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Incels are mad that Joaquin Phoenix didn’t stand up for “incel rights” in his Oscar acceptance speech

Joaquin Phoenix: Possibly a Chad?

By David Futrelle

Joaquin Phoenix’s speech at last night’s Oscars was as weird as the man himself. Phoenix, who won Best Actor for his work at the titular character in Joker, delivered up a rambling monologue that touched on human selfishness, so-called “cancel culture,” and the many forms of human bigotry. He also threw in a plug for … cows? “We feel entitled to artificially inseminate a cow and steal her baby, even though her cries of anguish are unmistakable,” he declared. “Then we take her milk that’s intended for her calf and we put it in our coffee and our cereal.”

One thing he didn’t mention in his speech? The incels who see his character in Joker as a sort of incel hero, a second coming of Elliot Rodger.

And they’re pretty peeved about it. On the Incels.co forums, a prolific commenter called FidelCashFlow laid out his complaint:

[RageFuel] Why did Joaquin Phoenix not talk about incel rights at his oscar speech?
 Thread starter FidelCashflow  
Inceldom Discussion

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Yesterday at 10:12 PM
#1
Wtf is wrong with this faggot. He got up there and talked some bullshit about how taking milk from cows is evil and humans shouldnt act like we are at the top of the food chain.
This retard couldnt take 5 seconds out of that boring ass nonsensical speech to talk about incel rights, the one group that supported his movie through thick and thin.
That's it, Joaquin Phoenix is cancelled

In a followup comment, Mr. CashFlow elaborated on his basic critique:

I atleast expected him to talk about the downtrodden and how you shouldnt push someone down when they are already depressed or bad results are bound to happen.

But no, instead of mentioning something that would be in line with the plot of the movie, he instead talks about muh animal rights

Most of the other commenters agreed with his basic complaint, with one especially edgy incel asking “[w]hy didn’t he just go ER [Elliot Rodger] right then and there? Fucking cuck.”

“Normies care more about how cows and pigs are treated than how you are treated” complained another.

“When he started talking about animal rights like some soyboy I got pretty pissed off,” reported still another commenter..

Literally no mention of the people he’s repersenting in the movie, he cares more about animals than incels.

It didn’t take long for some of the Incels.co regulars to blame the (((Jews))) for Phoenix’s speech not being some sort of incel rant.

Every last one of these Hollywood scumbags knows where their bread is buttered and (((who))) butters it.

They won’t say or do anything that goes against the Jewish agenda out of fear that they’ll never work in Jew Hollywood ever again.

Joker though a great movie was simply another way of victimizing people like us via the cynical old Jew cash grab of the goyim.

Taking a slightly different tack, one commenter put the blame instead on Big Soy, declaring that Phoenix had to avoid talking about incels because otherwise “the soys will attack him.”

A few of the slightly more reality-based incels pointed out that there is a difference between an actor and a character, and that the Joker movie isn’t actually the incel manifesto that some incels imagine it to be.

This being Incels.co, they were mostly ignored.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

I haven’t seen the movie, but wasn’t the point to mock incels?

the one group that supported his movie through thick and thin

That’s a bit of an about face, seeing as mere months ago incels were threatening to shoot up theaters showing this movie. I wonder what triggered the sudden change? I’m guessing they just needed something new to be mad about. The alt-right’s memory span is very short, as usual.

he cares more about animals than incels

Not to start another argument, but I’d rather hear about and support animal rights than more rights for privileged white men who aren’t getting laid as much as they’d like and demand the right to rape women.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
11 months ago

knows where their bread is buttered

Silly incel; obviously Joaquin couldn’t be bribed with butter!

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 months ago

I have to wonder why they believed Phoenix would care about them in the first place. He probably saw it as just another role he had to play, and almost certainly had no idea how the incels would adopt his version of the Joker as one of their own. Or that incels were a thing that existed at that matter- they’re not nearly as well-known of a group as they think.

Moggie
Moggie
11 months ago

They think the Joker was a hero?

otrame
otrame
11 months ago

I admit I am curious. What. exactly. are “incel rights”?

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 months ago

@otrame
The right for them to have all their desires granted without having to do anything themselves to do so, of course.

Moggie
Moggie
11 months ago

@Anonymous:

The right for them to have all their desires granted without having to do anything themselves to do so, of course.

Overriding other people’s rights in the process. This is a feature, not a bug.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@otrame

I admit I am curious. What. exactly. are “incel rights”?

It sounds like they’re trying to pretend to be an oppressed minority again. Like that time that they tried to claim the “I” in LGBTQIPA+ stood for incels (it actually stands for intersex).

Nequam
Nequam
11 months ago

I wonder if their tears of impotent rage taste crisp and refreshing.

Problem is, I can’t imagine getting close enough to an incel to obtain a sample.

Mitch
Mitch
11 months ago

Actually I think Phoenix’s weird segue into animals rights, especially with the graphic imagery, was perfectly keeping with the film trolling and mocking of people with sincere concerns.

I really don’t understand how anyone can see this lefty critique of Reaganomics/Neoliberalism in that film that has cropped up again and again in its defense.

Crip Dyke
11 months ago

I’m with Otrame: I’d love to see David come up with a list of “rights” that incels believe that the government and/or society should guarantee to them but which aren’t part of existing legal/social guarantees.

Obvs they talk about thinks like the redistribution of sex and there’s probably a “right” for men to get laid somewhere in their ideology. Beyond that, however, I’m not sure what rights they’ve ever advocated, and thus you never get to “rights [PLURAL]” just by citing that.

So what is this list of incel rights they advocate?

Ann K
Ann K
11 months ago

Apparently the meaning of the word “actor” escapes them.

Karen
Karen
11 months ago

@Moggie

They think the Joker was a hero?

They absolutely do.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Ann K

Apparently the meaning of the word “actor” escapes them.

They seem to have a bigger problem differentiating reality and fiction in general. This is just a symptom of that.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
11 months ago

outtake wrote:

I admit I am curious. What. exactly. are “incel rights”?

I believe those would be, in order of importance:

1) the right to an underage (15-17), white, blonde, HB8+ virgin girlfriend who will worship him, clean and cook for him, and have sex with him whenever and however he wants;

2) extensive sympathy from the rest of the population for their poor, put-upon selves, who have never been anything but supreme gentlemen to everyone around them;

3) that the government fund plastic surgery for them, so that they can “correct” the infinitesimally minute “imperfections” that have been holding them back their whole lives (but no therapy to deal with their obvious anger and entitlement issues and often depression, because those couldn’t possibly be a problem and shrinks are for soyboys);

4) free money from the government, with most also demanding that no free money be given to anyone else, especially women and minorities; and

5) absolute control over all of time and space.

…I may have made a few of those up, but more than half are essentially what a lot of them say they want.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Gaebolga

1) the right to an underage (15-17), white, blonde, HB8+ virgin girlfriend who will worship him, clean and cook for him, and have sex with him whenever and however he wants;

There’s no way they’d be satisfied with just a HB8, they demand a HB10 Stacy. And she’d better fuck like a porn star despite being a virgin.

Lainy
Lainy
11 months ago

They aren’t wrong though. I care more about 3 cent rise in gas cost way more then I care about anything an incel has to say.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Moggie
CHUDs love comic book villains. First they embraced Bane, then Thanos, now Joker. I think they dropped Bane when they found out that Tom Hardy is on team “SJW.” Now that Phoenix has disappointed them too, they’ll have to find something else destructive to admire. Maybe the rampaging dinosaurs in the next Jurassic World movie (if one’s in the works.)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I really don’t know why they thought Joaquin Phoenix would be one of them. He’s from an entertainment family that seems hippiesh and is married to an actress who was wealthy from birth. Doesn’t seem like a recipe for incel to me.

Todd Phillips on the other hand…

Tyko
Tyko
11 months ago

They think they’re the only ones who have always supported this film? Sure, Jan.

Most people don’t know what an incel is, even if they’ve heard the word.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
11 months ago

As Joker is pretty much a mash-up of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy you’d think they’d have identified with Travis Bickle or Rupert Pupkin before now.

varalys the dark
11 months ago

They don’t know much about him.. He’s been a vegan and animal rights activist for a long time, narrating two films (Earthlings and Dominion) which are about human cruelty to animals in the meat, dairy and fur trades. He’s even attended vigils for animals about to be slaughtered still wearing his tuxedo from an awards show. I think it’s damn awesome what he did in his speech and incels can get fucked.

Lainy
Lainy
11 months ago

@varalys the dark

Yeah it’s not hard to respect a man who takes a stand to try and end pain for other living things that aren’t human. To me he seems like that will smith meme ” he’s a little confused but he’s got spirit”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
11 months ago

I’m not sure it’s fair to call the speech ‘rambling’; it seemed pretty coherent to me. And it was great to see someone using a platform for good.

But I love how this pic sums everything up. Oscar on floor, tucking into vegan burgers.

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LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
11 months ago

He’s from an entertainment family that seems hippiesh

He’s from a family that belonged to the Children of God cult and his parents were pushing their kids into show business from far too young an age.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@WWTH

they’ll have to find something else destructive to admire.

There’s sadly no shortage of destructive and violent people and things in this world. They’ll find something.

Bina
11 months ago

“[w]hy didn’t he just go ER [Elliot Rodger] right then and there? Fucking cuck.”

Because, bozo, he’s an actor who’s making a decent living off his art, not a fashy wanker who lives in a toilet and whines about how nobody wants his pimply ass (that he can’t be arsed to get off of for love OR money).

Every last one of these Hollywood scumbags knows where their bread is buttered and (((who))) butters it.

Stunning perspicacity! I can’t imagine why you’re unloved. Couldn’t possibly be because you’re hateful, could it now?

the soys will attack him

Yeah, that must be it. Schrödinger’s Soyboy, simultaneously too weak to be a real man, and too strong for these guys and their brittle wrists.

These guys are so pathetic, they don’t even deserve a womp-womp. But I’ll give it to them anyway:

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
11 months ago

Here’s something odd. I found a recording of Trump’s SOTU speech on Youtube and it’s dated 2014. Spooky!

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Bina

Couldn’t possibly be because you’re hateful, could it now?

Oh no, definitely it’s their canthal tilt and tiny wrists.

Schrödinger’s Soyboy, simultaneously too weak to be a real man, and too strong for these guys and their brittle wrists.

This seems fairly common among fascists of all stripes, this idea that the enemy is both weak but also strong enough to destroy civilization. One of the many contradictions of the ideology.

Bina
11 months ago

@Naglfar:

This seems fairly common among fascists of all stripes, this idea that the enemy is both weak but also strong enough to destroy civilization. One of the many contradictions of the ideology.

Yup.

And then they wonder why we laugh at them, and why we won’t take their “concerns” seriously. On the day any of them learn to string together a coherent world-view that’s based in facts rather than figments, THEN we can talk. Until then, there is nothing to do but laugh and point.

Viscaria
Viscaria
11 months ago

he instead talks about muh animal rights

“Muh” is supposed to be a whiny pronunciation of “my.” You all use it when you’re making fun of other people who want rights for themselves because you don’t think other people deserve rights because you’re a bunch of entitled rageboys. Using it in this case, where Phoenix, a human, is advocating for the rights of non-human animals, doesn’t make any sense.

I don’t know why this bothers me, but it very much does.

personalpest
personalpest
11 months ago

Remember when the alt-right thought Taylor Swift was one of them? Remember the tantrums they threw when she rejected them? They haven’t learned a damn thing, have they?

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@personalpest

They haven’t learned a damn thing, have they?

Of course not. If they ever learned, they’d realize fascism is a really bad idea and quit.
The alt-right also seems to have a very short collective memory. This is probably somewhat advantageous for their leaders, who can use this to keep moving goalposts and changing ideology and then say it was always that way. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia, amirite?

personalpest
personalpest
11 months ago

@naglfar

If they ever learned, they’d realize fascism is a really bad idea and quit.

Not only that, maybe they’d start thinking like this: “If I’m superior to everyone who isn’t a straight Christian white guy, then why am l so helpless and miserable? Maybe I’ve been the problem all along.”

Karalora
Karalora
11 months ago

Maybe the rampaging dinosaurs in the next Jurassic World movie

Not a chance. They’re all genetically female. Some of them used their frog DNA to turn male so they could form a breeding population, but that just proves how hostile to incels they are, that they’d rather shapeshift and fuck each other than give some poor incel dino with negative coelcanthal tilt a chance.

Dalillama
Dalillama
11 months ago

@Alan

As Joker is pretty much a mash-up of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy you’d think they’d have identified with Travis Bickle or Rupert Pupkin before now.

That would require them to have knowledge of culture older than themselves, (in most cases) or at least older than their coherent memories. Which would require some sense of history, which these clowns haven’t got. I’m surprised they can manage object permanence tbh.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
11 months ago

I don’t know anything about Joker, but recently I reread (after many years) the scifi classic “Flowers for Algernon” and thought, “Holy fuck, incels would so misinterpret Charlie Gordon’s sexual issues”.

Kevin
Kevin
11 months ago

@ Karalora

‘coelcanthal tilt.’ Excellent.

M K
M K
11 months ago

“I really don’t understand how anyone can see this lefty critique of Reaganomics/Neoliberalism in that film that has cropped up again and again in its defense.”

Because… it’s about a mentally ill/brain-damaged man with a shit job who loses access to his mental health services *explicitly* due to budget cuts, gets tormented by some rich people, and ends up blowing a rich man’s brains out on TV and starting a populist mob/revolt? So…the class issues are pretty clear.

I mean, you can argue it’s not done well enough or is muddled or something (personally I liked most of it), but it’s not exactly a hard reading of the movie to support.

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“…recently I reread (after many years) the scifi classic ‘Flowers for Algernon’ and thought, ‘Holy fuck, incels would so misinterpret Charlie Gordon’s sexual issues’.”

@Lumipuna, you’re absolutely right, incels would misread that story as being about them/about “Stacies” and “Chads” mistreating/overlooking them.

Which, between that and the reaction to “Joker,” suggests a potential tendency of incels (and disaffected young white guys in general) to take stories that are either explicitly or implicitly about disability (or at least where disability is a heavy factor), and make it about Being Disaffected and Not Having Enough Sex because of the Matriarchy instead. (I think similar groups of young [white] men did the same with “Fight Club,” and “Catcher in the Rye” before that, whose protagonists are both implied to have delusions/to be unreliable narrators.)

Twan
Twan
11 months ago

You people need to get a life 1 person views does not speak for an entire group half the people here don even know anything about incels

BradMoonRising
BradMoonRising
11 months ago

@M K– Exactly! These guys are like the canonical example of what Emily Nussbaum calls “bad fans” — people who like Watchmen because of Rorschach, All in the Family because of Archie Bunker, etc. It’s like they’re willfully missing the point of well-written, but morally bad characters.

LollyPop
LollyPop
11 months ago

I thought watching Joker that (trying carefully to avoid spoilers here) that the way the film frames Joker’s interactions with the woman he desires was a really clear rejection of incel ideology – a lot more so than lots of “alienated man” films.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
11 months ago

@BradMoonRising

people who like Watchmen because of Rorschach

I think it is the greatest fantasy of many incels: This city is afraid of me. I’ve seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over all the vermin will drown. All those liberals, and intellectuals and smooth talkers. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll look down, and whisper “No.”

Edited for even more incellery, but point out what I did off the top of your head… I mean, it’s not surprising incels like Watchman for Rorschach.

occasional reader
occasional reader
11 months ago

What. exactly. are “incel rights”?

The opposite of incel wrongs ? We are yet to find one.

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
11 months ago

@Big Titty Demon
I had to google to be sure. It sure sounds like something he would say.

Crip Dyke
11 months ago

Thanks, Gaebolga.

I couldn’t come up with more than #1, but after you mentioned them I do remember the coverage of plastic surgery and tax/welfare arguments. Your #2 is more than justified by the typically-not-explicit implications of their other points.

#5 is a not unreasonable extension. 🙂

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
11 months ago

@ Bina:

On the day any of them learn to string together a coherent world-view that’s based in facts rather than figments,

Sorry, that is outdated “Age of Reason” stuff. Not applicable to the Time of trump….

Katamount
Katamount
11 months ago

Gonna say from Jump Street I have not seen Joker, nor will I endeavour to see it (I . But it’s a telling indictment of the film’s narrative framing that anybody believed that it was an paean to the downtrodden incel if it was not meant to be. They clearly thought the movie (and by proxy, those who approved of the movie enough to star in it) was “on their side.”

In a decent world, that would give Todd Phillips pause.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Katamount

But it’s a telling indictment of the film’s narrative framing that anybody believed that it was an paean to the downtrodden incel if it was not meant to be. They clearly thought the movie (and by proxy, those who approved of the movie enough to star in it) was “on their side.”

Though to be fair, incels will find a way to spin any story to fit their narrative. You could show them any movie ever and they’d be able to twist it in their minds. It’s a specialty of the far right.

Katamount
Katamount
11 months ago

@Naglfar

Though to be fair, incels will find a way to spin any story to fit their narrative.

Naturally, but I think that potential does have its limits, particularly when it comes to the POV character. These guys require themselves to be the hero of their own story; if they’re the antagonist (or arguably worse, the deuteragonist), then they’ll consider themselves wronged in some capacity (particularly if the protagonist is a woman of colour).