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MGTOW: Coronavirus will be a huge boon to young people as the old and the “most burdensome” die off

Some MGTOWs see old people as little more than piles of money that should be theirs

By David Futrelle

I‘ve documented, over the years, just how much the so-called Men Going Their Own Way hate women. But it’s worth noting that they also sort of hate everyone else as well, at times sounding as misanthropic and self-obsessed as the worst of the incels. Add the coronavirus to the mix and you end up with something really ugly.

Indeed, while the incels root for the coronavirus to take out Stacies and Chads, some MGTOWs are looking forward to the virus causing widespread deaths among older people. Because older people are “burdensome” and have money the MGTOWs want for themselves.

“Coronavirus could be a golden goose for the younger generation,” one MGTOW Redditor called Dorgdorg happily explained in a recent thread in the MGTOW subreddit.

Coronavirus mostly kills the elderly who as a whole, hold many assets.

This is not a promising start.

[I]f it gets to the US in a big way it’ll cause panic in the short term, but with a sizable percentage (around 15%) of people 70+ suddenly gone we could experience a long term economic boom for the young people who survive.

A booming charnel house. (Not that the virus is likely to kill anywhere near that percentage of any population group.)

As dead people’s assets hit the market Houses and other real estate would be cheaper, cars would be cheaper, less money would be sitting stagnant in retirement accounts and would be in play in the economy, social security could suddenly fix itself, not to mention saving society the incalculable amount dumped into state run retirement homes/ hospice and other end of life costs.

In followup comments, Dorgdorg indicated precisely how many tears he would be shedding over what he expects will be millions of deaths among elderly people: none, none tears.

“Just saying coronavirus happens to target the same groups that are the most burdensome to society.,” he wrote in one comment. In another, he got even darker:

And they have only the worst 10-15 years of their life left it’s not like they’re dying in their prime, they have nothing left to contribute to society and coronavirus would just save everyone the burden by killing them a little before they were going to die anyways

Most people, I imagine, would respond to someone making this sort of argument with some variant on “what the fuck is wrong with you, you fucking ghoul?”

Not so Redddit’s MGTOWs, who gave Dorgdorg’s post several dozen upvotes, with 80% of those voting on the post giving it thumbs up.

While some MGTOWs debated various points of his post in the comments, and a few made clear they thought his speculation was indeed a bit ghoulish, others said they were hoping for a similar outcome themselves. One commenter declared that widespread death among boomers would be “a blessing in disguise.”

“That’s what I’m hoping for,” wrote another.

Still another commenter hoped the pandemic would kill even more than Dorgdorg’s already-exaggerated estimates. “20-30% population erasure would be great,” wrote truthtawker, “it would really create some needed change.”

MGTOWs are really giving the incels a run for their money in the ongoing “worst humans on planet earth” contest.

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KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
7 months ago

Where do these dumbfucks get off, calling other people burdens to society?

magnesium
magnesium
7 months ago

A bunch of dumb, hate-filled, selfish trash babies in that thread have definitely never had to deal with the death of a family member if they think funerals are free. And if you’re American, you’ve still got to pay those hospital bills even if your loved ones don’t survive.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

I thought most MGTOWs were older men. And I don’t believe that MGTOW cooking is the best for the immune system.
These people somehow have gotten it into their heads that they are immune.

@magnesium

And if you’re American, you’ve still got to pay those hospital bills even if your loved ones don’t survive.

Yup, in the land where nothing is free and home of no single payer healthcare.

Moggie
Moggie
7 months ago

Disease is not the cure for capitalism.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Moggie
Plus, these are the same people who oppose wealth taxes and support a free market. Not only is disease not a cure for capitalism, but these men are trying to solve capitalism with more capitalism and social Darwinism, which hasn’t worked before and won’t work now.

Specialffrog
Specialffrog
7 months ago

Is Thanos replacing Bane as the comic book villain bad people on the internet idealize?

epronovost
epronovost
7 months ago

In my opinion many MRAs and others opposition to feminism and hatred of women is not so much due to a personal hatred and disgust toward women, but what feminism (and women in general) represent to their eyes. That is the idea of a fair, kind, cooperative and equal world. These people fear those things because they dream to rule not to share. Feminism is attempting to kill their dream.

otrame
otrame
7 months ago

I wish there was some way to let all their grandparents know what they are writing on the internet.

Tohka
Tohka
7 months ago

They’re always the ones that eagerly look at global crisis with glee because they securely hope for a collapse in society. At least some of them on that sub call these posts out for being ghoulish – because it is. I wonder if it’s posts like these that make some see that the sub is just a morbid depressing cult so they leave

Also they aren’t really helping curb the idea that they’re an evil population control group managed by secret societies that the alt right nazis believe mgtows are.

Kevin
Kevin
7 months ago

Being one of those facing their distaste (pushing sixty, all-but-housebound parkie) I can see why the overlap between Miggies, Incels MRAs and full-on Nazis is growing – as if it wasn’t big enough to start with.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
7 months ago

The pandemic don’t work like that. The society will crumble way before it kill a significant amount of retired people, not to mention the fact most of the dead retired will be of the poor variety.

Even if it *did* work like that, since he ignore all the negative of losing a ton of retired people (like the fact they tend to use their money, support a lot of specific industry, and the fact that having elder relative is useful both for children education and wisdom transmission) mean it still would not help anyone all that much.

About the collapse of society, the figure he give are one where it’s a real problem. There’s like 700.000 bed in american hospitals ; if there is 7.000.000 dead, and probably at the very least half as much other ill people (and probably more like four or five time more ill people), the health system will explode. Anyone with any kind of life threatening condition would have a 90% chance of just being left to die. Not to mention the lack of staff to burn or bury the corpses. And that’s also so dire a problem that a revolution isn’t off the card suddenly.

What annoy me a lot with thoses bozos is that they take any excuses to serve bullshit power fantasy where millions die, and don’t even stop for half a second to think about all the consequences. Killing even 1% of american mean nothing in term of economy, but mean a nation-shattering problem in pretty much any other area because nothing in the system is scaled to get that many dead people at once. The “side” effect they don’t think about will dwarf the main effect in an almost comical fashion, and might likely kill even more people.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Otrame
I’m not sure their grandparents wanted to know. At least, I really wouldn’t if I were one of their relatives.

@Ohlmann

the health system will explode. Anyone with any kind of life threatening condition would have a 90% chance of just being left to die. Not to mention the lack of staff to burn or bury the corpses.

New York actually has a procedure to use prison labor to move bodies if this happens. A procedure created by none other than Michael R. Bloomberg.

Lisa Siebel
Lisa Siebel
7 months ago

Hm..one thing that really bugs me is how much of all this tragedy could be avoided if people just had “usefull stuff to do” I mean, we are basically living the dream of a near-automated society full of leisure and fun — just watch the weird videos on youtube — yet everyone somehow has to work more and produce more and grind more and produce more stuff noone really wants (about jobs).

I believe that this sexual aggression fantasies are largely a product of a human need for connection, deeply rooted homo/queerphobia, a big splash of sexism (which get’s people sorted into men and women and gets “both” genders in lire) and a society where the official dream is to make money and where there is a lot of unregulated market creativity and a two – strata society.

I am personally in awe when two males manage to slowly and carefully remove those barries between each other and start to hang out with one another instead of just being loners. It seems so easy for a lot of us but it’s a huge issue for them and that’s a problem I have with incels too. Sure they sound like monsters and some of them surely are. But until that is proven, words are just words and dirty smut is just dirty smut.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
7 months ago

As always with manospherians, victory goes to the one who stakes out the most hateful position using the most repulsive language.

Stevie Avebury
Stevie Avebury
7 months ago

I think this is just the same hillbilly fantasy my father used to have. The fantasy that the world will somehow fall apart and they will be there to step in and take the lead. They fail to acknowledge that if they had any leadership skills they would be out leading right now instead of whining about how the world doesn’t appreciate them.

IseultTheIdle
IseultTheIdle
7 months ago

Even if he were anywhere near correct in other aspects…. the elderly who are most at risk are those in nursing facilities. Their money has been spent, bucko, sorry to have to tell you that.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
7 months ago

“20-30% population erasure would be great,” wrote truthtawker

Looks like when he went to set up his profile there he misspelled “thanos”.

Catalpa
Catalpa
7 months ago

And if you’re American, you’ve still got to pay those hospital bills even if your loved ones don’t survive.

Wait, what? The fuck? Doesn’t a person’s debt belong to them? I can see the damn vultures taking money out of the estate/life insurance, but they also go after family members?

Scarlet Passmore
Scarlet Passmore
7 months ago

I think you understated the fatality rate of coronavirus a bit. It does indeed have a 15% fatality rate among the sick and elderly, though it is only 1-2% for everyone else. Which, btw, makes it about 10-20 times more deadly than the common flu overall and about 150 times more deadly in the vulnerable.

Here is just one source, though there are others:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-age-older-people-higher-risk-2020-2%3famp

kupo
kupo
7 months ago

And if you’re American, you’ve still got to pay those hospital bills even if your loved ones don’t survive.

IANAL but I’ve experienced the death of a partner with hundreds of thousands of hospital debt and the way it was explained to me his debt was his own and wouldn’t transfer to anyone. They didn’t even make his next of kin (father) pay the remainder of his bank account out towards the debt, though it was maybe a couple hundred dollars, so they might not have seen it as worthwhile to go after. If anyone tells you that you need to pay someone else’s debt, please contact a lawyer.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

@ catalpa

In common law countries you can’t inherit debt. So you can never be made to pay a deceased person’s bills.

However creditors can have first call on the deceased person’s estate.

So they can insist on being paid before any beneficiaries.

Jesalin, Goddess of Lust & Pleasure
Jesalin, Goddess of Lust & Pleasure
7 months ago

They fail to acknowledge that if they had any leadership skills they would be out leading right now instead of whining about how the world doesn’t appreciate them.

Exactly this.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

They fail to acknowledge that if they had any leadership skills they would be out leading right now instead of whining about how the world doesn’t appreciate them.

Please make sure they don’t develop leadership skills. A world run by MGTOWs would be horrible, probably far worse than the current world.

Dalillama
Dalillama
7 months ago

Since the first step in leadership is getting people to like or at least respect you, I suspect we’re safe.

LollyPop
LollyPop
7 months ago

It’s funny how they can think of money “stagnating” in old people’s accounts but can’t extend that logic to wealth-hording billionaires who sit like Smaug on impossible wealth mountains while the world faces unprecedented crisis. Nah, poor old Ron and Doris who’ve paid tax all their lives are a burden and we must cleave their carefully saved pittance into our clammy hands.

Lakitha K Tolbert
Lakitha K Tolbert
7 months ago

Specialffrog:

Yes!
Yes, Thanos is the new wonder villain that all the internet nihilists have decided to champion, now that some of them have gotten older, and have moved past their Joker phase.
Thanos is for the ones who think they’re being deeply intellectual by lauding his philosophies, but are not quite bright enough to know that his philosophy isnt new, and Malthusian in its origins.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Lakitha

Thanos is for the ones who think they’re being deeply intellectual by lauding his philosophies, but are not quite bright enough to know that his philosophy isnt new, and Malthusian in its origins.

It sounds like Petersonites would be into that. They love thinking they are intellectuals but actually completely missing the point and being wrong about everything.

Simon
Simon
7 months ago

@Naglfar

These people somehow have gotten it into their heads that they are immune.

To be fair, if you never leave your foetid basement you probably do cut down your chance of infevtion.

Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
7 months ago

@Lakitha K Tolbert

Not to mention all Thanos’s elaborate justifications were just a thin veneer over a need for power and control over life and death over every other living thing in creation. And just a desire to kill things in general. Not unlike that of the nihilists that think he’s neato keen all of a sudden.

Why else would he go from saying he’s all impartial about which half of the universe gets wiped out, to saying at length how much he’s going to enjoy destroying every trace of Earth’s existence for daring to try and thwart him?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

I like this way of doing health PIFs

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
7 months ago

The thing being, since Thanos unlike Malthus don’t have a strong grasp of what natality is, his plan isn’t any good for its stated goal, since in less than 20 years we would be back to square one. The secondary goal of being as cruel as possible is maximized however.

It’s still somewhat decent storytelling in that explaining any actually working plan to hamper population expansion is very long, not as obviously evil, and probably less evil overall. (compare the chinese one children policy to Thanos plan for example : both are deeply evil, but the chinese one is still more humane, and don’t show how ugly it is immediatly)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 months ago

we could experience a long term economic boom for the young people who survive.

Um, the stock market drop? Which was a direct response to coronavirus? Just ate up a sizable chunk of the retirement portfolios that you flea-infested buzzards are circling?

Source: Person whose parents’ retirement nest egg was decimated by the 2008 crash. (It never fully recovered.)

groups that are the most burdensome to society

“Burdensome”. And what are these guys contributing, exactly, that offsets cheering on mass shootings, and injecting poisonous junk science and nihilism into the impressionable minds of the young people who we’re all supposed to move over and make room for? MGTOWs and their ilk are a net economic drain on society. They’re deadbeats who dump the entire burden of childcare onto women. Their entire raison d’etre is dreaming up schemes to get out of supporting the children they fathered. Every chance they get, they”re amplifying misogyny, helping to ensure that society never gets the full benefit of women’s wisdom and brain power.

I’ll take a warm, caring granny with a heart condition any day over a physically fit Nazi.

Anyway, this potential wealth that they’re all drooling over isn’t going to come to them intact. As magnesium noted, funerals are expensive. Obituaries, estate sales, and house sales all cost money. The surviving spouse frequently has to go into an expensive assisted living situation, which will eat up any remaining assets pretty quickly, even with Medicare and SS. Oustanding debts and mortgages have to be paid off. By the time the various lawyers, doctors, and institutions get their share, most of it will be gone. If they have siblings, or other people who will be sharing in the estate, it will get even further subdivided. And if the inheritance is in an IRA w/o basis, and they want it as a lump sum, they’ll have to pay a sizeable income tax on the proceeds.

Good lord, these vultures are so freaking stupid. In addition to being chapter 11 morally bankrupt, of course. No amount of boomer carrion is gonna fix that.

Allandrel
Allandrel
7 months ago

The thing that a lot of people don’t get about Thanos (the movie version) is that all of his talk of saving the universe through balance is a rationalization. He doesn’t actually want to prevent a Malthusian crisis. He wants to prove that he was RIGHT. That his plan would have saved Titan if they had just LISTENED to him.

That’s why he never even considers changing his plan when the Infinity Stones come up as an option. If he does ANYTHING other than cull the population by 50%, that means admitting that his plan would not have worked. That he could not have saved Titan, and that his culling campaign since has been pointless bloodshed, and that he is nothing but a monster. He won’t admit this, of course, even to himself, hence all his posturing.

The fact that he expects the universe to be “grateful” is the tell that it is really all about his ego. And thus 2014-Thanos’ rage when he discovers that 2018-Thanos succeeded and the universe WASN’T grateful, and his decision to destroy and rebuild the universe into one that properly recognized his greatness and rightness.

No wonder the manosphere looks up to him.

Star Vogel
Star Vogel
7 months ago

And they just can’t understand why their sub got quarantined.

Lakitha K Tolbert
Lakitha K Tolbert
7 months ago

To: Bananananana dakry
and Allandrel

The fact that he expects the universe to be “grateful” is the tell that it is really all about his ego.
This, exactly!!!

Another tell for me was that he did not count himself among those needing to be culled. After all, he is existing in the universe, too, and using its resources for what, exactly? But the major thing that most convinces me of your opinion, wasn’t so much him wanting to worshiped for what he’d done, but that he didn’t kill himself afterward.

At no point did he consider sacrificing his own life, just everyone’ else’s, a nice contrast to Tony Stark, and several other father figures n the MCU who were wiling to die to achieve their goals, or save their kids.

All of the incredible self sacrificng and beautiful heroes available throughout the entirety of the MCU, and they pick Thanos, a villain whose philosophy isnt half as well thought out, as any of the villains seen in most of these types of movies, like Heath Ledger’s Joker, or Black Panther’s Killmonger.

The lauding of Thanos (especially with no historical context behind it) tells me just about all I need to know about a guy.

Full Metal Ox
7 months ago

And this just in via Emily Feng at NPR (http://twitter.com/EmilyZFeng/status/1235016543211118595); testimony from a Wuhan, China resident whose face is being gnawed off by the leopards:

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/03/809965742/personal-essay-from-wuhan-living-in-hell

numerobis
numerobis
7 months ago

The death rate among sick boomers could easily be about 15% like it was in Hubei for that age group. And in the absence of an organized response, most people would get sick. So it’s not an outlandish figure.

Most people see it as a horrifying figure, a good reason to mount a strong response to the disease, and make sure most people *don’t* get sick.

The fear I have is that the US will go the way Iran did and have an ineffectual response until it’s spread nationwide already.

Bob
Bob
6 months ago

I can’t believe the levels of hate on this site. It’s deeply disturbing.