only contributes to those aspects of child care that he enjoys or that make him look like a great dad in public.”

    — “Why Does He Do That: Inside The Mind of Angry and Controlling Men” by Lundy Bancroft

  27. Policy of Madness

    That is why I have taken to telling young men not to ever get married. There just isn’t anything in marriage that is worth that sort of risk.

    Good! Keep that up! Definitely improve the dating/marriage pool by removing from it yourself and everyone who thinks the way you do. Nobody misses you, or will even notice that you’ve taken 5 other misogynists with you.

  28. I am totally 100% supportive of Jim and like-minded men going their own way and leaving everyone else alone.

    That would be awesome if they’d just go away.

  29. ““The abusive man’s high entitlement leads him to have unfair and unreasonable expectations, so that the relationship revolves around his demands. His attitude is: “You owe me.” … And he will keep feeling that you are controlling him, because he doesn’t believe that you should set any limits on his conduct or insist that he meet his responsibilities.”

    Hmmmm:

    There is no equality before the courts between men and women or fathers and mothers. The man walks in and is presumed to be both guilty and evil until proven so. That is why I have taken to telling young men not to ever get married. There just isn’t anything in marriage that is worth that sort of risk.

    Wow, if YOU aren’t one of those, Jim, I don’t know who is!

  30. Thanks, Jim. You’re doing us a great service by excising yourself and dudes like you from the gene pool lest some poor creature find themself with one of you and have their life ruined.

  31. So, Jim, let me guess–divorce didn’t go so well for ya? Gee, I wonder why.

  32. Gotta love misogynistic dumbasses who are arrogant and entitled enough to believe that removing themselves from the dating pool will somehow be a huge blow against women everywhere.

    Grapes, sourness inherent in them, the usual.

  33. @hellkell:

    I hope it isn’t an auto-biography, because restraining orders can really only be issued when you can show evidence of abusive behavior. Ignoring the hyperbole, the rest can and probably would happen only when dealing with a particularly abusive partner (losing custody, being forced out of the house, having to pay for medical bills incurred by the abuse or legal fees, etc).

  34. Gotta love misogynistic dumbasses who are arrogant and entitled enough to believe that removing themselves from the dating pool will somehow be a huge blow against women everywhere.

    It’s so weird. They must assume that women need men to validate their existence, otherwise they wouldn’t expect anyone to care, right? They seem to genuinely believe that they’re going to knock womankind down a peg by announcing that they won’t date anyone. I really can’t begin to wrap my head around it.

  35. @bunnybunny:

    They must assume that women need men to validate their existence, otherwise they wouldn’t expect anyone to care, right?

    Which is pretty hilarious considering that they are removing themselves from the dating pool because they aren’t getting the attention they believe they deserve. Basically, it’s all more projection.

  36. The last guy I dated claimed women are privileged because all they have to do is say they’re scared or someone is stalking them and a man gets arrested and charged and his life is ruined. He actually claimed that if I approached an officer of the law and said “I’m scared of this guy” that he would be arrested, charged and would lose his career. Because apparently I have that power. I can make police officers do things and everyone believes everything I say because vulva.

    He also claimed women never get arrested because they start crying and police officers feel sorry for them. Never worked for me, I tell ya that much!

    Another gem was, based on remarks read on the Internet, he was certain if he were murdered by an intimate partner they wouldn’t be charged as she could just claim he was an abuser and she did it in self defense therefore it’s practically legal for women to murder male intimate partners. It happens all the time, apparently! Never mind the number of women slaughtered by their intimate partners every day. Let’s freak the fuck out about this unevidenced hypothetical based on fucking Internet commenters!

    What a fucking loser. He and Jim should eat Cheetos and mutually masturbate. Pass the Kleenex!

  37. Are all MRAs failed fiction writers?

  38. “Once upon a time…”

    It never ceases to amaze me how many people can start spewing faerie tales about How Things Happen without any evidence or support or citations and just believe people will take it as self-evident. Especially concerning easily disproven things like court proceedings, law, and speaking as though the anecdote was an Actual Thing that Happened to Someone instead of shit they pulled out their ass.

    Although I must say I’m also concerned about the calibre of feminists on this website. You are all too damn awesome. I mean, I’ve been away nearly a year and you’re STILL this awesome?? Wtf.

  39. kirbywarp: there’s a pretty good chance that guys with this mindset are in fact abusers.

  40. I don’t fucking believe this. Last night, I checked this thread for necro trolls, and HE POPPED UP THIS MORNING. I swear, my thoughts made it happen!

    And I think I speak for everyone when I tell Jim: “cool story bro.”

  41. I never thought I would give this advice to anyone, but if Jim could learn to write like Dan Brown, that would be an improvement.

  42. Jim should aim to sound less like the end speech from Falling Down. Yes, Jim, you are the bad guy.

  43. @ LBT

    Can you try to summon a more interesting/original troll next time? Maybe if you concentrate super hard.

  44. RE: cassandrakitty

    I promise, the next one I summon will be a psychic MRA tripping balls and talking about his special man castle surrounded by male-only guard dogs and soul infantry.

  45. Just so you know, I’m saving that for your next writeathon.

  46. I wonder if they’d write better if they were tripping balls. It would be hard for their writing to get any worse.

  47. A woman can file a restraining order on a man and base it on nothing other than she “felt scared” regardless of any logical reason for her to fear a man that has never even looked at her in a cross manner.

    Even if that was how restraining orders work (it isn’t, and I sincerely doubt that a guy with these attitudes hasn’t given a woman reason to feel scared), I wonder how Jim feels about Stand Your Ground laws, which do actually work like that.

    Stand-your-ground laws provide that individuals have no duty to retreat from a place where they have a right to be and may use any level of force, including lethal, if they reasonably believe they face an imminent and immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death.

    He said they are unconstitutionally vague since not one person is going to agree on what constitutes “reasonable fear”.

    “Stand your ground was a solution looking for a problem,” Crump said.

    From here.

  48. RE: Unimaginative

    Just so you know, I’m saving that for your next writeathon.

    That will be a very, very special story, I can assure you.

    “Just… I gotta keep out the YIN you know, or it taints my karma, man… that’s why I’ve got the spirit-Doberman guarding my psyche palace…”

  49. I was slightly disappointed MRA wasn’t referring to Magnetic Resonance Angiography, Because that shit saved my life.

    Now I’m just amused. Aren’t these guys just precious?

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