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A mammoth, hunted. By leocigale

A mammoth, hunted. By leocigale

We Hunted the Mammoth: The FAQ-ening

Q) A mammoth, huh? What’s this blog about?

A) Misogyny, not mammoths.

Specifically, this blog focuses on what I call the “New Misogyny,” an angry antifeminist backlash that has emerged like a boil on the ass of the internet over the last decade or so. These aren’t your traditional misogynists – the social conservatives and religious fundamentalists who make up much of the far right.

These are guys, mostly, who range in age from their teens to their fifties, who have embraced misogyny as an ideology, as a sort of symbolic solution to the frustrations in their lives – whether financial, social, or sexual.

Some of them identify as Men’s Rights Activists, trying to cast their peculiar struggle against what they see as the excess of feminism and the advantages of women as a civil rights issue of sorts. Alongside those who explicitly label themselves MRAs we find a great number of antifeminist and antiwomen activists we might call Men’s Rights-adjacent – like those in the Skeptic and Atheist subcultures who still haven’t gotten over an offhand remark Skepchick founder Rebecca Watson made about a dude in an elevator a couple of years ago.

Others proclaim themselves Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), declaring a sort of independence from women – while spending much of their time on message boards talking endlessly about them.

Still others see themselves as Pickup Artists (PUA), or masters of “Game,” espousing elaborate “scientific” theories of male superiority while trading tips on how best to pressure or manipulate drunk women into bed. This misogynistic wing of the PUA subculture has a considerable overlap with a subset of traditionalist and far-right blogs. Many of those in what has come to be called “the manosphere” — hey, don’t blame me, I didn’t come up with that name — don’t simply embrace misogyny; they also proudly embrace “scientific” racism and other bigotries.

Still, while some of the New Misogynists see themselves as conservatives, even “neo-reactionaries,” many identify themselves as libertarians or even as liberals. Theirs is a backlash that frames itself as a step forward.

That said, there are numerous posts here that don’t have anything to do with MRAs or MGTOWers or PUAs or any of their ilk. Sometimes I like to post cat pics.

Q) Ok, but you still haven’t explained the mammoth thing.

A) This is a reference to a quote I once posted from a dude who felt women weren’t sufficiently appreciative of what men had supposedly done for them over the ages. Here’s the quote, in all of its weird glory:

We men built a nice safe world for you all the the coal-mines of death, roads, railroads, bridges and tall office buildings. Its $1,000,000 spent per death of a man on a large dangerous project on average now you can just 9-5 it and call it a day in air-conditioned and heated safety. Forget about the wars we died in and the sacrifices made just ignore history or is it now hersorty? You are accruing the benefits without ever having to pay the price you still don’t have to sign up for the draft and who will protect you? The Sex and the City girls will fight off the North Koreans with their Manolo Blahniks?

Men gave you this modern world now you take it for granted we hunted the mammoth to feed you we died in burning buildings and were gassed in the trenches but that was just for fun right?

How quick and conveniently you forget who made this possible.

We gave you Leonardo da Vinci, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy not to mention countless others, Jonas Salk saved half the world from death and you just piss on it all.

This quote is such an amazing clusterfuck of misogyny, entitlement and unwarranted self-importance – not to mention historical ignorance – that the bit about mammoths became a catchphrase around here, neatly conveying pretty much everything this blog is against. And so I decided to make it the name of the blog.

Q) Wasn’t this blog called Man Boobz before?

A) Yes. That was a name I came up with on the spur of the moment when I first started this blog. But it was kind of a dopey name. It didn’t really fit what the blog has become, and I got a bit tired of explaining it to people.

Q) What were you thinking?

A) You see, the “Man Boobz” in question are the misogynistic dudes I write about on this blog. The term “boob,” in addition to meaning “breast,” can also mean “a nincompoop.” It’s a … double entendre? Ha ha!

Q) But you call yourself Manboobz, right?

A) No. I did post as Manboobz on a few sites, but just to identify myself as being connected to this blog. I’ve switched to using my real name.

Q) And what is that?

A) David Futrelle. I’m a freelance writer and blogger living in Chicago, and the guy behind the Confused Cats Against Feminism blog. For more on my illustrious career, see the David Futrelle FAQ.

Q) Do you hate men?

A) Nope.

Q) You’re against the Men’s Rights movement. Are you against men having rights?

A) Of course not. As hundreds of posts on this site show pretty clearly, the so-called Men’s Rights Movement is a hateful, reactionary movement driven largely by misogyny and hatred of feminism. It doesn’t help men. It encourages them to scapegoat women and stew in their own bitterness.

Q) Are you a feminist?

A) Well, yeah. Somehow this wasn’t really a big deal to anyone until I started making fun of misogynists online.

Q) If you’re a feminist, why do you let misogynists and other trolls post comments on your blog?

A) The point of this blog is to expose misogynists and the terrible things they say. So if misogynists want to come here and expose themselves with their own words, I say, why not let them? The feminist commenters here generally enjoy batting them around like a cat toy. That said, I ban those who are abusive, and I’m now setting aside some “no-troll, no-MRA” threads for those who want to discuss the issues, or whatever else they want to discuss, without being derailed or dogged by misogynists.

Q) Are you secretly funded by the international feminist conspiracy?

A) No. I’m not funded by any organization. Some readers have very kindly given me donations. You can too, if you wish. Click that button over there on the right.

Q) Do you advocate killing children?

A) No. Misogynists are assholes, and they tend not to like this blog. So they make up ridiculous shit about me all the time. If a misogynist or MRA says something about me, it is most likely completely untrue. Check their sources, if they have any, and you’ll see that their claims are bullshit.

Q) I heard some MRAs call you fat. Are you fat?

A) Yes, I am fat. This is one of the very few true things MRAs ever say about me. For some reason they like to mention this a lot, as if it’s somehow a rebuttal of what I write.

Q) What’s with all the cat pictures?

A) I like cats.

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  1. If only they would go live in a compound somewhere!

    Preferably somewhere with no internet connection.

  2. Please tell me you watched, or technically listened to, 40% of the three minute British guy one and not 40% of Elem’s hour and 20 minute interview of GWW.

    Ugh, yes, definitely the British one. I could never sit through that much of Elam or GWW, never mind both of them together.

  3. David, I have a quick question if you don’t mind. Why do your commenters take issue with people using the words “female” and “male”? I use them on my own blog as simply a different way of saying “woman” and “man”, since I hate unnecessary repetitiveness in a single post.

    Is there a major reason why these terms are “bad”, or is it an individual preference thing? Thanks in advance!

  4. So you’ve made a joke site to make snide fun of mra extremists and fringes instead of providing a forum for meaningful discussion for people who see the skyrocketing divorce rates, cheating, suicides, bad court rulings and general widespread misappropriation of values in society . Congratulations. A site so crappy it has no value even as entertainment, just a zone for otherwise HIGHLY similar people to take adhoc opposing views and flamewar each other

    Feminism should have ended when women were given the vote and were able to get into university on merit with equal chance of scholarship and the necessary advertisement, as well as access to non-elected government work again based on merit. I’m not against legitimate concerns but this incessant and unnecessary female empowerment aka pussy power tantrum ( ala the media, academia and politico, nothing against grassroots movements for a specific issue of real concern to people), being thrown since has got to stop. It highly distorts reality and is now an extremist pov in and of itself.

  5. Pussy Power Tantrum is the name Of My Band.

  6. A site so crappy it has no value even as entertainment

    Oops, I’ve mistakenly been entertained by this site. Sorry about that.

  7. That’ll show you, katz. I hope you’re suitably chastened.

  8. So you’ve made a joke site to make snide fun of mra extremists and fringes

    A cursory look at this website would reveal that these MRAs are not part of some “fringe.”

    instead of providing a forum for meaningful discussion for people who see the skyrocketing divorce rates, cheating, suicides, bad court rulings and general widespread misappropriation of values in society .

    This isn’t a discussion forum; it’s a place for mocking MRAs and their ilk. So you don’t have an argument I’m afraid.

  9. People who employ a phrase such as “pussy power tantrum” and declare to me when feminism should have ended are definitely my go-to source for determining who is fringe and extremist and who is not.

    into university on merit with equal chance of scholarship and the necessary advertisement, as well as access to non-elected government work again based on merit as well as access to non-elected government work again based on merit.

    What do all those words even mean? What’s the “necessary advertisement” for getting into university? What about women’s access to private sector work and to elected office?

  10. grumpycatisagirl

    Oops, I kind of messed up my cut and paste at the end of that. At least I got the block quote right.

    Maybe I didn’t have the necessary advertisement at university.

  11. “skyrocketing divorce rates”

    Why is this a problem? Sure, divorce sucks, but does it suck as much as being stuck in an unwanted marriage for both legal and economic reasons?
    Also lol at “cheating”. Because cheating on partners is such a new phenomenon.

  12. “Feminism should have ended when (…) were able to get into university on merit with equal chance of scholarship and the necessary advertisement, as well as access to non-elected government work again based on merit.”

    When did that happen?

  13. “Congratulations. A site so crappy it has no value even as entertainment”

    Says the entertainment…

  14. Tarnished, if you’re still reading:

    Have you noticed how often people (misogynists particularly) will refer to men, boys, and … females? It’s dehumanising and if people who aren’t misogynists use it, they’re just playing into the notion of women as less than human.

    Male and female should be left as adjectives, not nouns.

  15. Uh, divorce rates aren’t “skyrocketing.” They skyrocketed in the 70s, and have fallen considerably since then. Here’s a chart.

  16. So you’ve made a joke site to make snide fun of mra extremists and fringes instead of providing a forum for meaningful discussion for people who see the skyrocketing divorce rates, cheating, suicides, bad court rulings and general widespread misappropriation of values in society . Congratulations. A site so crappy it has no value even as entertainment, just a zone for otherwise HIGHLY similar people to take adhoc opposing views and flamewar each other

    Funny, it sounds to me like you’re talking about A Voice For Men. This place, on the other hand, is a hoot. I’m sorry you’re so humorless; it must be terrible to be you.

    Feminism should have ended when women were given the vote and were able to get into university on merit with equal chance of scholarship and the necessary advertisement, as well as access to non-elected government work again based on merit. I’m not against legitimate concerns but this incessant and unnecessary female empowerment aka pussy power tantrum ( ala the media, academia and politico, nothing against grassroots movements for a specific issue of real concern to people), being thrown since has got to stop. It highly distorts reality and is now an extremist pov in and of itself.

    And when, exactly, did all this word soup you just puked up happen? Point me to a clear date and a demarcating event so I can mark it on my calendar and celebrate! Oh, wait: you can’t? Quel surprise! Feminism hasn’t ended because sexism hasn’t ended, and MRAs are nothing but sexism-enforcers. I’m sorry you think it’s just a “pussy power tantrum”, but do you really think throwing a dick-waving tantrum is some kind of necessary corrective? Because I can assure you that things have NOT gone too far; they haven’t even gone far enough.

    And if that’s an “extremist pov” to you, too fucking bad. The facts have a feminist bias. DEAL WITH IT.

  17. I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with using “male” and “female” as nouns, but only in the right context, like that of a formal research paper. In informal contexts the usage is dehumanizing in that it connotes some bizarre kind of bio-centrism. And bio-centrism is used to reinforce structures that oppress women.

  18. Re: the word ‘female’

    Generally, the main reason I’ve seen for dislike for this word on this site is that it isn’t used with male (as would be appropriate), but with ‘man’ or ‘boy’. The connotation is that ‘men’ are people but ‘females’ are biological entities (not people).

    Secondly, gender and/or sex mish-mashing (or, conversely, steeply dividing the two) has a lot of semi-triggering effects on people, which can lead to a lot of flamage. Unless you’re planning on discussing that, pick one set (man/woman/people, etc) and stick with it. It may seem boring to you as the writer, but it saves confusion for the reader.

  19. (Thinks)

    Maybe he thinks that universities should place ads in the paper, or on craigslist, to let women know that they accept female students, and that’s what the “necessary advertisement” is?

    Or he could just be a complete dumbass. I’m thinking that may be a more likely explanation.

    Pussy Power Tantrum – radio friendly punk

  20. “word soup you just puked up” is my new favourite quote/phrase ever.

  21. What about women’s access to private sector work and to elected office?

    $10 says he’s opposed to the gubmint stopping private business owners from discriminating.

    Do we have a clever name for MRA Libertarians yet?

    Also lol at “cheating”. Because cheating on partners is such a new phenomenon.

    Yeah, but now you can’t stone your wife for doing it. Misandry!

  22. “Do we have a clever name for MRA Libertarians yet? ”
    Meh, they’re the same thing to me. “Everything to me, and nothing for thee!”, and the rationalizations thereof.

  23. Hello, not manboobz! I suspect this section is not the best place to post my random question (and I’m sorry for the impracticalness of it all), but I thought it would have been worse to comment on one of your articles with something completely unrelated to it. Landed here by chance, I laughed over the Alpha-male tips for lovers and your lovely funny interpolations, and now think you are the right person to go to with this. I was wondering if you’ve heard and what you think of “permutationofninjas”: http://permutationofninjas.org/
    (I’m especially troubled by their take on the evolution of patriarchy and all the pseudo-scientific, historic stuff they pile upon it. Here: http://permutationofninjas.org/post/21543251030/on-patriarchy-and-why-i-dont-believe-in-it
    And here: http://permutationofninjas.org/post/30120518447/on-the-evolution-of-patriarchy-and-why-men-didnt-do

  24. LOL “we hunted the mammoth to feed you ” is hilarious!

  25. Ok Deni, so if you personally can hunt a mammoth to feed me then I think I might just be impressed enough to agree with you.

  26. @Eurgh, shit-testing is misandry ;-)

  27. I have been reading this site for a couple months now and totally love it! I was going to donate to your funds drive but it seems it’s gone now…can i still donate if I don’t have a paypal account? Say with a Visa card? I can’t stand the thought of kittens going hungry…

  28. Gizmo’s Mom, yeah, there’s still a donate button in the sidebar; if you can’t access it on mobile, you can also scroll down to the older entries on the main page and they still have donate buttons. You can donate with a credit card through paypal without signing up for a paypal account.

    And thanks!

  29. I especially love the bit where he grieves over all the men who have fought and died in war — neglecting to mention that historically, it is men who start wars.

  30. Dear David,

    I’m writing an article on the “Men’s Rights” Movement and the Manosphere for a college newspaper. I remembered finding this site sometime back. While I imagine you are fairly busy, I would be interested in doing a skype interview with you about the topic if you were as well. I will understand if you would prefer not to, but as one who exposes these sites I would be interested in what you have to say.

    Sorry to do this publicly…I couldn’t find a “contact me” function, I imagine because you probably get flame mail from MRAs.

  31. Nick Browne, you can contact David at futrelle[at]well[dot]com (replace [at] with @ and [dot] with . ).

  32. Hi David. I like your idea of mocking the “manosphere” as it definitely needs to be mocked. However I wanna ask you why you don’t pick up some stuff from “Return of Kings”. It’s a site full of misgony and general hate against humanity and it’s full of disgusting pricks and evil minds. In my opinion it is alot worse than most of the stuff you blog about from the Reddit red pill sphere.

  33. In response to Steph:

    …and historically excluded women from joining the armed forces to share in defending their nations.

  34. Hi Just Someone!

    He actually has covered a lot of return of kings junk. Check out the tag in the archive!

  35. About citing sources: Sou at the HotWhopper blog uses a service to archive the target web page (climate denial websites in her case). That means you can very visibly provide the link to exactly what you were reading, rather than hiding a link to whatever is present now (particularly useful if your mark decides to modify their page to look less stupid — though MRAs don’t seem to mind). As a bonus, readers don’t end up with MRA sites in their history. Maybe check out that system?

  36. @Everyone who replied to my question

    Thank you for the responses, they really helped. I haven’t heard of bio-centrism before, so I’ll have to Google that part.

    I never use female without also using male…same goes for girl vs guy or man vs woman. For example, I’d never write a post talking about men and females, just as I don’t use the word “boy” when talking about adult men or “girl” when discussing adult women. In cases like those, yes, I can certainly see how they’d be dehumanizing (not to mention stupid sounding).

    As for mish-mashing gender vs sex, that doesn’t really happen on my end. A few commenters might get them confused or use them interchangeably, but as my sex is female and my gender is male, I don’t make that mistake.

    I appreciate everyone’s help with this. Thank you all again.

  37. Here’s a difference between mra’s andlibertarians. MRA’s think that women owe men sex and other service. Libertarians think no one owes anyone anything. Libertarians don’t say all for me, nothing for you, they say everyone keep their own, unless they consent to trade or donate.

  38. *sigh*

    Russia gets “Pussy Riot” and all the US can manage is “Pussy Power Tantrum”. It could be worse, I suppose – I bet fucking Switzerland has to settle for “Pussy Tepid Disagreement”.

  39. RE: Rilian

    Libertarians don’t say all for me, nothing for you, they say everyone keep their own, unless they consent to trade or donate.

    And yet abortion is still something being debated about there.

    RE: Phlebas

    I have no idea what it is you’re trying to say. What on EARTH is a Pussy Power Tantrum supposed to be, besides a riot grrl band?

  40. Libertarians don’t say all for me, nothing for you,

    You’re right. “I’ve got mine, so screw you” would be more accurate.

    they say everyone keep their own, unless they consent to trade or donate.

    Like I said.

    And dude, unless you’re a literal hermit, there’s no such thing as “your own”. Human beings have been dividing their labor and combining the fruits thereof since before we were even homo sapiens. Whether it’s Ug gathering roots while Og builds the fire, or you driving to work on a road someone else built, nobody achieves anything without the aid of others. That’s the glaring flaw in your selfish, ignorant, exploitative ideology.

  41. LBT: I have a friend who’s skeptical and science-minded .. except when it comes to his religion. He refuses to look at argument against it. Similarly, some people fail to apply libertarian principles to everything.

    emilygoddes: Am I supposed to respond politely after you called me selfish, ignorant and exploitative?
    There is too such a thing as my own. My own body and my own labor, at the very least. If there’s no such thing as my own… then goodbye abortion rights, for one.

  42. No, I called your ideology selfish, ignorant and exploitative. I said nothing about you as a person. You might be quite lovely in person, as long as we didn’t talk about politics.

    OK, yes, you own your body and your labor. That’s a fair cop. I’m still not sure how you plan to keep either of those things without assistance from other people, unless you live entirely at subsistence level. By yourself.

  43. I’ve gone to this blog on and off since it was called Manboobz, and I have to say I really like it.

    Now, I’ve done some searching, and you don’t seem to have anything on coconut, also known as thatincelblogger. He’s an incel, as the latter name so helpfully explains.

  44. emilygoddess

    Nestor, I did research on your research, and it turns out thatincelblogger if formerly known as Governments Get Girfriends. I don’t know if he ever got his own posts here, but he did show up for a couple of comment threads and has harassed at least one of the regulars on her Tumblr, so he’s definitely known around here.

    [rest of comment deleted by DF; it contained possible personal information on GGG]

  45. I’m not going to be writing about him here.

  46. Cats are dumb and are already all over the damn internet as it is. We need more dog lovers. Dogs kick ass.

  47. wrong; dogs and cats are both equally cute and neither is dumb ^_^

  48. Can I request emus? They’re majestic creatures.

  49. Hi! I really enjoy your writing. I did not know MRA was a thing until I stumbled across your blog. I was wondering, though, are these MRA guys also supportive of gay rights? I would think they would view gay men as, like, supreme beings, since they are 1.) men, and 2.) not slaves to the poon.

  50. Ooh! I love the new name, and have always wanted a shirt but didn’t really fancy the idea of wearing the old name on my chest. Will the shirts be redesigned with the new name?

  51. I am eternally grateful that you are so willing to wade through the toxic waste site and swamp that is the “Manosphere” to report on the troglodyte lifeforms inhabiting that unhealthy patch of land. It is a dirty job and someone has to do it. Keep hunting those Mammoths and watch out for those tar pits.

  52. I love your site! I found you through that deceiving youtube video about domestic abuse that went viral a few days ago, the one where creative editing (let’s call it that) was used, which you showed on your site. I’m so glad you did, big thumbs up to all of you!

  53. wehuntedthemammoth, same lipstick same pig.

  54. wehuntedthemammoth, same lipstick same pig.

    It would have been funnier if you’d said, “Same lipstick, different pig.” Or “different lipstick, same pig.” Because you would have been making a point that there was only a superficial change, whereas instead you seem to be implying that there was no change — in which case, what is the point of making a comment at all?

    Don’t quit your day job, champ.

  55. Found your blog just yesterday. The mammoth reference struck me instantly as I, being an archaeologist, have had countless entertaining conversations with wide range of I_don’t_know_prehistory_but_Stone_Age people on why women should not pursue a career, and etc.
    I really appreciate both the important topics you address and your mocking style. Thank you and best wishes!

    *Sorry if any bad English, not my native language.

  56. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

    I hope that those scientists can clone mammoths, so that we can hunt them again.

    Like real men!
    ~

  57. > Men gave you this modern world now you take it for granted we hunted the mammoth to feed you

    I agree with it. You did not explain what is wrong with this viewpoint.

  58. It’s laughable. First, you never hunted any mammoth, so you don’t get any credit. Second, women have always made important contributions to civilization, even when men did everything possible to keep us in our “place.” Including gathering and preparing the food, making the clothes, etc. that actually kept people alive. The violence and wars you “protected” women from? The vast majority caused by men. The Holocaust? Men. Finally, we don’t think women are better than men–just not worse. Our contributions are just as vital. Stop trying to belittle them, and we can work as equal partners.

    Or, you know, just fuck off. That works too.

  59. emilygoddess - MOD

    I agree with it. You did not explain what is wrong with this viewpoint.

    That’s because it’s patently absurd to pretty much anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

  60. consumerismkills

    wait, but women hunted mammoths too….paleolific tribes didn’t discriminate by gender .
    check out a book called The Invisible Sex : The Role of Women In Pre-history.

  61. Aww…is someone trying to sleep with a girl in his Introduction to Women’s Studies class?

  62. Dear god, that quote is a disaster, but it did get you an unforgettable blog title.

    We’re on the same page with this, I think. I’ll going to dig around a bit more, but I’m liking what I see here. Vic from Shards of Silence brought me here by linking to you in this post http://shardsofsilence.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/womenagainstfeminism/

    I have a Feminist Friday project running almost every week, if you are interested. The idea is we write a post and try to end it with a discussion prompt. Then we chatter about the topic of the post, share links, etc. Just have a little thread time. It’s been hosted on six blogs so far (a seventh is joining in this week) and has run weekly since March with only two off-weeks.I have an index page for them, which I will happily share with you if you like, and I’m announcing this week’s topic a little after 9 U.S. ET in the morning.

  63. Thank you for the good work, David! Lovely website here.

  64. Keep up the good work David! I am very pleased!

  65. David, thank you so much for being prepared to take on all the truly unspeakable slander and truly scary mentalities thrown at women by the (weirdly-named) manosphere. I keep coming back to your blog because you are one of the very small handful of (intelligent, coherent) humans who give me hope for the human race and make me realise I don’t have to feel alone against all the hatred.

  66. I just happened to stumble upon this site, as it was referred to on a MRA (as you so call it) website. What really concerns me as a guy (or male, or man, or whatever is acceptable to call myself nowadays), is the fact that ‘extremist’ views seem to be espoused everywhere in society, but it is the so-called ‘PC’ sites and blogs that seem to have a monopoly on the term, and then only to use it to point out views contrary to their own. I liken the phenomenon to the change in the use of the word ‘terrorist’. It USED to mean people in some OTHER country, that may want to do harm to us here in America. Now, post 9/11, they are using the term to describe everyone from ‘preppers’ to disobedient/overstimulated children. Generally, anyone who doesnt ‘behave’ or ‘conform’. I fear that there is way too much extremism, EVERYWHERE. Pro-fem, anti-fem, etc, whoever you identify yourself with, lets please not degenerate into careless use of such terms for each other. Seriously. People scare me. I have read enough, and already too much, of the hate on the internet to have much hope left for our society. If people just left other people alone, who just want to live their life, perhaps all this hollow advocacy would finally just fade away. Look in the mirror before you point a finger. Thats all im saying.

  67. This site should be required reading for all 12 to 16 year olds, everywhere. Thanks, David. You’re really inspiring.

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